The Gospel In Creation

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We read this excerpt of EJ Waggoners today during study. I would like to present it here for the brethren to be blessed by it. It speaks to the deeper meaning and worship on Sabbath....enjoy!!

• The Gospel in Creation by E.J. Waggoner

The Seventh Day: Resting with the LORD
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made (Genesis 2:1-3).

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it (Exodus 20:8-11).

This is the grand summary of creation, and the account of the celebration of it. The days of creation are sufficiently designated by being numbered, but the day that celebrates creation complete is honored by having a name. The name of the seventh day is Sabbath. Thus a double purpose is served. By the naming of the seventh day it is distinguished from all other days, and by the numbering of the others without naming them, the fact that the Sabbath is a definitely-recurring day is made prominent. But the text tells its own story as to the day which is the Sabbath; and it is one of the sure commandments of God, which stand fast forever and ever (Psalm 111:8). What we are to do here is to call attention to the spiritual lessons to be learned from the giving of the Sabbath to man.

Christ, as we well know, is the great Creator. He is the wisdom of God and the power of God. “For by Him were all things created, that are in the heavens and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him; and He is before all things, and by Him all consist. (Colossians 1:16, 17). All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3. When the record says that in six days God made the heavens and the earth, it means God in Christ, for Christ is the only manifestation of God that is known to men.

Therefore, also, we know that it must have been Christ who rested upon the seventh day, after completing the work of creation, and that it was Christ who blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. Thus the Sabbath day is in an emphatic sense the Lord's day.
Why was the Sabbath made? The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27. It is for him, in the sense that it is not against him. It is not an arbitrary thing imposed upon man--something for him to keep simply because God says so--but something that is given him for his help. It is a blessing that God has bestowed upon him. It is given among us all things that pertain unto life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3), which His divine power has given unto us.

Why was the sabbath given? The Lord, through the prophet, gives the answer in these words: And hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God (Ezekiel 20:20). Mark, it is a sign by which the people are to know God. Therefore there is no room for the supposition that the Sabbath was simply for the purpose of distinguishing the Jews from other people. It was made before the Jews had any existence. It was that they might know God; and that which would serve to make them know God would serve the same purpose for all other people. It was given to Adam in the beginning for the same purpose--that he might know and remember God.

But how would the Sabbath be a sign that men might know God? The answer to this is found in the Epistle to the Romans: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from [or, ever since] the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Romans 1:19, 20). We have only to recall some of the things noted in the preceding pages to see how God is known by His works.

Yet again the question comes, How does the Sabbath make us know the true God? Why, we have just read that the eternal power and Godhead of the Creator are seen from the things that He has made; and the Sabbath is the great memorial of creation. The Lord rested upon the seventh day, after the six days of creation, and he blessed and sanctified the day, because that in it He had rested from all His work. So we read, “The works of the Lord are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein. His work is honorable and glorious; and His righteousness endureth forever. He hath made His wonderful works to be remembered: the Lord is gracious and full of compassion. Psalm 111:2-4. Some versions give, more literally, He hath made a memorial for His wonderful works.

The one thing necessary for man to learn in this life is God. The poet may tell us that the proper study of mankind is man; but the Lord tells us that the proper study of mankind is God. Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth Me, that I am the Lord which exercise loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth; for in this things I delight, saith the Lord (Jeremiah 9:23, 24). Knowing Him, we have all that is worth knowing, for He is the truth, and all the truth. Jesus Christ is the wisdom of God, and in Him are contained all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3).

The Sabbath is for the purpose of keeping in mind the creative power of God, which is His distinguishing characteristic. But creative power is the power of the gospel, so that that which celebrates creation also celebrates redemption. Christ is the Redeemer, because in Him were all things created. He bestows the grace of God to men by His creative power. The power that saves men is the power that created the heavens and the earth. So when the psalmist says that the Lord has made a memorial for His wonderful works, he immediately adds, The Lord is gracious and full of compassion. In Christ the grace of the Father is revealed. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth. John 1:14. He imparts His grace, which affords help in time of need, by the same mysterious and mighty power by which He created the earth; by the same power by which the sun's rays impart life to the plants on the earth.

Note how inseparably Christ is connected with the Sabbath. It is by Him that all things were created, and that they all are upheld. But the works of God reveal His eternal power and Godhead; and Christ is the power of God and in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Therefore the works of creation show the power and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Sabbath is the great memorial of the wonderful works of God in Christ, and so it is the great sign of the divinity of Christ. To keep the Sabbath as God appointed it at creation is to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Just to the extent that one fails to keep the Sabbath of the Lord in spirit and in truth, does he fail to recognize the divinity of Christ and to receive the benefit that comes from the fact of His divinity.

This is indicated in the words of Christ to the Pharisees who unjustly accused Him and His disciples of breaking the Sabbath, because they satisfied their hunger on that day, and because He healed a man on the Sabbath. Said He, For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Matthew 12:8. It is no small thing that He is Lord of the Sabbath day. To be Lord of the Sabbath day means that He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth--that He is Lord of all.

 

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Cont.

There is a special blessing connected with the Sabbath. It is true that very many who profess to keep the Sabbath do not receive that blessing; but that is because they do not really know of it. The statement of the Scripture is that God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it. He blessed the day. There is no day of the week when men may not be blessed by the Lord. Indeed, both good and bad are alike the subjects of the blessings of God every day. Not only so, but those who seek the Lord may find special blessings at any time. The Lord is always near at hand and is always ready to bless, but there is a blessing that goes with the Sabbath day that cannot be found anywhere else. It is the Sabbath blessing. God has put His blessing upon the Sabbath, and the Sabbath blessing goes only with the Sabbath. Nobody can find a thing where it is not. The Sabbath blessing has not been placed upon any day except the seventh; therefore it cannot be found anywhere else.

What is this blessing for? It is for the same purpose that all the blessings of God are given. Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities (Acts 3:26). God blesses men, not because they are good, but in order that they may become good. All His blessings are for the purpose of turning them away from sin to Himself. If men do know the Lord, then the blessings that He bestows are for the purpose of drawing them still closer to Him. So it is with the Sabbath. It is to turn men to God, by reminding them of His goodness and of His gracious power. The power of creation is the power of Christ. Christ is of God, made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption. The power by which He gives us these things is the power by which He created the worlds. Therefore we find a deeper meaning in the words of the Lord, Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them (Ezekiel 20:12). The blessing of the Sabbath is the blessing of sanctification. As the Sabbath is the memorial of God's creation, so is it to make known to us the power of God, to make us entirely new creatures in Christ.

SABBATH REST: The word Sabbath means rest. It is the un-translated Hebrew word signifying rest. So where we read, The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, it is the same as though it read, The seventh day is the rest of the Lord thy God. That this is so will be plain to any one who recalls the statement that on the seventh day God rested from all His works which He had made.

Now let it be remembered that it is the Sabbath of the Lord that we are called upon to keep. In these days we hear such terms as The Jewish Sabbath, The Continental Sabbath, The Puritan Sabbath, The American Sabbath, The Christians' Sabbath, etc., but the only Sabbath that the Bible tells of is The Sabbath of the Lord thy God. Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep (Exodus 31:13). The Lord speaks of the Sabbath as My holy day (Isaiah 58:13). Therefore it is the Lord's rest that we are to keep. Not merely are we to abstain from our own work on the day on which the Lord rested, but we are to keep His rest. What does this mean? Let us see.

The Saviour tells us that God is a Spirit (John 4:24). More exact is the marginal reading of the Revised Version: God is Spirit. He is not merely one of a number of spirits, but He is Spirit. He is a spiritual, not a physical, being. Does that mean that He is only a shadow? Not by any means. The only enduring things are those that are spiritual. God is substance, for it is declared that Christ is the very image of His substance.

“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” Hebrews 1:3.

It is a mistaken idea that we are so prone to get, that spiritual things are unreal. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body (1 Corinthians 15:44). Christ's body after His resurrection, the body with which He ascended to heaven, was certainly a spiritual body, yet it was very real and tangible. We cannot tell what a spiritual body is, but we know that it is infinitely higher and more perfect than our physical bodies. It is not subject to the limitations that natural, physical bodies are.

God is Spirit, therefore the rest that He took after creation was spiritual rest. There was no physical weariness incurred in creating the earth. The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not; neither is weary (Isaiah 40:28). Creation was not a physical work; it was wholly spiritual. God spake, and it was. And His word is spirit. Therefore, to keep God's Sabbath, or rest, is to enjoy spiritual rest. The Sabbath is not designed for mere physical rest, but for spiritual. It has a higher meaning than is commonly attached to it. True, we are enjoined from doing our own labor on that day, but the cessation from physical labor on the Sabbath day is but an emblem of the spiritual rest which God gives to those who accept Him as the Creator of all things. Without spiritual rest there is no true Sabbath-keeping. The Lord says that they who turn away their feet from the Sabbath, and do not do their own ways on His holy day, but call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable, shall delight themselves in the Lord. (Isaiah 58:13, 14). A man may refrain from labor on the seventh day as scrupulously as ever the strictest Pharisee did; yet if he does not know and delight in the Lord Jesus Christ, he is not keeping the Sabbath of the Lord. True Sabbath rest can be found only in Christ.

Let it not be forgotten that the Sabbath was given to man in Eden before sin entered into the world. Work was given to Adam, but it was not wearisome labor. Labor is no part of the curse, but weariness from labor is. It was not until after the fall that it was said to Adam, Cursed is the ground for thy sake: in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return (Genesis 3:17-19). All this was because he had sinned. If he had remained loyal to God, the earth would have yielded bountifully only that which is good, and labor would have been a pleasure. Yet the sabbath would have been observed, not as a rest for the body, which would never have become weary, but as a season of delightful communion with God.

A practical lesson maybe learned right here in regard to Sabbath legislation. If the Sabbath were merely for the purpose of giving men physical rest, in order that they might be able to begin the next week's pursuit of wealth the more eagerly, it would be possible for the government to require all men to keep the Sabbath. But since the rest of the Sabbath is a spiritual rest, the impossibility of compelling anybody to keep the Sabbath must be apparent. Spiritual pertains to the Spirit of God. The rest of the Sabbath, being spiritual, is the rest which only the Spirit of God can give, and the Spirit of God is not subject to acts of parliament or the decrees of courts. Even though the seventh day, the day which the Lord Himself blessed and sanctified, were the day sought to be enforced, the result would be the same. God does not use compulsion, and He has not authorized any man or body of men to use it in His place. The Sabbath is for man; it is the greatest blessing that God has for man. It is that which shows him the power by which he may be saved. To compel men, therefore, to keep the Sabbath, would be the same as to compel them to be saved. Christ says that He will draw men to Him, but He does not drive them. He is the Good Shepherd; as such He goes before His sheep, and leads them by His voice, but He does not drive with a club.

It is clear that mere bodily recuperation is not the object of the Sabbath day and that merely refraining from bodily toil does not at all constitute the sums of Sabbath-keeping. Yet entire cessation from our own work, of whatever kind it may be, is enjoined on the seventh day. This, not alone for the purpose of giving us time to contemplate the works of God without interruption, but to impress a much needed lesson of trust in God. As we cease all our labor by which we earn our living, we are reminded of the fact that God supplies us not only with spiritual blessings, but also with all temporal necessities. We thereby acknowledge that although, in obedience to His command, we labor for our daily bread, we are as dependent upon Him as though we did nothing.
A proper understanding of the Sabbath and its object, therefore, would forever set at rest the inquiry that often arises in the minds of persons who are convinced that they ought to obey God in the matter of Sabbath observance. The question is If I should keep the seventh day, how could I make a living? I shall doubtless lose my position, and since comparatively few people keep that day, and it is the principal business day of the week, I shall not be able to find employment. What can I do? I say such a question will never be asked by one who knows the nature and object of the Sabbath. He will know that the Sabbath itself points out the answer. The very idea of Sabbath observance is that of perfect trust in God, whose power brought the universe from nothing, and upholds it, and whose love for His creatures is equal to His power to do them good.

 

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It will also solve the question, or rather prevent its arising, as to whether a man should in an extremity labor on the Sabbath in harvest, when that seems to be the only hope of securing the crop. He will know that the God who alone can make the corn grow, is fully able to protect it, or to make ample provision for him in another way if it should be destroyed. But all will understand that perfect Sabbath-keeping is consistent with bestowing all needful care upon the afflicted; for the Sabbath itself reminds us that God is gracious and full of compassion.

THE REST THAT REMAINS: Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:1-10).

The rest that is here spoken of is evidently the rest that remains for the people of God in the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. It is rest in the earth made new, which the ancient Jews did not obtain because of unbelief. That which they received in the land of Canaan was only a shadow of the real rest which God had promised them. The same gospel of the kingdom, which is preached to us, was first preached to them. But what has the seventh day to do with that eternal rest in the kingdom of God? We shall see.

The Sabbath is the memorial of creation, as we have seen. But let it not be forgotten that the Sabbath was given at the time when God saw all that He had made; and, behold, it was very good. So the Sabbath commemorates a perfect creation. It reminds us that the earth was not always in the condition in which we now see it. Then, since no word of God can fail, and every purpose will be carried out, just as surely as the Sabbath reminds us of a perfect creation completed for the dwelling-place of man, it assures us that the earth will be renewed and made fit for the dwelling-place of those who shall be made meet for the inheritance of the saints in light.

They shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols. But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens: God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else (Isaiah 45:16-18).

God made the earth and placed man upon it. When man was created, he was upright; therefore, God intended the earth to be inhabited by a race of perfect beings. To these beings He gave the Sabbath that they might keep in mind their Creator and thus retain their perfection. That perfection was not merely physical perfection, but it was spiritual as well. Man, in perfection of character, was made in the image of God. So he was to observe the Sabbath as a reminder of the spiritual perfection that he had received from God and that could be preserved by Him alone. Now it is to that perfect condition that the Lord is going to restore the earth, and through the gospel He is preparing a perfect people to inhabit the restored earth. Although man has fallen and the earth has been defiled, the Sabbath still remains a fragment of Eden, both as a reminder to man of what God prepared in the beginning and as a means of lifting him up to that high position, so that he may enjoy it when it is restored.

The rest that remains, therefore, is the earth renewed and Eden restored. The works were finished from the foundation of the world. That is, as soon as the earth was created, it was man's rest. Man was given work to do, but it was not wearisome work. A strictly literal rendering of Genesis 2:15 would be that God caused man to rest in the garden which He had planted. He gave man rest in the earth that was ready for his enjoyment. The proof of this is found in the words, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works.

Then the Sabbath was given to man as a sign that he was to rest to all eternity with the Lord. That is, he was to enjoy spiritual rest--perfect freedom from all sin.

During the six days God has been speaking the words that brought the earth to its perfect condition. Then He rested. He ceased speaking, and His word, which liveth and abideth forever, continued to uphold that which was created. So God rested upon His word. He could rest from the work of creation in perfect confidence that His word would uphold the universe. So when we keep the Sabbath of the Lord, we simply take the rest that comes from settling down upon the promises of God.

Thus it is that we which have believed do enter into rest. And he that hath entered into rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His. Before men fully accept the simple word of the Lord, everything is from self. The works of the flesh are only sin; and even though men profess to serve God and have earnest desires to do right, their own works to that end are failures. All our righteousness’s are as filthy rags Isaiah 64:6. But when we realize the power of the word of God and know that it is able to build up those who trust it, then we cease our own works and allow God to work in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Then all our works are wrought in Him, and they are right. This is indeed rest. The rest that comes when we realize that salvation does not come from ourselves but from the word which made the heavens and the earth and which upholds them is the rest which the Sabbath brings to us when it is kept as the Lord designs.

Notice that we are to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. It is holy, and so we are to keep it. We are not to make it holy, for that would be impossible; only God could do that. No act of ours can add to, or detract from, its holiness. Neither are we to make ourselves holy, so that we may keep it properly. That we could not do. But the same power that sanctified the Sabbath day will sanctify us. That power is the power that made the universe. It is creative power by which we are to be sanctified, for Christ is the Creator, and He is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption. God has given us the Sabbath--the memorial of His creative power--that we may know that He is the God that sanctifies us.

This is the rest that Christ gives to all that come to Him. He says, Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls (Matthew 11:28, 29). We are to come and rest upon the word that upholds the universe. This is what the Sabbath means. It commemorates creation; but redemption is simply the power that created all things, working to restore them. So the Sabbath marks the highest gospel attainments.

We have seen that the Sabbath was given in Eden, and that it is a part of that rest upon which God entered. When kept in spirit and in truth, it is a bit of Eden preserved for us through all the changes wrought by the curse. And as God made not the earth in vain, but formed it to be inhabited by the same class of people whom He first placed upon it, so it will yet be. Therefore, the Sabbath is not only a portion of the original Eden preserved for us, but it is also identical with that rest that will be enjoyed by the saints of God throughout eternity. Heaven does indeed begin upon earth for those who fully accept the Saviour, and who give themselves to Him without reserve. The Sabbath--a fragment of paradise--spans the chasm from Eden lost till Eden restored, and as it is the memorial of the first, it is the pledge of the second.

Is not the Sabbath, then, indeed a delight? Can anyone who understands what it means regard it in any other light than a blessing? The man of God has given us a song for the Sabbath day, in which he shows how it is to be regarded, and what it is to do for us. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord, and to sing praises unto Thy name, O Most High: to show forth Thy loving kindness in the morning and Thy faithfulness every night, upon an instrument of ten strings, and upon the psaltery; upon the harp with a solemn sound. For Thou, Lord, hast made me glad through Thy work: I will triumph in the works of Thy hands (Psalm 92:1-4). We are to be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. We are to be overcomers through Him that loved us. So when we are beset with temptation we have only to think of the power of God--the power that made the worlds from nothing--and know that it will be put forth for our deliverance if we will but accept it. Nothing is too hard for the Lord, and there is nothing able to withstand Him. All the hosts of Satan have no power when engaged in a contest with the Lord. Christ has spoiled principalities and powers (Colossians 2:15). So when we rest ourselves on that power, the victory is already won. The things that God has made remind us of His power, and so we triumph in the works of His hands. This glorious victory is what the Sabbath is intended to bring to us.

So as the Sabbath is the sign of a perfect creation, it is the seal of a new creature in Christ. It is therefore the seal of God, ministered by the Spirit of God. As it came from paradise and is a part of the rest of paradise, so it shows that those who keep it in spirit (not in form merely) are, through the mighty power of God, destined for a place in paradise. And thus it will come to pass that, in the ages to come, when Eden is restored, all flesh shall come together from Sabbath to Sabbath to worship God, whose love and power and kindness in Christ have brought them to share the glories of His presence. And as they assemble on those thrice-blessed Sabbath days, they will sing, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing. But the redeemed host will not be alone in their praises. All the works of God praise Him even now, while groaning and waiting for the redemption; but then, when every trace of the curse will have been removed and the gospel has brought back the original creation, Every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, will in perfection unite as with one voice in saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever Revelation 5:12, 13.

 

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Bump for those that may not have read this yet.... take the time, you'll be blessed!

 

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SABBATH REST: The word Sabbath means rest. It is the un-translated Hebrew word signifying rest. So where we read, The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, it is the same as though it read, The seventh day is the rest of the Lord thy God. That this is so will be plain to any one who recalls the statement that on the seventh day God rested from all His works which He had made.

I disagree? Here is why. The word 'Shabbath' 7676 is a noun that means "day of rest"
It is different from the word 'shabath,7677 which is a verb that mean simply means ' rest' that has no time directly implied.
Those 2 words are seldom interchangeable. The fact that both words are used in the same sentence help us to distinguish the facts even when the verb is helping to explain the Sabbath.

Genesis 2:1-3 sez that God rested, not that God took a 24hr day of rest. The explanation given for God resting is that all His works was finished. 24hr rest was not implied in Genesis 2:1-3. Bible proves that God is still at His rest from creation.
There is no pattern of weekly rest set if God did not work the following week and rested the 14th day.

 

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I disagree? Here is why. The word 'Shabbath' 7676 is a noun that means "day of rest"
It is different from the word 'shabath,7677 which is a verb that mean simply means ' rest' that has no time directly implied.
Those 2 words are seldom interchangeable. The fact that both words are used in the same sentence help us to distinguish the facts even when the verb is helping to explain the Sabbath.

Genesis 2:1-3 say that God rested, not that God took a day of rest sabbath. The explanation in these verses about God "finished" and ended all His work reenforces the truth that a 24hr "day of rest" was not implied in Genesis 2:1-3.

Yes it is implied Crib, the previous six periods of time were denoted as 24 hour periods, the morning and evening... you can't see the seventh day 'rest' being the same because you don't want to but the pattern is established....

If you read the statement 'the Lord' and then read later on, 'the Lord your God', are these speaking of different people? Of course not...

Your desperation of grasping at straws is so apparent Crib...

 

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Yes it is implied Crib, the previous six periods of time were denoted as 24 hour periods, the morning and evening... you can't see the seventh day 'rest' being the same because you don't want to but the pattern is established....

If you read the statement 'the Lord' and then read later on, 'the Lord your God', are these speaking of different people? Of course not...

Your desperation of grasping at straws is so apparent Crib...

What is apparent is; my rebuttal to your OP is being ignored.

It appear that you're the one who is now desperate to present confusion rather than clarification.

The writer implies that Sabbath is a verb but it's not, it's a noun that means "day of rest" not just rest. If I'm wrong then say so?

You get points for loyalty to your founders but they were humans like you, they made mistakes.
Today people are more knowledgeable than in the 19th century.


Did I want discuss whether each day was literally 24hr? No, I only presented the true definiton of Sabbath.



Your 6 days argument is also contradictory to scriptures.
Genesis chapter 1 explains "when" the Sun and moon were put in place to rule the day and the night. It was not the first day, so how can you be correct if the scriptures explains it different from you?

The bible actually explains to us when and how our 24hrdays/years, seasons were set in order.

Gen 1:14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
Gen 1:17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


Personally, I dont agree that these seven days are literal to earth days, but rather literal to all of God's creation.
If so, this explains why prehistoric bones I have seen with my eyes are found all over the world.
This explains why scientists can date the earth and other planets to be millions of yrs old.



God's "seventh day" represent the place of His rest. It's the promised place of hope (heaven) at the end (death) of all our works (life).
When Jesus was finished all His works on earth, He also entered that rest. (the throne of God)

Most SDA comments of Heb 4 fails to acknowledge that the Children of Israel and not Adam was the first to be offered to enter God's rest from creation. The bible say that "Today" is the day for believers in Jesus to enter God's rest. We know it is not a "24hr day of rest.
The scriptures say that those who will enter will have finished all works like God did. That implied that God did not rest for 24hrs, but rather finished His work on earth, and went to His rest in the heavens....(this text below implies that after we take off mortality, we will put on immortality and go to be with God.)
Hbr 4:10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.


The idea that God only rested 24hrs is a false doctrine. The bible in Gen2:1-3 reenforce the fact that God ended, ceased, finished all His work.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Interesting that you go on and on about scripture being your sole guide of truth and then admit that you don't really believe parts of it anyway....

You go ahead and keep to your beliefs that the earth is millions or billions of years old and that obedience to the Sabbath of creation does not matter.... I guess, to you, God isn't powerful enough to do what He says He did and mean what He has asked us to do...

 

[Cribstyl]

Interesting that you go on and on about scripture being your sole guide of truth and then admit that you don't really believe parts of it anyway....

You go ahead and keep to your beliefs that the earth is millions or billions of years old and that obedience to the Sabbath of creation does not matter.... I guess, to you, God isn't powerful enough to do what He says He did and mean what He has asked us to do...

What part of the bible did I say I dont believe? Gen 2:1-3 says that God rested, that's what I believe. You believe it means humanity was given rest. Now, you're saying that I dont believe the bible.


#1. You downloaded part of a book............ I presented the Hebrew definition and part of speech in dispute of the writer's definition of the word Sabbath. (#5 ) Where is your comment on that issue?


#2. You emphatically claimed that the six days implied 24hrs, then I presented a rebuttal on that.
The scriptures I posted show us "the day" when God created the sun and moon to rule earth's 24days, seasons, and years. Was it on the first day of creation? NO! Can you explain it?
How long was the first, second and third days with no sun and moon in place?
Where is your comments on these issue that you've raised?


Personal attacks are not necessary ECR, we're both trying to make sense not confusion.


Did I say that "sabbath dont matter" or that "God is not powerful enough?"

In my opinion;
Bitterness, confusion and anger seems to be comming from you because you have no answers to my questions.

 

[Cribstyl]

I would have never read E.G. Waggoner's book if it was not for this thread. So thank you for creating this thread.
I find that this man has a lot of useful knowledge in his book.

The Fourth Day: The Firmament Showeth His Handiwork



He point out how plants and life depends on the sun............

To me he explains how God prepared the earth for man live.


I dont agree with the theology expressed but but It's a good read like many other christian books

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Personally, I dont agree that these seven days are literal to earht, but rather literal to all of God's creation.
If so, this explains why prehistoric bones I have seen with my eyes are found all over the world.
This explains why scientists can date the earth and other planets to be millions of yrs old.

This is where you don't agree with what the Bible teaches... you sway to modern science because you can 'see with your own eyes' what they are espousing. Where is your faith brother? Why can't the world have been made in 6 literal days? Why does mans feeble wisdom of logic somehow negate what God can do? I guess I don't give any slack to evolutionists and part of what you stated falls into their belief.

As far as responding to your questions, I already stated that #1 refers to rest, whether a verb or noun and then I gave you an example of how the same could be used in refering to Lord verses Lord God. The true Sababth is all encompassing and cannot be constrained to being either an verb or noun or anything else for that matter. Thats what we learn as we come to a deeper understanding of what Sabbath is truly about. It is not just about not working on the day, it is so much more on so many levels...

To your #2 query, I only have what the Bible says and my understanding of it... what does the statement 'the evening and the morning' mean to you?

Genesis 1:3-5
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Cribstyl:​

You stated: Your 6 days argument is also contradictory to scriptures. To be honest your argument is truly contradictory and not according to Scriptures! Genesis chapter 1 explains "when" the Sun and moon were put in place to rule the day and the night. It was not the first day, so how can you be correct if the scriptures explains it different from you?​

The reason is clear according to Scripture:​

In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:1

The first thing is the word beginning means:​

H7225 - reshı̂yth: The first, in place, time, order or rank.​

In complete order and rank Yahweh begin to create the Heaven and then the earth and that is clear. Now when it is time to do the work on the earth the Bible explains that it was without a certain form or void! Then the Holy Spirit Elohim moved upon the face of the deep. And this lets me know that one certain thing about the earth were there before Elohim formed it into an earth. It was the deep and in order Elohim return to form the deep!​

H8415 - tehom; tehom: A surging mass of deep subterranean water supply.​

A mass of water was waiting in order of Elohim's plan to be formed! Then Elohim proved that only the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can create matter unique that no one else can do. He created day that did not need the sun and the moon because what the Bible said:

And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light. And Elohim saw the light, that it was good: and Elohim divided the light from the darkness. And Elohim called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:3-5​

It was the light that was created after darkness which was already there! The light was divided from the darkness and Elohim named the light day! Now day means from sunset to the next which is a 24 hour period.​

The bible actually explains to us when and how our 24hrdays/years, seasons were set in order. Personally, I don't agree that these seven days are literal to earth, but rather literal to all of God's creation. If so, this explains why prehistoric bones I have seen with my eyes are found all over the world. This explains why scientists can date the earth and other planets to be millions of yrs old.​

You are correct the seven days which are literal to all of creation because Elohim state this very clearly.​

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the YAHWEH Elohim made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:1-4 ​

Here the Bible is very clear that the weekly cycle period throughout the ages (generation) was set everywhere Elohim created including where the Father, Son, Holy Spirit abide.

It is very easy to explain prehistoric they were not pre but after man sin and before the flood. As a historian I could provide all of the inaccuracy of 14 Carbon dating but the internet is flooded with proof. Well known Universities and scholars have proved that it is a theory. A theory is only assumption and a hypothesis is an assumption based on a mathematical equation but not proven. However I will give you simple and easy proof. Man used all of his brain and the earth was in a remarkable state than today. The Bible stated clearly that the fountain of the deep open and remember the deep was frozen water in outer space. Some of this crystal ice remained to give the earth a canopy or a greenhouse state. There was no rain only dew from the earth. Water is a catalyst that speeds up decaying in an short rate of time. Sample just sit in water and see how fast you skin wrinkles! To destroy all of the species that man manipulated using DNA splicing which include attempting to make subhuman creatures defacing the image of Elohim, were destroyed in the flood;​

For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from heaven against all wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of Elohim is manifest in them; for Elohim hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Mightiness; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew Elohim, they glorified him not as Elohim, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible Elohim into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:18-23 (Gen 6:4-6)

Man had powers that were relinquished after Yahweh permitted man to eat only clean animals (flesh) for food (meat). The dinosaurs and confused subhuman all were destroyed in the flood and the water covered the entire planet. It was only the mercy of Elohim that the ark wasn't destroyed. Because of the power of water rock begin to decay and the prevailing of the water through the rocks around. Water before the flood was controlled in one place. There was more land that covered the earth. However after the water succeeded it also cause the land mass to disappear causing volcanoes, faults in the earth and water. The water had to come down within a certain time so wind and rocks covered up the bodies with great force. This is why you have glaciers because the earth was so violent with the weight of all that water that it moved. It is not the same circulation around the sun and the moon takes 291/2 to 30 days to go around the earth. The earth also is colder in the south pole than the north pole because it's tilting motion and circulation around the sun.​

Finally the word "season" is not the correct that should be used in Gen 1:14. This word is appointed time or what we know as Feast Days. I will not explain that right now. What you need to know is that there were no spring, summer, winter or fall as we know it today that came after the flood. It was not call season only one climate until after the flood. The actual word season is never used:​

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. Gen 8:22 ​

Most SDA comments of Heb 4 fails to acknowledge that the Children of Israel and not Adam was the first to be offered to enter God's rest from creation. The bible say that "Today" is the day for believers in Jesus to enter God's rest. We know it is not a "24hr day of rest.​

Why blame SDA when the Bible does refer to Adam first by saying "from the foundation of the world." Paul also mentioned the Sabbath or Seventh day where Elohim finished all of Elohim's work. This is founded in Gen 2:2 and that is before the Hebrews or any nation but only Adam and Eve. I have study the word rest and learn that abode is actually the Greek word. But the Hebrew word rest "shabat" really means to celebrate. Searching the actual meaning to celebrate in the original languages that formed the English language it means to "assemble to honor," also "to publish; sing praises of; practice often," originally "to frequent in great numbers." The Etymology is:

Past participle, a form of a verb that can be both a verb and an adjective, and which denotes action which has been completed. In Modern English, it commonly ends in -ed or -en. Thus, asked is the past participle of ask. French past participles commonly were adopted as finite verbs in Middle English. Etymology Online​

The English language has adopted so many languages including its German roots that it is advise to study carefully where the word came from originally and its original meaning. Now when Elohim finish the creation of the universe in interval of seventh day periods that Paul confirmed, Paul with wisdom used the "Seventh day" instead of the Sabbath. The Greek language stated that the word seventh (hebdomos) which is a primary number and the word day (hemera) meaning the time and space between dark and dawn. Now that is the Hebrew word for day (yom) identical and in meaning.​

For he spake in a certain place - This certain place or somewhere, is probably Gen 2:2; and refers to the completion of the work of creation, and the setting apart the seventh day as a day of rest for man, and a type of everlasting felicity. Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

For he spake in a certain place, Gen 2:2 that is, Moses, the penman of that book spoke, or God by him: of the seventh day on this wise; of the seventh day of the world, or from the creation of the heavens and the earth: and God did rest the seventh day from all his works: of creation, but not of providence; for in them he works hitherto; nor does this rest suppose labour with fatigue and weariness, and ease and refreshment from it; only cessation from working in a creative way, and the utmost delight, complacency and satisfaction in what he had done. The Alexandrian copy leaves out the phrase, "the seventh day." John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible​

As Biblical scholars were pondering over the truth of the Bible during the 1700-1800, some remain diligent to understand and to write the truth that the word rest was actually a celebration for all created beings of the universe. They were to rejoice by taking out time from their work to assemble and to honor, to publish, sing praises and to practice this celebration each seventh day frequently and in great numbers." Truth is Elohim bless this day, named it Sabbath and sanctified it (made it holy) for all to celebrate and to honor Yahweh the Father eternally weekly on His Sabbath!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[Stryder06]

This is where you don't agree with what the Bible teaches... you sway to modern science because you can 'see with your own eyes' what they are espousing. Where is your faith brother? Why can't the world have been made in 6 literal days? Why does mans feeble wisdom of logic somehow negate what God can do? I guess I don't give any slack to evolutionists and part of what you stated falls into their belief.

As far as responding to your questions, I already stated that #1 refers to rest, whether a verb or noun and then I gave you an example of how the same could be used in refering to Lord verses Lord God. The true Sababth is all encompassing and cannot be constrained to being either an verb or noun or anything else for that matter. Thats what we learn as we come to a deeper understanding of what Sabbath is truly about. It is not just about not working on the day, it is so much more on so many levels...

To your #2 query, I only have what the Bible says and my understanding of it... what does the statement 'the evening and the morning' mean to you?

Genesis 1:3-5
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

What's more, if God didn't not actually use seven literal days, then He couldn't have given the sabbath commandment as stated. "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth..." If that wasn't actually six days, but was six billion years, then God would have been lying to the people.

I've also considered how the sun wasn't made until the 4th day. What I figure is that when God made the sun from the light He created on the 1st day. I like to keep it simple lol.

 

[Cribstyl]

(a)This is where you don't agree with what the Bible teaches...


(b)you sway to modern science because you can 'see with your own eyes' what they are espousing.

(c)Where is your faith brother?

(d)Why can't the world have been made in 6 literal days?

(e) Why does mans feeble wisdom of logic somehow negate what God can do?
(F)I guess I don't give any slack to evolutionists and part of what you stated falls into their belief.

These 6 statements above are all spin ECR.
(a)I do believe what the bible teach.

(b)Modern science in many aspects actually agrees with the bible. My sway is with the word of God.

(c)My faith is in the fact that Jesus is the Son of God and He died for my sins. Do I question your faith because you present nothing but commentary?

(d)The bible does not say that God's seven days of creation is referenced to earth days.
If the first 3 days had no sun and moon, explain how 24hrs are established for the first 3 days?

(e) That a good question. The bible is about 80 thousand words but SDA have over 1million words of inspired writing to tell man what to do.

(f) A generation of fear cannot lead others to light, they'll search back to find comfort in the council of their mother. (Crib2011)

As far as responding to your questions, I already stated that #1 refers to rest, whether a verb or noun and then I gave you an example of how the same could be used in refering to Lord verses Lord God. The true Sababth is all encompassing and cannot be constrained to being either an verb or noun or anything else for that matter. Thats what we learn as we come to a deeper understanding of what Sabbath is truly about. It is not just about not working on the day, it is so much more on so many levels...

One question....According to Gen 2:1-3 Did God rest or did God sabbath? Defense rest.

To your #2 query, I only have what the Bible says and my understanding of it... what does the statement 'the evening and the morning' mean to you?

Genesis 1:3-5
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

And the evening and the morning were the first day.

I dont claim to know everything ECR, but these scriptures tells me that the light that God spoke into creation was not the light of the sun. I just call it the light of God.
From my understanding, the declaration of evening and morning in all six days are referenced to all of God's creation days. The seventh day is when God went to heaven because He was finished creation...Hello???

Here is a strong argument ECR.
Earth does not "appear" until the third day of God's creation.
Gen 1:9¶And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

I believe these seven days are referenced to God's vast creation not our sun and moon, which scripture say that "God made" on the fourth day.


In the 1800s man could only imagine one sun and a few planets. We know better now. We now see the stars as suns. We see billions of suns with trillions of planets arround them in our galaxy alone. And there are billions of galaxies.

The words that Moses wrote in Genesis 1 were inspired by God and cannot be changed or taken for granted.
Scientist are amazed how the bible remains true to support what we discover in the heavens.

 

[Cribstyl]

What's more, if God didn't not actually use seven literal days, then He couldn't have given the sabbath commandment as stated. "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth..." If that wasn't actually six days, but was six billion years, then God would have been lying to the people.

I've also considered how the sun wasn't made until the 4th day. What I figure is that when God made the sun from the light He created on the 1st day. I like to keep it simple lol.

Genesis chapter 2 helps us to know that Gen 1 was not literal. In Gen 1 sea creatures come forth on the 5th day and land animals came forth on the 6th day before man.
In Genesis 2, it says that God formed every animal to find a help meet for man. So could we say that animals came after Adam and before Eve?

Gen 2:18¶And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.


With your kind of reasoning, maybe you can explain why Adam did not die on the literal day that he ate from the tree?
Gen 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Clue: If the earth was not made on the evening and morning of the first day, we can see that Moses references are to the days of God's creation days, not to earth's days. Genesis 1 fourth day, proves the earth's days governed by the sun and the moon, which God commanded on the 4th day. I have to borrow your phrase ( Are you call God a liar?)

 

[Stryder06]

Genesis chapter 2 helps us to know that Gen 1 was not literal. In Gen 1 sea creatures come forth on the 5th day and land animals came forth on the 6th day before man.
In Genesis 2, it says that God formed every animal to find a help meet for man. So could we say that animals came after Adam and before Eve?

Gen 2:18¶And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

I think you're reading the text wrong. Verse 18 and 19 aren't in any Chronological order. It's more like a statement of face. God said Adam shouldn't be alone. So Adam spent some time with the animals before God created Eve. The text isn't saying that God created Adam, made the animals, then created Eve.

With your kind of reasoning, maybe you can explain why Adam did not die on the literal day that he ate from the tree?
Gen 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Mercy and grace my brother

Clue: If the earth was not made on the evening and morning of the first day, we can see that Moses references are to the days of God's creation days. Not to earth's days, which Genesis 1 proves were governed by the sun and the moon, which were "made" on the 4th day.

Sorry, but it says 7 days, so it was seven days. Again, if it wasn't seven actual days then God would have been lying to the people when He gave them the forth commandment.

Don't forget, light was made on the first day. Our evenings and mornings are governed by the rotation of the earth on it's axis around the sun. God making the sun on the 4th day, as I consider it, is simply God making the sun out of the light that was created on the 1st day. In other words, God made light. The earth rotated around that light, spinning on its axis. Thus the evenings and mornings. And the moon is just a rock that reflects the suns light. It's existence does not determine evening nor morning.

The words that Moses wrote in Genesis 1 were inspired by God and cannot be changed or taken for granted.

Indeed they were. And if God wanted Moses to relay the idea of a billion year creation, I'm certain the use of the word "day" would have been excluded from Genesis 1 and from the 4th commandment.

 

[Cribstyl]

I think you're reading the text wrong. Verse 18 and 19 aren't in any Chronological order. It's more like a statement of face. God said Adam shouldn't be alone. So Adam spent some time with the animals before God created Eve. The text isn't saying that God created Adam, made the animals, then created Eve.

Oh really?? I read that God formed the animals from the ground and brought them to Adam........ If you're saying I'm reading it wrong tell us what happened Stryder.

Gen 2:18¶And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

Mercy and grace my brother

Sorry, but it says 7 days, so it was seven days. Again, if it wasn't seven actual days then God would have been lying to the people when He gave them the forth commandment.

Not funny because you're the one making God out to be a liar.

God said; "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
God did not say you might die, but "thou shall surely die".

The key question is if "the day" is literally 24hrs or not.

Don't forget, light was made on the first day. Our evenings and mornings are governed by the rotation of the earth on it's axis around the sun. God making the sun on the 4th day, as I consider it, is simply God making the sun out of the light that was created on the 1st day. In other words, God made light. The earth rotated around that light, spinning on its axis. Thus the evenings and mornings. And the moon is just a rock that reflects the suns light. It's existence does not determine evening nor morning.

When SDA upgrade to 3.0, they will see as some scientist know that "God's creation" according to Genesis 1, is more 1billion time larger than people though in the 1800s.
If the sun is considered a dot to the other suns of the heavens, who would think that the light from the sun is the dominant light of creation?
Stryder, God made the earth on the third day(corrected error) and sun and the moon on the 4th day.

Here is a chart of other lights than our sun) They were created before the earth Stryder. These suns all have planets with different days, years and seasons.
Comparative planetary and stellar sizes

Indeed they were. And if God wanted Moses to relay the idea of a billion year creation, I'm certain the use of the word "day" would have been excluded from Genesis 1 and from the 4th commandment.

That's questionable too.....
One day you will get it right, I have confidence in you.

 

[Cribstyl]

 

[Stryder06]

Oh really?? I read that God formed the animals from the ground and brought them to Adam........ If you're saying I'm reading it wrong tell us what happened Stryder.

Gen 2:18¶And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

I already explained it to you Crib. You also read that animals were made day 5 and man was made day 6. You are the one that likes to explain away scripture with other scripture, not me.

Not funny because you're the one making God out to be a liar.

God said; "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
God did not say you might die, but "thou shall surely die".

The key question is if "the day" is literally 24hrs or not.

Who said I was joking? I was dead serious. Why do you think Christ is called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? The penalty for sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. Notice how Genesis 3:21 tells us that God made coats of skin for them. Those skins had to come from something wouldn't you say? Do you think it a stretch that those skins came from a sheep perhaps, or maybe a goat? There was a substitution made in Eden. The instant Adam and Eve sinned, the plan of salvation went into action, and Christ became the One who would die for man.

When SDA upgrade to 3.0, they will see as some scientist know that "God's creation" according to Genesis 1, is more 1billion time larger than people though in the 1800s.
If the sun is considered a dot to the other suns of the heavens, who would think that the light from the sun is the dominant light of creation?
Stryder, God made the earth on the second day and sun and the moon on the 4th day.

Come again? I don't put science before God. Those guys want to have their cake and eat it too. And who says God made the earth on the 2nd day? He made dry ground on the second day. As already stated, the sun was created from the light which God made on day one.

Here is a chart of other lights than our sun) They were created before the earth Stryder. These suns all have planets with different days, years and seasons.
Comparative planetary and stellar sizes
That's questionable too.....

What does this have to do with anything? I've never subscribed to the idea that everything that was made was made during Genesis 1. That creation account is about our planet. Our cycle. Our 24hr day period. I mean, you don't have to leave the solar system to know that each planet has a different cycle, but that has nothing to do with us since those aren't the planets that we inhabit.

 

[Cribstyl]

I already explained it to you Crib. You also read that animals were made day 5 and man was made day 6. You are the one that likes to explain away scripture with other scripture, not me.

Who died and made your words the final answer Stryder?
Our answers to the word of God should be "Yes" and "Amen" Stryder, not skip to whatever sounds acceptable to you.

It's no secret that Genesis 1-2:3 is isolated to God's seven days of creation which ends with God at rest from all His work.
The bible in other place reveals that God had never dwell with man. God's throne is the place of His rest.
The earth has been His footstool from His creation rest.

Commentary have no choice but war about 7/24hr days.
Commentary has God keeping Sabbath with Adam on earth.
Commentary claims that God set a pattern.
What did He do on the 8th, 9th,... day?
Explain why the texts claim that God was finished from all of His works on the 6th day?

Everybody seems to understand that the following texts gives a closeup account of important details about how God created man. It actually goes back into the days of creation and give account of when and how man was formed from dust and woman from mans rib.

NASB - Gen 2:4 -*This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

You dont want the biblical details about mankind because the sabbath commentary is a better fits.

Who said I was joking? I was dead serious.

Who's idea is calling God a liar Stryder?
Let's not raise foolishness and there will be none.

We have two set of creation accounts in scriptures and one fits your doctrine.
"Both" fit's my understanding of what Moses wrote, not that God lied.

Why do you think Christ is called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?

I'm glad you're alway asking me questions. I do find it as a labor of love to be here...(I cant leave even though I beg God to release me from upsetting so many people.)
Try to keep record, that I give you a direct answer without frustration or confusion.
Yes, I do get hot when a strategic request is loaded with questionable theology.
And yes, some days my questions are answered by reasonable people.

Your answer: Rev 13:8 The lambs slained from the foundation of the world is just a title given to Jesus. It does not mean that He was killed at the beginning. It means that from the beginning of creation He was set apart to die for the sins of mankind. Gen 3:15

The penalty for sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. Notice how Genesis 3:21 tells us that God made coats of skin for them. Those skins had to come from something wouldn't you say? Do you think it a stretch that those skins came from a sheep perhaps, or maybe a goat? There was a substitution made in Eden. The instant Adam and Eve sinned, the plan of salvation went into action, and Christ became the One who would die for man.

We're in agreement in part. The other part of your doctrines
Are You implying that the coats were probably from a sheep or a goat. And it means that God killed animals to offer up blood sacrifice for Adam and Eve.
Are you saying the coats represents Christ?
The sacrificial law was given at creation? What's next? Cain's sacrifice?
What are you talking about?