THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 9

Douggg said:

Maybe by the two witnesses (who prophesy in Revelation 11:3) in their final 75 days, after the Abomination of Desolation image is setup (Day 1185) and when the beast king is making war on them during that time..

Day 1............two witnesses.........Day 1185 AoD......(75 days)........... Day 1260, the two witnesses killed.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

They may reveal what the seven thunders said in declarations against the beast king...
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grafted branch said:

Yea I would agree, the most likely source of the thunder is Godly and not Satanic as thunder and lightning is almost always associated with God.

But we do have Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven and 2 Corinthians 11:14 where Satan is transformed into an angel of light. So I guess an argument could be made that in certain instances Satan can be associated with thunder, even if indirectly.

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grafted branch said:

What about Revelation 22:18? If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

If the two witnesses declare what the thunders uttered they have added to the book. That would mean the two witnesses have to experience all the plagues, which would mean the last plague happens prior to their dead bodies lying in the great city, which happens during the second woe according to Revelation 11.

This problem is solved if the thunders are Satan. The seal is put on Satan in Revelation 20:3 and there is no specific declaration of that seal being removed, only that Satan is loosed. This would allow what the thunders uttered to never be known.

If someone were to say they know what the thunders said by only looking at the scriptures they might have a case for avoiding the Revelation 22:18 issue but otherwise it would seem that the person or persons that declared what the thunders said will also endure all of the plagues.

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David Kent said:

I would say that the seven thunders were not the voice of God as it seems that John thought that they were from God but told not to write because they were not the voice of God

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grafted branch said:

Thanks for your input on this, the thing that prevents me from fully embracing the thunders being satanic is verses such as

Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

In these verses thundering voices are not satanic, in fact I can’t find any verses where thundering voices are directly shown as being satanic. However we have Revelation 17:15 where the harlot is said to be sitting on waters (people, multitudes, nations, and tongues). Revelation 17:3 says the woman sits on a beast with seven heads. So based on this someone could argue that at this point in time the voice of the waters would be the voice of the beast.

What do you think about the seven thunders being sealed and a seal being put on Satan in Revelation 20:3, could they be they be one and the same?

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Douggg said:

David, the 70th week is 7 years long.

The time of the end vision of the little horn person stopping the daily sacrifice and committing the transgress of desolation in Daniel 8:12-14 is 2300 days long. And cannot fit into only 1260 days.

The 7 year 70th week is also in Ezekiel 38-39, latter days, latter years. It is the 7 years following Gog/Magog.




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David Kent said:

I agree that the seventieth week is 7 years long. It is the seven years ministry of Jesus to the Jews. First ½ year in person during His earthly ministry when he confirmed new covenant with many. He was cut off in the midst of the week but following Pentecost indirectly by The Holy Spirit, until the gospel was opened to the gentiles when Cornelius and his household were converted. To read Antichrist into Dan 9 is the same as when the Jews said Jesus had a devil and was os Satan. Repent.

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Douggg said:

David, think about what you are saying. You are saying the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 culminated with the conversion of Cornelius and his household. Who has heard of Cornelius? Whereas the 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem.

No, the 70 weeks end with all of the awesome and far reaching prophecies of the end times, and the high point being the greatest event of all times - Jesus's Return.

It is degrading to the Glory of the Lord, and God's mystery which he has declared to his servants the prophets - what you are saying.

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