The "Free Will" Dilemma

[guuila]

In the Horton/Olsen discussion, Olsen admitted that prevenient grace is implicit, not explicit.

Kind of like paedobaptism I guess.

 

[Hammster]

Kind of like paedobaptism I guess.

Did you hear that? I think it was a can of worms being opened.

 

[guuila]

Did you hear that? I think it was a can of worms being opened.

 

[crimsonleaf]

Well, that was fun.

 

[janxharris]

First off, the Holy Spirit isn't an "it". HE is God.

Agreed. I didn't say 'it'.

 

[crimsonleaf]

Have you been thinking about all of the other stuff Janx?

 

[Hammster]

Agreed. I didn't say 'it'.

So what is the "it" they resist?

 

[guuila]

*crickets*

 

[crimsonleaf]

Well, that was fun - again.

 

[shturt678]

Well, that was fun.

Ever consider becoming an ELCA type Lutheran, ie, I'm a non-modern one?

 

[crimsonleaf]

Ever consider becoming an ELCA type Lutheran, ie, I'm a non-modern one?

Strange you should mention that... No.

 

[shturt678]

Strange you should mention that... No.

I found it strange that you don't replace the "inconvenient truth" with "convenient half-truths" as others do, ie, you must of had some kind of Lutheran background? I was in error again. Thank you anyway.

 

[crimsonleaf]

I found it strange that you don't replace the "inconvenient truth" with "convenient half-truths" as others do, ie, you must of had some kind of Lutheran background? I was in error again. Thank you anyway.

A pleasure. 23 years an Anglican, 11 years an atheist and now Reformed Baptist, hopefully ongoing.

On your main point though, I've not seen any fudging from anyone claiming to be both reformed AND Baptist on this or any other thread. Food for thought perhaps.

 

[shturt678]

A pleasure. 23 years an Anglican, 11 years an atheist and now Reformed Baptist, hopefully ongoing.

On your main point though, I've not seen any fudging from anyone claiming to be both reformed AND Baptist on this or any other thread. Food for thought perhaps.

I could be in error again, but until one realizes that no one has the power to apply oneself to the things that make for salvation, ie, all happens by necessity (dealing with salvation), eg, Rom.8:29, resulting in all having an "enslaved-will" ergo "grace" is irresistable (cannot be rejected), however does have it's limits, there sure has been a fudge like taste from your camp. Great thread, I have enjoyed.

 

[Hammster]

I could be in error again, but until one realizes that no one has the power to apply oneself to the things that make for salvation, ie, all happens by necessity (dealing with salvation), eg, Rom.8:29, resulting in all having an "enslaved-will" ergo "grace" is irresistable (cannot be rejected), however does have it's limits, there sure has been a fudge like taste from your camp. Great thread, I have enjoyed.

Huh?

 

[shturt678]

Huh?

Interjections are always good, great! Have to run others to their doctor appointments and meds., but will be back. While I'm away, I would like you to be aligning your will with God's will, or maybe I should be free to do this?

 

[Hammster]

Interjections are always good, great! Have to run others to their doctor appointments and meds., but will be back. While I'm away, I would like you to be aligning your will with God's will, or maybe I should be free to do this?

I'm sorry, but your posts make no sense. It seems that you are flaming the reformed folk. Maybe you should try being a bit less cryptic.

 

[guuila]

I'm sorry, but your posts make no sense. It seems that you are flaming the reformed folk. Maybe you should try being a bit less cryptic.

+1 I seriously have no clue what he's talking about.

 

[elman]

If you can show me a verse that says that, I'll believe it.

I have shown you verses that says the righteous can turn to wickedness and die and you refused to believe it.

 

[Brother Chris]

I have shown you verses that says the righteous can turn to wickedness and die and you refused to believe it.

you keep quoting Ezekial which has nothing to do with the new covenant. That proves nothing. Tell us, are you going to turn from righteousness to wickedness in the future? If you say "no", how are you so sure?