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Genesis 1 - 3 tells us the essentials about WHAT happened, but nothing at all about WHY, HOW, or WHEN. Personally, I accept the account as literal anc accurate because there is no reason to assume otherwise. Since the Creator endowed humans with both intelligence and curiosity, He must expect us to at least think about such things. Here are some questions that puzzle me. What do you think?
1. What was/is God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there?
2. How long did Adam and Eve live in the Garden before the Fall?
3. What, exactly, were their duties there?
4. Did they have a sexual relationship while in the Garden? (These were two mature, naked adults who observed all kinds of animals daily.))
5. Did anything die or become injuried? (Adam and Eve understood the concept of death when they were warned not to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and the Tree of Life was in the garden for some purpose.
What do you think?

As of 12/14/03 No one has responded to these somewhat radical questions, although the thread has been viewed by at least 22 people. I ask again, What do you think? (I am confident that some of you do think.) Any ideas at all? I do not intend to argue, only to compare ideas. -BD
 
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1. What was/is God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there?

He gave them an adequate home, with the command to fill the entire earth. He also was present with them.

2. How long did Adam and Eve live in the Garden before the Fall?

I don't think anyone knows.

3. What, exactly, were their duties there?

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.'" Gen 1:26-28.

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." Gen 2:15.

Simply put, "Be stewards of my creation and don't harm it." On a deeper level, "I designed and created you as beings capable of this task. You can do it."

4. Did they have a sexual relationship while in the Garden? (These were two mature, naked adults who observed all kinds of animals daily.))

I don't know, but they didn't have children until after they were sent from the Garden. If they had, it wasn't sin.

5. Did anything die or become injuried?

I don't think anything died (besides plants), but probably people and animals did get injured. Since sin has much to do with our heart attitudes, and the fruits of sin are our actions, getting injured didn't necessarily have to do with sin, but with mere accidents. if Adam and Eve got injured before they first sinned, they most likely completely recovered in their dependence on God.

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scottisimo said:
5. Did anything die or become injuried?

I don't think anything died (besides plants), but probably people and animals did get injured. Since sin has much to do with our heart attitudes, and the fruits of sin are our actions, getting injured didn't necessarily have to do with sin, but with mere accidents. if Adam and Eve got injured before they first sinned, they most likely completely recovered in their dependence on God.

Scott

They also had free access to the Tree of Life.
 
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Indeed you ask some radical questions. Herewith my contribution:

BenDare said:
1. What was/is God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there?
The garden is Gods presence. The Adam (actually mankind) was created outside his presence whilst the female was created inside His presence. He created them with the same characteristics that He has. These included amongst others characteristics such as righteousness and holiness. Mankind was created to be like Him and act like him as well as to have an intimate relationship with Him. Mankind was supposed to operate as His ambassadors thereby filling the earth with his glory.

BenDare said:
2. How long did Adam and Eve live in the Garden before the Fall?
It is not specifically indicated how long they lived there before the fall, however I am of the opinion that the fall took place on the seventh day, just before the start of the next day. In Gen 3:8 it is indicated that the Lord was looking for them whilst walking in the cool of the day. God was not "working" (hence day 7) and enjoyed a late afternoon stroll on the rest day.

BenDare said:
3. What, exactly, were their duties there?

I think the answer provided by scottisimo covers this question.

BenDare said:
4. Did they have a sexual relationship while in the Garden? (These were two mature, naked adults who observed all kinds of animals daily.))
No, I do not think so. We read in Gen 4 for the first time that Adam had sex with Eve and she got pregnant.

BenDare said:
5. Did anything die or become injuried? (Adam and Eve understood the concept of death when they were warned not to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and the Tree of Life was in the garden for some purpose.
The garden was not a physical place with real trees and flowers. The garden is to put it simply, THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD. In His presence there is no death nor injuries.

BenDare said:
(Adam and Eve understood the concept of death when they were warned not to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and the Tree of Life was in the garden for some purpose.
Eve was never warned by God not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. The instruction came well before her creation. Adam should have conveyed the information and most probably did so. I do not think he conveyed it properly.

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Yebo said:
The garden is Gods presence. The Adam (actually mankind) was created outside his presence whilst the female was created inside His presence.

I don't know how you get that. God formed the adam out of the dust of the ground. How could God have formed something without being present?

The garden was not a physical place with real trees and flowers. The garden is to put it simply, THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD. In His presence there is no death nor injuries.[/qwuote]

Again, why would the narrative state that God walked there in the cool of the day? It seems to indicate God's presence coming and going, does it not?

Eve was never warned by God not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. The instruction came well before her creation. Adam should have conveyed the information and most probably did so. I do not think he conveyed it properly.

This is a common speculation. It is also possible that the male and female human had the same knowledge after they were separated.
 
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BenDare said:
Genesis 1 - 3 tells us the essentials about WHAT happened, but nothing at all about WHY, HOW, or WHEN. Personally, I accept the account as literal anc accurate because there is no reason to assume otherwise. Since the Creator endowed humans with both intelligence and curiosity, He must expect us to at least think about such things.
One might say that the "Torah" or the "Penteteuch" (the first 5 books of the Bible) is God's "revelation" to man of himself and of God, and the other 61 are to "explain what He meant".

Here are some questions that puzzle me. What do you think?
1. What was/is God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there?
Eph 1:4-6 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Eph 1:10-12 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

To sum up, your answer is "for God's good pleasure".

2. How long did Adam and Eve live in the Garden before the Fall?
The Bible doesn't give the exact time, but considering that Adam learned by the hand of God to become a "farmer" and also gave Adam the responsibility to "name all the animals", from this alone, one might conclude that Adam was in the Garden several years. It is not likely that Adam was created a "baby", but was created a fully grown man, probably a young man, perhaps even in the state of puberty, since God "saw that it was not good that Adam be alone". My own CONJECTURE as to Adam's age at his dismissal from the Garden is a result of looking at all the rest of scripture and seeing that often there is a correlation between 1,000 years and the term "forever".

As a foundation, I do not think that Adam aged physically while in the Garden as long as he continued to eat from the fruit of the Tree of Life. But once he was barred from the Garden and no longer had access to that tree, his total days numbered 930 years. I find that number very significant. King David once mentioned that the life of man is only 70 years. Okay, 70 plus 930 equals 1,000. Now, say that Adam was the physical age of 20 when he was created, we see that there is also a 50th year of Jubilee that God set up in the OT and it was for the freeing of slaves and returning of the land to the original owner. The comparison might not be initially obvious, or it might be a counter-parallel with the days of Adam, but Adam might have been in the Garden for 50 years. Add this to his physical age of 20 years, gives us 70 years, plus the 930 years, Adams age at death, would again give us 1,000 years - meaning "forever", or to the "fullest" So Adam would have lived out the number of years to the "fullest" of what God determined beforehand. Eternal life was out of the question when Adam lost access to the Tree of Life. BUT, again this is only CONJECTURE.

3. What, exactly, were their duties there?
This was adequately answered in another post, and above.

4. Did they have a sexual relationship while in the Garden? (These were two mature, naked adults who observed all kinds of animals daily.))
Since the Bible doesn't say, and that in their "purest, sinless" state, conception probably would have been in the first month after Eve was created from Adam, but since kids are only indicated AFTER the fall, it then becomes unlikely that they had kids, which means they had no sex. Also, it seems their eyes were opened to their "sexuality" once they sinned, so again it is not likely they were having sex in the Garden.

5. Did anything die or become injuried? (Adam and Eve understood the concept of death when they were warned not to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and the Tree of Life was in the garden for some purpose.
Regarding plants, I think their natural growth is indicated because Adam had to learn to "tend the Garden". This means that a fruit would go through its growing and ripening stages and then fall from the tree and the seeds would start anew. But I do not believe that animals procreated in the Garden. If they did, it would have quickly been over-run by the animals. Also by Adam and Eve "covering up" after their sin was discovered, I don't believe they had observed any animals "doing it".

As for death in the garden, like I said, plants perhaps, but not animals. They probably had the sense to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life and thus maintained their "youthfulness". The first time we see "death" is when God slew an animal (probably a perfect lamb) to use its skin to cover Adam and Eve.

Now since the Garden of Eden is almost a perfect picture of the Millineal reign of Christ where no one is hurt or killed, it is not likely that there were any injuries in the Garden.

So I hope that answers your questions. Or at least gives you some food for thought.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

P.S. One thing I failed to mention, which I would suggest that you give some consideration to is:

Romans 8:18-23 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 
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-They would have had sexual relation or else God wouldn't have told them to reproduce.
-they couldn't have been in the garden very long at all, or eve would've been pregnant already
-they was no death in the garden. Adam's sin introduced death (both spiritual and physical)
-i don't know about injuries, but i would say NO. It was a perfect place, perfect environment, all animals were vegetarian - how could injuries occur?
 
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Crazy Liz said:
I don't know how you get that. God formed the adam out of the dust of the ground. How could God have formed something without being present?
Adam was first formed/created out of the dust of the earth and there-after the Lord planted a garden in the east, in Eden (Gen 2:8). He was present/there when Adam was created but the garden of Eden illustrates his PRESENCE. The Lord made His PRESENSE available for mankind to enjoy but alas, the great fall. I believe that God is omnipresent hence his PRESENCE is everywhere. What remains important is how do you enter His holy presense.

Crazy Liz said:
Again, why would the narrative state that God walked there in the cool of the day? It seems to indicate God's presence coming and going, does it not?

This is a common speculation. It is also possible that the male and female human had the same knowledge after they were separated.
If the garden was a physical place with real trees, what then happend to the "tree of life" and "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"?

Gods presence can come and go as He desires. 2 Cronicles 5: 14 made reference to a cloud which represents the PRESENSE of the Lord. This same cloud guided Israel out of Egypt and through the desert, and was present above the tabernacle. See Ex 13:21 - 22 and Ex 40:34 - 38 in this regard. You can also refer to Eze 43:1 - 5 where the "moving of His presense" is indicated.

Maybe you are correct in stating that it is merely speculation, but then everything in the bible is merely speculation and open for debat. We can differ on basically everything. If the garden of Eden was a physical place, or not, do not nullify the complete work Jesus did for us all on the cross. He died and rose again for us all and that is NOT DEBATABLE.

Dad Ernie said:
King David once mentioned that the life of man is only 70 years.
It was Moses who said that. Psalm 90 is a prayer of Moses the man of God. Interesting according to Gen 6:3 - "Then the Lord said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be hundred and twenty years.""

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1. What was/is God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there?

God's purpose in planting the Garden and placing Adam and Eve there was for His glory. He wanted to have a relationship with them and He created a perfect place, which is Heaven today. Only perfection was allowed in the Garden...

2. How long did Adam and Eve live in the Garden before the Fall?

I am just guessing here, but I am going to say within a day or two. The reason why I say this is because God commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce, and there is no mention of them having sex within the Garden. If they didn't have sex after a year, I think it would have been a sin because they disobeyed God's command of reproducing.

3. What, exactly, were their duties there?

Their duties was to glorify God and to fill the earth.

4. Did they have a sexual relationship while in the Garden? (These were two mature, naked adults who observed all kinds of animals daily.))

As I said in #2, I don't think so, for I think they were only in the Garden for a day or two.

5. Did anything die or become injuried? (Adam and Eve understood the concept of death when they were warned not to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and the Tree of Life was in the garden for some purpose.

Death came when sin entered the earth. I don't think Adam or Eve became injured because they were only in the Garden for a day or two, and I'm guessing they didn't get around the Garden that much.

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I guess I do have a question, did Adam and Eve rest at night? Or, did humans become tired after sin came into the earth?

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Yebo said:
It was Moses who said that. Psalm 90 is a prayer of Moses the man of God. Interesting according to Gen 6:3 - "Then the Lord said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be hundred and twenty years.
Thank you Yebo. Since I knew it was in Psalms, I attributed the writing to King David, but it is apparent that he only quoted Moses. I learn something new every day.

Blessings,

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On #4, absolutely. They were commanded to "Be fruitful and multiply" before the Fall -- and no doubt God ensured that they had a handle on how to do it.

It might be worth noting that Eden is not the name of the garden, but rather the region where the garden was located -- and was in all probability the Al Hajara area in southwest Iraq, which was known as Eden well into Roman times and which was an irrigated, fertile area until the coming of the Mongols to Iraq in about 1200 AD -- they destroyed the irrigation system, and the area reverted to semi-desert.
 
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servant4ever said:
I guess I do have a question, did Adam and Eve rest at night? Or, did humans become tired after sin came into the earth?
servant4ever
I think we all try to comprehend a perfect world (from creation to the fall) from a perspective of an imperfect setup.

Words paints pictures and we are the artists.

We all are painting our own pictures regarding the creation and what it was, hence the various interpretations and points of view. Furthermore it is my opninon that it is very difficult to discuss this period in question and any aspect closely related to it without reverting back to your individual point of view regarding the origin of life.

From this perspective I would say that Adam and Eve did not rest at night because Adams responsibility/duty/ was:

* "to glorify God" (according to you) or,
* as scottisimo puts it "Simply put, "Be stewards of my creation and don't harm it." On a deeper level, "I designed and created you as beings capable of this task. You can do it.""

How can anything that is done to glorify God in a perfect world be tiresome? It just do not make sense to me.

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Flavius said:
Ever consider that maybe the most beautiful creature in the garden was the mind of man inside Eve and Adam was the spiritual covering of both?

Maybe it's our minds now that slither along the ground.

Whaaat are you trying to say. that Eve didn't have her own mind? or that man's "covering" over woman is over her mind, that she is incapable of reasoning, understanding. ???
 
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Whaaat are you trying to say. that Eve didn't have her own mind? or that man's "covering" over woman is over her mind, that she is incapable of reasoning, understanding. ???
What I meant was that maybe G-d created us in his own image and we know him as Yeshuah,the holy spirit and G-d.

Most all the stories have 3 players.I believe that 3 make 1.

Like Cain,Able,Seth.Cain killed the spiritual man with and Seth came.I wasn't speaking ill about women.

I believe that Adam was the spirit man and he covered Eve wich represented the flesh.When Yeshuah became the new Adam,his covering became spirit like Adam was in the begining.

When Adam and Eve fell they realized for the first time that they were naked because they no longer had a spirit covering so they tried covering themselves but that covering was no good so G-d killed the first Pesach lamb in order to cloth them looking forward to the day Yeshuah would come.

1st peter 3-4 speaking about women. 4-But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that wich is not corruptible.

I beleieve this scripture is talking about the spirit man hidden inside us all after the fall.
 
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