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The Gospel of Thomas

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I'm a big fan of the Gospel of Thomas and of all the "Gnostic" gospels I've read so far. The Gospel of Mary Magdalene is another fav of mine. Of course, I'm an esoteric Christian Thelemite....so I'm a bit odd to start with. ;)

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I'm sorry, but this phrase

GoT 55: Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot be a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

shows me that this is not God inspired.
 
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Lpe04 said:
I'm sorry, but this phrase

GoT 55: Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot be a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

shows me that this is not God inspired.
Not to defend the gospel of Thomas, but...

Check out Luke 14:26. Then look at Matthew 10:37-38. They all mean that one should not value one's own family - or even one's own life - more than the chance to be a disciple of Jesus.
 
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55. Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

Can you accept that the Son of Love tells us we must hate our parents? This saying has the support of the New Testament even if it sounds a little harsh to the natural minds that try to understand it. However, the spiritually minded know exactly what Jesus is talking about. He is saying that we must hate what is false and love what is true. What the Sons of God have come to realize is that this false world cannot make them happy or bring them peace. Because of their divine nature coming to be, they seek perfection especially in themselves.

As Jesus teaches here and in the New Testament, salvation comes when we prove ourselves WORTHY to accept it. Yes, Jesus says forsake everything but God’s will; carry the cross; and THEN you will be worthy of Christ’s salvation and glory. This is how the mature Sons of God will inherit their power and glory from God. Even Jesus himself didn’t get his spiritual prowess until AFTER he had proven to God that he was ready. He was tested, tempted and tried in this world before he graduated to the next. In Hebrews, we read that he was perfected (Hebrews 5:7-10) through suffering and obedience. Then once he was divinely qualified, God told the world, in more ways than one, that He was well pleased with His mature Son. From that moment on Jesus was the embodiment of Christ and was given the keys to the Kingdom.

We too are called to rise up above the earth and its ways into the life of Christ! We are called to forsake the creation for the sake of the Creator who is our Father! Can a man have two fathers? Can a man carry out the will of two different fathers? We are born into a world of duality, so we must make a choice what is real and what is false. In a sense, we can use hate to bring about love. In Luke 14:26 Christ said we must even hate our own life before we can follow Him. So by hating our earthly father, we can better love our heavenly Father. Understand that our earthly father is a false image, a deception because this man isn’t our true father. While he may be the father of your flesh, know that God is your true Father because you are spirit.

Similarly, Jesus told us that anyone who does God’s will is his brother, sister, mother and so on. All are from God who is called the Father. Aside from this, we are all family and one when we return to God in the spirit. This is why Jesus says we must hate and forsake these false images of the world because they deceive us and divide us. We fight because we are different, but we are not different in Christ. The devil is a legion, but Christ in One. We must return to that state of oneness with God through Christ. This is what life is for and is also more evidence to support reincarnation as God’s way to get us through this world. We are not flesh! And those you may call “mother” and “father” are also not flesh! This is a lie of the natural mind. You see; there is only one SPIRIT in ONE family- God’s family.

from my commentary on the Gospel of Thomas
 
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muffler dragon said:
Mark:

Thank you for these pieces of information. I had read something similar (as an aside) in a book by Hyam Maccoby. You've helped me understand that it wasn't some unsubstantiated claim.

Does the book ask about when a question of authorship for these books arose? Was the authorship under question prior to the decision of canonicity?

In the case of 1 & 2 Thessalonians he argues that 2 Thess was written to conteract and correct who ever wrote 1 Thess!
He also argues, with much back up, that through the (post Canon understanding of) heretics that as these "heretics" used various 1st and early 2nd cent. writings so the (so called) orthodoxy Christians then labelled some of these writings as heretical. Then the arguement developed.
There were other books that some wanted in but didn't make it and some that made it but many didn't!
 
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61. Jesus said, "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live." Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone." Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father." "I am your disciple." "For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."

This passage is similar to Luke 17:30-36 where two are in bed and only one is taken. Interestingly, Jesus also goes on to speak of the carcass (dead body) in the Gospel of Luke as well. Many Christians believe that the N.T. passage is referring to a physical rapture, or taking away, of the “true believers” from the world into heaven. Yet do some believe that heaven and the Kingdom of God are physical places that we must go to? Jesus was in heaven while walking the earth. The Kingdom of God was here because Christ was here. Even today, the Kingdom remains within us. We must go into our spirit to find Christ and His Kingdom. The true rapture is when your spirit takes your soul into the Kingdom! Only a spirit mature and qualified can accomplish this feat. Our rapture is of the spirit and not of the flesh. In fact, this is supported by Thomas:61 where Jesus says nothing about them being taken way, but rather he says that one lives and the other dies. This is the real key to understanding this passage. Every human being has two different natures/identities- one must live and the other must die.

Jesus again goes very deep in this particular saying. He says, “I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father. For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness.” This notion of TWO becoming ONE is fairly common in the Gospel of Thomas, but it is not as apparent in the New Testament. However, even in the other Gospels, there are some clues left behind by Jesus to help us understand this duality. For example, Jesus taught us to address God as our Father when we pray. Yet, he also criticized the Pharisees calling them sons of hell and stating that the devil was their father. Did they have TWO fathers? Yes, the duality of this world divides us, but the love of Christ unites us.

Now, the person called “Salome” is believed to be a woman to whom Jesus is speaking. Jesus explains to her that he (Christ) is the ONE who is whole. In fact, Christ Jesus says, “I AM the ONE.” Man has two natures and therefore has a decision to make. He must either continue to live as flesh and die, or live as spirit and live. Do we trust that God is our Father and that we are His children? Paul made it clear that we must live according to the spirit and not the flesh. Our natural self (flesh) will die, but our supernatural self (spirit) will live. Jesus goes on to say that if we are whole (living in Christ) and not divided (double-minded), we will be filled with light, which is the glory of God. One day each of us will finally see our old self as crucified, so our new resurrected self can live for God.
 
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Re saying #55
It also links with saying #16 with the "peace or sword..". and #101 which is very similar to # 55!
The "Q" Gospel links of Luke 14:25-26 = Matt 10:37

If one can read these passages and then can follow this summary taken from a book called "The Birth of Christianity" by John Dominic Crossan.

Q Gospel has different family members.
Matthew has 2 sets of kinsfolk.
Luke has 3 sets of kinsfolk.

In the Gospel of Thomas there are 2 seperate versions (# 55 & 102)

"Rural commercialisation dislocates peasant life and greatly weakens the peasant family itself so that it can no longer protect its members as it breaks into isolated individuals each seeking their own survival. Jesus is not speaking to the well off, (Much of his previous chapters give time and evidence to this) advising them to give up their possessions - advocating asceticism, in effect. He is speaking especially to dispossessed peasants seeking to restore their dignity and security in the name of God. In the same way, he is not speaking primarily to strong peasant families and trying to break them apart for or against himself. he is speaking especially to those whose family has failed and is substituting for that lost grouping an alternative one, the companionship of the kingdom of God. ....(T)herefore, is that Jesus and his first companions were not destroying families who were viable but replacing families who were not." (p 324-5)

These passages have troubled me for years and, until now, I have not found anything that truly answers my questions about it. This quote from Crossan's book above does that for me.

It is certainly his "heaviest" book that I have read of his and I will probably take more time later and read it more fully.

 
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