The Golden Rule

[Phred]

doesn't say;

we know then, that since all is from adam and eve, that other were born, and so..

doesn't go into years or show genealogies of all in the bible.

but we all come from adam and eve.

theres' much not provided us in the bible, but God gave us what we need.

but no denying all came from adam and eve
at least that's what i believe to be true
all are from adam and eve

It's quite easily denied. At some point in the not so distant past (over 100,000 years ago) there existed an organism whose population split into two separate populations. One group went on to become humans like you and I, the other to become chimpanzees. Our genetics points to this quite clearly. It doesn't point to two beings 6,000 years ago.

 

[quatona]

Do you believe the Golden Rule applies to everyone?

Well, although the quoted advices have considerable differences they have a common - and actually trivial - motif: If trying to imagine how others feel about your action considering how you would feel in their place will be a good starting point, since we all have a lot in common.
This advice appears to be helpful for everyone who is concerned with the well-being of his fellow humans and his own well-being - which I think includes literally everybody.

Should it?

I don´t understand the question. This motif in one of its variations seems to be a sine qua non for and axiomatically accepted by everyone who engages in ethical considerations. It seems to be present in most every culture.
However, since it can only be a rule of thumb (people are different after all - which, btw. makes the Christian version in its extreme generality questionable), people all around the world make qualifications.

 

[NeTrips]

The different teachings in the OP are quite different. Jesus tells His disciples what to do and how to treat others. The rest tell you what not to do but leae it open that doing nothing at all is acceptable.

If i was drowning, I would much rather have a Christian on the bank who should do what he would want done to himself - save me, rather than have one from the other groups mentioned who should not do to me what they wouldn't want done to themselves - throw me a rock, but does not have to do anything positive at all.

 

[levi501]

doesn't say;

we know then, that since all is from adam and eve, that other were born, and so..

doesn't go into years or show genealogies of all in the bible.

So all the people of Nod including Cain's wife were offspring of adam and eve?

Yah, I think the less crazy idea is that is genesis is metaphorical and the first two people with a soul were adam and eve, but they weren't by any means the first humans.

 

[tapero]

So all the people of Nod including Cain's wife were offspring of adam and eve?

Yah, I think the less crazy idea is that is genesis is metaphorical and the first two people with a soul were adam and eve, but they weren't by any means the first humans.

yes, i believe all mankind are descendants of adam and eve.

 

[tapero]

It's quite easily denied. At some point in the not so distant past (over 100,000 years ago) there existed an organism whose population split into two separate populations. One group went on to become humans like you and I, the other to become chimpanzees. Our genetics points to this quite clearly. It doesn't point to two beings 6,000 years ago.

Hi, God created angels and man, as in adam and eve, all are descendants of them.

I said nothing about 6000 years, if you read my post over a bit, and go back a few from whereever you picked up 6000 years, you'll see i dont mention it.

 

[CCGirl]

yes, i believe all mankind are descendants of adam and eve.

Really??! How about the Incas, Aztecs......evidence that shows man was living in the Americas 35,000 years ago?

 

[JGG]

Really??! How about the Incas, Aztecs......evidence that shows man was living in the Americas 35,000 years ago?

That's where bending the space/time continuum comes in handy.

Wait, this isn't the Lost message board...nevermind.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Never noticed that, but you're right, the negative version makes much more sense.

Yeah, I am sure it does.

 

[tapero]

Really??! How about the Incas, Aztecs......evidence that shows man was living in the Americas 35,000 years ago?

I'll just repeat:

Originally Posted by tapero
yes, i believe all mankind are descendants of adam and eve

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btw this thread is about the golden rule..creation/evoluton do have forums in debate and in co forums just in case you wanted to discuss it further with those who wish to discuss such, as I don't.

 

[Pangaea]

The different teachings in the OP are quite different. Jesus tells His disciples what to do and how to treat others. The rest tell you what not to do but leae it open that doing nothing at all is acceptable.

If i was drowning, I would much rather have a Christian on the bank who should do what he would want done to himself - save me, rather than have one from the other groups mentioned who should not do to me what they wouldn't want done to themselves - throw me a rock, but does not have to do anything positive at all.

Maybe that difference is only a matter of words. The negative versions are equally sufficient, in my opinion.

For instance, if i was drowning, i would not want you to ignore me or refuse to help...so i would not ignore you, or refuse to help.

 

[Marz Blak]

It is written: Mat 22:29
As for Jesus giving His followers power, it is written: Luk 10:19

I don't see how quoting something someone supposedly said was true a couple of thousand years ago proves anything.

And that snake-handling stuff certainly proves *something*, but I don't think it proves what you think it dows.

 

[NeTrips]

I don't see how quoting something someone supposedly said was true a couple of thousand years ago proves anything.

So then there is no truth?

 

[Mumei]

So then there is no truth?

Why would you say something so wrong? "So then there is no truth?" has absolutely nothing to do with what was said. You quoted a book that supposedly has what was supposedly said thousands of years ago. If I were to quote The Count of Monte Cristo, say, with an appropriate line relating to some discussion, you'd think me mad for saying, "So then there is no truth?" if you responded as Marz Blak did, or a similar manner.

If someone in two thousand years quoted Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, a man who today claims to be, among other things, the reincarnation of Jesus, would you take him seriously? The man is, if nothing else, a bit deranged. But he claims everything he says is true. He has as much proof of his claims as you do of your claims that that what the Bible says is true.

I just don't get where you make your jumps in logic. A similar conversation would be:

Person A: I believe that peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are better on sourdough bread.
Person B: So then you believe that you should kill your neighbor's wife?

... The response of Person B (in this case, you) has absolutely nothing to do with what Person A said, nor is there any reason for you to have made the response that you did.
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[Marz Blak]

So then there is no truth?

My answer to that question would depend on how one defines 'truth,' but in any event I don't see its relevance to our discussion. Can you elaborate?

 

[Mumei]

My answer to that question would depend on how one defines 'truth,' but in any event I don't see its relevance to our discussion. Can you elaborate?

You believe that rabbits are better carrot eaters than chipmunks?!

 

[Marz Blak]

In general, yes. Bigger teeth and all that.

OTOH, chipmunks are burrowing animals and (North American) rabbits are not, so chipmunks might be more adept at excavating the carrots.

Yet again, it depends on what sort of rabbit one is talking about. European rabbits, e.g., are burrowing animals and so might be even more adept at excavating carrots than chipmunks are, being larger.

So I guess again the answer to the question depends, both on what sort of rabbit one might be considering for comparison, and how one defines carrot-eating facility.

 

[Phred]

So then there is no truth?

There is... but it's not what you think it is.