The GOP finally gets a spine...

[seekingmuch]

Good to see. The GOP should forget any other ad and run this one until the election in Nov. 2019.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Good to see. The GOP should forget any other ad and run this one until the election in Nov. 2019.

I agree except that it's too long to run the whole thing as a commercial.

They would have to cut it up into sections to run it as a commercial.

 

[paul1149]

It is good. The only way we're going to win is to start fighting back. We've let them overrun us for decades.

 

[The Barbarian]

If Reagan was alive today, he'd be dragging Donald Trump out of the WH by his ear.

 

[Yarddog]

Good to see. The GOP should forget any other ad and run this one until the election in Nov. 2019.

Nothing but a bunch of political sound bites which show the GOP still has no problem embracing lies.

 

[HannahT]

Nothing but a bunch of political sound bites which show the GOP still has no problem embracing lies.

Except people need to say more than what you mentioned. Both sides will say the same about the other. You need to point out the lies in the video, otherwise - sadly today - your comment sounds like soundbite with no substance.

 

[The Barbarian]

The biggest problem is that the talking points are preaching to the choir. The only people who will believe that are the 35 to 40 percent who are core Trump people. If the republicans abandon moderates again, the 2020 election will be a replay of 2018.

And whether one takes those stories as true or not, the effect will be the same.

 

[Yarddog]

Except people need to say more than what you mentioned. Both sides will say the same about the other. You need to point out the lies in the video, otherwise - sadly today - your comment sounds like soundbite with no substance.

I agree, both sides do this, though the right wingers have taken this type of political disinformation tactics to levels since Karl Rove devised them. If you want the lies, listen to everything the Republicans say in the video. They take the sound bites from Democrat interviews, speeches, etc... and add their twist, exaggerating the context so it becomes something new.

Typical politics of fear.

 

[seekingmuch]

The biggest problem is that the talking points are preaching to the choir. The only people who will believe that are the 35 to 40 percent who are core Trump people. If the republicans abandon moderates again, the 2020 election will be a replay of 2018.

And whether one takes those stories as true or not, the effect will be the same.

I'm a moderate Libertarian who voted Trump, and I'll do it again in 2020.

Like John Stossel, I went from Classic Liberal to Moderate Libertarian. I walked away from the Dems in 2002.

Moderates don't want socialism and where the Dems are going, the extreme far left, any more than the conservatives do.

My advice to the conservatives would be to soften some stances and embrace the middle class. In other words, stop being obsessed with the 1%. And, forget Ayn Rand's philosophy. She was a godless heathen obsessed with money, and she ended up penniless, sick and on social security the last few years of her life.

Trump acknowledged LGBT during the convention and I don't think he cares what a person's sexual orientation is. The GOP should invite them in. Gay Marriage is the law of the land. That fight is over. Let it go. The vocal Gay minority will always despise the GOP, but the silent majority would switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the GOP welcome them in. It would also stab at the heart of the Democrats. Pass laws that don't allow landlords to discriminate against LGBT. You already have many of them with the lower taxes thing. I know quite a few that voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary's taxes.

The GOP could win over Latinos by telling them, "we are against illegal immigration because we want people to come here legally, and they are going to take your jobs because they are cheaper." Legal Latinos get that.

If the GOP simply moderates some of their stances, the Dems would truly become a coastal party of the tax and spend to death clown party that they've become.

 

[HannahT]

I agree, both sides do this, though the right wingers have taken this type of political disinformation tactics to levels since Karl Rove devised them. If you want the lies, listen to everything the Republicans say in the video. They take the sound bites from Democrat interviews, speeches, etc... and add their twist, exaggerating the context so it becomes something new.

Typical politics of fear.

Democrats do the same thing. That's why many are not paying so much attention to the politicians or the media. The drama is tiring. Everyone parrots the 'everything they say is lies', and no one goes into specifics. People cry wolf so much today it's amazing you have as many people paying attention at all. Although, you speak to people and many of things we all can remember they didn't hear about at all. People are starting to tune out.

 

[HannahT]

Trump acknowledged LGBT during the convention and I don't think he cares what a person's sexual orientation is. The GOP should invite them in. Gay Marriage is the law of the land. That fight is over. Let it go. The vocal Gay minority will always despise the GOP, but the silent majority would switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the GOP welcome them in. It would also stab at the heart of the Democrats. Pass laws that don't allow landlords to discriminate against LGBT. You already have many of them with the lower taxes thing. I know quite a few that voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary's taxes.

The GOP could win over Latinos by telling them, "we are against illegal immigration because we want people to come here legally, and they are going to take your jobs because they are cheaper." Legal Latinos get that.

If the GOP simply moderates some of their stances, the Dems would truly become a coastal party of the tax and spend to death clown party that they've become.

I think part of that is getting out. Some have already heard it.

I think just as the Democratic party is changing a bit, and this last election changed up the GOP a bit too. Many of the old guard either lost or left when they say the writing on the wall. It's about time - IMO.

I find the country is more healthy when you have two healthy parties, and right now? We have two that are evolving, and goodness knows where it will land. People are getting tired of the identity politics, and you will always have the diehards that won't let that go. People are also getting exhausted by all the petty drama, and just like in 'real life' you tend to tune that out once you have had your fill. That could play against things too. People want details, and not why you should 'hate' someone.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm a moderate Libertarian who voted Trump, and I'll do it again in 2020.

Like John Stossel, I went from Classic Liberal to Moderate Libertarian. I walked away from the Dems in 2002.

Moderates don't want socialism and where the Dems are going, the extreme far left, any more than the conservatives do.

My advice to the conservatives would be to soften some stances and embrace the middle class. In other words, stop being obsessed with the 1%. And, forget Ayn Rand's philosophy. She was a godless heathen obsessed with money, and she ended up penniless, sick and on social security the last few years of her life.

Trump acknowledged LGBT during the convention and I don't think he cares what a person's sexual orientation is. The GOP should invite them in. Gay Marriage is the law of the land. That fight is over. Let it go. The vocal Gay minority will always despise the GOP, but the silent majority would switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the GOP welcome them in. It would also stab at the heart of the Democrats. Pass laws that don't allow landlords to discriminate against LGBT. You already have many of them with the lower taxes thing. I know quite a few that voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary's taxes.

The GOP could win over Latinos by telling them, "we are against illegal immigration because we want people to come here legally, and they are going to take your jobs because they are cheaper." Legal Latinos get that.

If the GOP simply moderates some of their stances, the Dems would truly become a coastal party of the tax and spend to death clown party that they've become.

You're making some sense here. But you're missing the important thing, that is making both parties too extreme.

It's Gerrymandering. By making "safe" seats, it makes it harder for moderates to win primaries. So the crazier people start getting elected. On both sides of the divide. And it affects the American people after a while; more democrats and moderate express favorable views of socialism, while white nationalism has had a resurgence in the republican party.

If you stop politicians from trying to rig elections by crooked redistricting, those problems will go away. But not quickly. They slowly formed, and they will slowly retreat when corruption in redistricting is prevented.

And it's in the republican party's best interest to do it now.


Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

New Survey Shows Young People Are Staying Liberal and Conservatives Are Dying Off

A system rigged to favor the more extreme candidates will greatly favor the left, and will do that more effectively as time goes on.

I can only suppose that the republicans are so eager to hold onto their seats that they are trashing the party's future for their own benefit.

 

[seekingmuch]

I agree, both sides do this, though the right wingers have taken this type of political disinformation tactics to levels since Karl Rove devised them. If you want the lies, listen to everything the Republicans say in the video. They take the sound bites from Democrat interviews, speeches, etc... and add their twist, exaggerating the context so it becomes something new.

Typical politics of fear.

Dems do the same thing.

If Trump is elected, forget getting an abortion, and Gays won't be able to marry. B.S.

The real fight is whether we become a socialist nation or remain a capitalist one, do we get even bigger gov't and more taxes or less gov't and less taxes.

Trump has got that is going to be the fight of 2020. Socialism or capitalism? Make a choice.

 

[seekingmuch]

You're making some sense here. But you're missing the important thing, that is making both parties too extreme.

It's Gerrymandering. By making "safe" seats, it makes it harder for moderates to win primaries. So the crazier people start getting elected. On both sides of the divide. And it affects the American people after a while; more democrats and moderate express favorable views of socialism, while white nationalism has had a resurgence in the republican party.

If you stop politicians from trying to rig elections by crooked redistricting, those problems will go away. But not quickly. They slowly formed, and they will slowly retreat when corruption in redistricting is prevented.

And it's in the republican party's best interest to do it now.


Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

New Survey Shows Young People Are Staying Liberal and Conservatives Are Dying Off

A system rigged to favor the more extreme candidates will greatly favor the left, and will do that more effectively as time goes on.

I can only suppose that the republicans are so eager to hold onto their seats that they are trashing the party's future for their own benefit.

The Dems rigged their districts in states they are in control of, too. It's tit for tat. Stop spreading propaganda.

 

[The Barbarian]

The Dems rigged their districts in states they are in control of, too. It's tit for tat. Stop spreading propaganda.

It's why I said it was making extremists on both sides of the divide. Maryland, for example Gerrymanders in favor of democrats as much as Texas or South Carolina Gerrymanders in favor of republicans. In every state where it happens, it corrupts political processes, and leads to extremism.

There are exceptions on both side, also. California requires a non-partisan redistricting and representation in Congress from California is very close to the demographics of the state. Iowa won't even let legislators know what's going on until redistricting is finished.

We need more states like that. My point is that republicans have a much greater interest in getting that done; in coming years, leftists will have control of most states and if they can Gerrymander at will, it's not good for the GOP.

On the other hand, ending Gerrymandering would lead to less radicalism in both major parties, and the generational problems for the republican party would be less difficult.

Calm yourself.

 

[The Barbarian]

Dems do the same thing.

If Trump is elected, forget getting an abortion, and Gays won't be able to marry. B.S.

He's not a king. He has to deal with the things Americans want and avoid the things they don't want. This is why his wall is won't be going up; Americans don't want it.

Likewise, a large majority of Americans favor rights for homosexuals:

There's no turning that one back; it would take many years of repression to undo this.

On the other hand, abortion is already dying, because a growing number of Americans don't want it. We are basically libertarian in our outlook, and so while most Americans think abortion is morally wrong, fewer of them think it should be outlawed. But it has been moving in the right direction.

A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that the national abortion rate declined 26 percent between 2006 and 2015, hitting the lowest level that the government has on record.


The abortion ratio — the proportion of abortions to live births — is also down to historic lows. In 2005, the abortion ratio was about 233 abortions for every 1,000 live births; in 2015, it was 188 abortions for 1,000 live births.
The American abortion rate is at an all-time low

We're going through a time when statists are aggressively seeking power over the individual. This always ends with a resurgence in liberalism. But not necessarily in more government or more socialism.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Dems do the same thing.

If Trump is elected, forget getting an abortion, and Gays won't be able to marry. B.S.

The real fight is whether we become a socialist nation or remain a capitalist one, do we get even bigger gov't and more taxes or less gov't and less taxes.

Trump has got that is going to be the fight of 2020. Socialism or capitalism? Make a choice.

So you are saying that if Trump is re-elected we should not worry about gay marriage and abortion, but if a Democrat is elected then we will become a socialist country?

So the extreme right won’t take over if Trump is re-elected but the extreme left will take over if a Democrat is elected?

Seem far fetched in either direction. The President just doesn’t have that much power (as long as you have a Congress that is doing its job).

 

[HannahT]

So you are saying that if Trump is re-elected we should not worry about gay marriage and abortion, but if a Democrat is elected then we will become a socialist country?

So the extreme right won’t take over if Trump is re-elected but the extreme left will take over if a Democrat is elected?

Seem far fetched in either direction. The President just doesn’t have that much power (as long as you have a Congress that is doing its job).

The way things are playing out the political talking points will be: Socialism or capitalism? Make a choice.

Majority of Democrats don't want socialism IMO. Yet, the front runners do hint at it to play to that base. Since this politics? Of course they are play it. Just like the left played the:

If Trump stays in office gay marriage and abortion are over - and don't forget women's rights will be stripped. Remember he is a dictator, and they forgot about the balance of power that is handed congress so that doesn't happen. Yet, they claim it to be so anyway.

Most of the hot air today is far fetched. Just like people claiming the 'far' anything will be taking over.

 

[Yarddog]

Dems do the same thing.

I conveyed that in my message but Christians should acknowledge lies as lies.

 

[Yarddog]

Democrats do the same thing. That's why many are not paying so much attention to the politicians or the media.

Somebody is or this thread wouldn't have been created.