janxharris
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So I've said several times on this thread alone. Does He give all men a new heart?
Then we're talking about two different things aren't we?
Arbitrary: subject to individual will or judgement without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion.
I would say that we do unconsciously doesn't really represent what we are as individuals.
Isaiah 45:18,19
For this is what the Lord says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: “I am the Lord, and there is no other. I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob’s descendants, ‘Seek me in vain.’ I, the Lord, speak the truth; I declare what is right.
Surely, it must be an that there is an overlap of Calvinism and Arminianism where the the truth of what we have been discussion is found? I fully admit that Arminianism has issues too.
The HS is always the HS, but clearly His actions vary according to God's will.The HS of Acts 7 would certainly be different to the HS regeneration that Reformed Theology speaks of, yes. However, the HS is the HS.
The HS is always the HS, but clearly His actions vary according to God's will.
Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Not just Reformed Theology is it?
It's resistible.
God always tells people to seek Him, but they will not.
So you can stop God from giving it to you?
Yes I can.Ok, I can't, as yet, explain Ezekiel 36 on its own.
Can you explain Deuteronomy 30?
No, they won't seek.So they seek in vain?
I have not said to Jacobs descendants, Seek me in vain.
Nice try but no cigars. Prevenient grace is exactly as the Scriptures describe in Titus 2:11,
It has nothing whatsoever to do with being the equivalent of dragging anyone. ALL PEOPLE means ALL PEOPLE in Titus 2:11 and God's prevenient grace has appeared to ALL PEOPLE. When will you ever get it that this has nothing to do with your understanding of irresistible grace?
Oz
Janx said of prevenient grace 'It's resistible' and you have the audacity to falsely represent what I wrote. I have never EVER said that prevenient grace is NOT resistible. You again distort and invent what I did not write. Please quit your misrepresentation of my position.
As there are multiple millions of people in the world and have been throughout human history who have not received Christ's salvation, will you please get my understanding as clear as crystal: Prevenient grace IS resistible, even though it HAS APPEARED to all people. That's Bible! And it's found in Titus 2:11.
Oz
Yes I can.
No, they won't seek.
If we can't help but receive it, then it's irresistible.
Will or did? When? How did their stony, unrepentant hearts change, and where does it say they did? I'm not too hot on the OT, so help me out.Yes they will.
You have to separate Titus 2:11 from the previous 10 verses to come to that conclusion. That's the major flaw in synergism. You have to take single verses out of context. Rarely do I see whole passages quoted.
While we're talking about Acts 7:51 can you incorporate the bit where it says "...you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you," into your answer to my previous question?Irresistible influence but not an irresistible outcome. Acts 7:51.
If the influence is irresistible then the outcome will be too, otherwise the influence is impotent.Irresistible influence but not an irresistible outcome. Acts 7:51.
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