The Globe

[prodromos]

Yes but as the sun sets it doesn't just disappear it is still traveling our skies to another location creating sunrise else where.

If the earth was flat, the sun would never disappear. Just like if someone shines a torch at you at night from a couple of miles away. It will not illuminate where you are standing, but you can clearly see the light.

 

[David Lamb]

What orbit, the earth does not orbit, it never has & never will.

Another statement with no evidence. If the earth does not revolve, explain why the sun rises and sets, rather than just getting smaller and smaller as night approaches, then larger and larger after dawn.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes it does, have you never been by the sea on a stormy day ?

Record the sound it makes, then go to a zoo and record the roar of a lion.
How similar are they?

 

[Strong in Him]

What orbit, the earth does not orbit, it never has & never will.

That comment just makes you appear uneducated - or ridiculous.
Things don't stop happening because you fail to believe them. The earth was orbiting around the sun long before your great grandparents were even born.

 

[Strong in Him]

You see David I have a tendency to believe God, and when he says ' it shall never be moved ' I believe him.

It will never BE moved - by anyone or anything.
Does not mean that it cannot, itself, move.

And we believe God too, so don't even try to imply otherwise.

 

[Strong in Him]

You have no basis on which to claim TFE is nonsense, once again demonstrating your complete absence of rational thought.

Except that her beloved Dean Odle didn't go on the trip and he has called it a fake.

@Apple Sky was excited to learn that Dean had been offered a free ticket to Antarctica and she was going to follow the experiment with interest. Then she decided not to.

 

[Phil G]

I thought I had.

No you haven't. How does saying the word "perspective" explain how perspective works?

You obviously haven't a clue about it.

As @David Lamb has said, the greater the distance an object is from you, the smaller it will appear. That's what perspective does.

If the earth is flat and the sun rotates in the sky above us, moving further away after noon, then according to perspective, the sun will gradually appear smaller and smaller in size as night approaches. And it would never set.

This isn't what is observed all over the world. The sun doesn't change size throughout the day. And it does set below the horizon. This is a simple and absolute contradiction to flat earth claims. But you just point blank refuse to face reality.

Such is your closed mind.

 

[Phil G]

You see David I have a tendency to believe God, and when he says ' it shall never be moved ' I believe him.

That's a very condescending statement. It implies that @David Lamb does not have a tendency to believe God and is sinning by believing the earth orbits the sun. And it lumps all of us who say the earth orbits the sun into the same boat.

Who gave you the authority to say such a thing?

 

[Apple Sky]

@Strong in Him, said 'That comment just makes you appear uneducated - or ridiculous'.

I suppose Martin Luther was too. There were many who didn't believe in Copernicus's theory and still don't.

 

[Apple Sky]

If the earth was flat, the sun would never disappear. Just like if someone shines a torch at you at night from a couple of miles away. It will not illuminate where you are standing, but you can clearly see the light.

Unless the light of the torch moves further away, where does that leave the light then ?

 

[David Lamb]

I suppose Luther King was too. There were many who didn't believe in Copernicus's theory and still don't.

Not Luther King again! Surely you remember that you made this mistake before, and eventually admitted that you meant Martin Luther.

 

[David Lamb]

Unless the light of the torch moves further away, where does that leave the light then ?

Try shining a torch in a darkened room on to a disc of paper or cardboard. The whole disc will be lit, although obviously the part immediately below the torch beam will be brighter. Anyway, what you wrote doesn't explain why the sun is the same size at sunset as it is at noon.

 

[Apple Sky]

Not Luther King again! Surely you remember that you made this mistake before, and eventually admitted that you meant Martin Luther.

Opp's again, I meant Martin Luther, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[David Lamb]

Opp's again, I meant Martin Luther, thanks for pointing it out.

That's fine!

 

[Hentenza]

Yes it does, have you never been by the sea on a stormy day ?

That’s the surf noise not a roar.

Hallelujah!

Don’t get too excited. God is in control. The earth does literally move. The language is symbolic of Gods power and love for His creation.

 

[prodromos]

Unless the light of the torch moves further away, where does that leave the light then ?

It will appear as a point of light for some distance. The sun, however, is much larger and brighter than a hand held torch. You claim it is 3000 miles up. The distance around the equator is only eight times that distance so the sun would always be visible no matter where you were on the 'flat earth'

 

[Apple Sky]

It will appear as a point of light for some distance. The sun, however, is much larger and brighter than a hand held torch. You claim it is 3000 miles up. The distance around the equator is only eight times that distance so the sun would always be visible no matter where you were on the 'flat earth'

No it wouldn't, in the the f/e model the sun is always traveling across our skies therefor when the sun sets & night falls the sun has just traveled so far out to another location giving them their sunrise. This is what gives us our night & day.

Do you really think the sun is 93 million miles away, do you know how far that is ? This is just so ridiculous.

The sun circles our sky - Amen

 

[David Lamb]

No it wouldn't, in the the f/e model the sun is always traveling across our skies therefor when the sun sets & night falls the sun has just traveled so far out to another location giving them their sunrise. This is what gives us our night & day.

Do you really think the sun is 93 million miles away, do you know how far that is ? This is just so ridiculous.

The sun circles our sky - Amen

So why does it set, and why does it rise? Also, if the sun is travelling "so far out to another location," why doesn't it appear to get smaller the further it goes from the observer?

 

[Phil G]

No it wouldn't, in the the f/e model the sun is always traveling across our skies therefor when the sun sets & night falls the sun has just traveled so far out to another location giving them their sunrise. This is what gives us our night & day.

Do you really think the sun is 93 million miles away, do you know how far that is ? This is just so ridiculous.

The sun circles our sky - Amen

Your answers are getting more pathetic.

First on a flat earth the sun would never set. So saying “the sun is always travelling across our skies” and then saying “when the sun sets” is contradicting yourself.

Second, where is the sun in the sky when it supposedly “travelled so far out to another location”? If it never sets (and on a flat earth it couldn’t) it should still be visible in the sky as a point of light & be magnified using a telescope. There’s no flattie video of that is there?

Third, why is it never visible at half its size? Or any size other than full size? If the earth is flat and the sun rotates above us, it must vary in size continuously. But it doesn’t.

Fourth, if it rotates above us on a flat earth, its speed must vary continuously. But it doesn’t. Amatuer astronomers use motorised equatorial mounts to track the sun at a continuous steady speed with no variation through the day.

Fifth, equatorial mounts are designed to track the sun using only one axis of rotation. If the earth is flat and the sun rotates above us, the mounts would have to rotate on two axes of rotation to track the sun. The equatorial mount as it is designed wouldn’t work.

Making out 93 million miles to be “so ridiculous” is showing yourself up as somebody incapable of understanding basic physics.

 

[Phil G]

@Apple Sky For some reason you don’t seem to understand something very basic about perspective.

When an object moves further away from you, it will appear to get smaller as it moves away. That’s something you can observe on a daily basis. It’s not “gobbledygook”. Nor is it difficult to understand. It’s very very basic. Nobody is trying to fool you or fill your head with propaganda by saying that. And it has nothing to do with NASA!

If you can grasp that concept (and I can think of no reason why you can’t) then apply it to the flat earth claims about the sun.

If the sun is rotating above us, moving towards us and then moving away from us, its apparent size will vary just as the apparent size of any object will vary when it moves closer and further away. The object wouldn’t be seen as full size, and then suddenly as a tiny little dot. It would gradually vary in apparent size

Perspective means an object gradually varies in apparent size as it moves closer and further away. That is an undeniable fact which you can observe for yourself.

But observation of the sun proves it doesn’t do that. It maintains its apparent size from dawn to dusk.

So saying that it doesn’t vary in apparent size because of “perspective” proves you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Perspective would mean it has to gradually vary in apparent size throughout the day if it moves in the way you claim.

Please try to understand this very very very basic concept instead of just dismissing it out of hand!