The good life

[Species8472]

Sin gave birth to morality.

Tell me Adam, what is good for you? Adam had to make a purgatory of moral code. A nice little hell on earth, where guilt and denial was at the core of the pleasures of the flesh;
Ascending our animal nature to become god-like.

...And blessed with fire.

 

[exploring]

Sin gave birth to morality.

Tell me Adam, what is good for you? Adam had to make a purgatory of moral code. A nice little hell on earth, where guilt and denial was at the core of the pleasures of the flesh;
Ascending our animal nature to become god-like.

...And blessed with fire.

Do you really think that pleasure is based on guilt? Scientifically speaking, pleasure seems to be the more primative phenomenon. Even if you don't accept evolution, you must be able to see that while a cow can experience pleasure, noone would say that it can be guilty of something or deny something.

Maybe you mean denial of our god-like side, which animals supposedly don't have? Jesus hardly frowned upon pleasure though: he turned water into wine, drank with his disciples and fed the five thousand yummy fish. His point is not "pleasure is evil" but "love of pleasure should not precede love of god".

The only denial that i see is the ascetic denial of the dyonisian, animal side that is part of all humans and of the creation that god "saw was good"

 

[Species8472]

Do you really think that pleasure is based on guilt? Scientifically speaking, pleasure seems to be the more primative phenomenon. Even if you don't accept evolution, you must be able to see that while a cow can experience pleasure, noone would say that it can be guilty of something or deny something.

Maybe you mean denial of our god-like side, which animals supposedly don't have? Jesus hardly frowned upon pleasure though: he turned water into wine, drank with his disciples and fed the five thousand yummy fish. His point is not "pleasure is evil" but "love of pleasure should not precede love of god".

The only denial that i see is the ascetic denial of the dyonisian, animal side that is part of all humans and of the creation that god "saw was good"

No. Pleasure is not based on guilt, however, guilt and denial have been introduced into pleasure as the admittance of sin led to the institution of morality. Basicly, man brought judgement to himself through what he called divine intervention which led to the guilt and denial that pleasures of the flesh were somehow wrong or unnecessary.