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From "The Hunt for the Fourth Cup" by Scott Hahn:

Further reading:
catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp

For a video presentation of this topic, see the4thcup.com
 

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He's not in the seminary. Scott Hahn is a prof at Franciscan University.
I think we should let him answer for himself, MrPolo,
The preacher happened to be a fine Scripture scholar as well as one of my favorite seminary professors, so I was taken aback when he proceeded to show quite convincingly that Jesus could not have meant that.
I repeat: what's the name of his seminary professor?
 
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Rebecca,

Thank you for sharing this. Regardless of Mr. Hahn's specific affiliation history, he appears correct to me regarding Messiah's completion / fulfillment of the Passover.

Was it asked when this occurred historically? In 33CE Passover and the weekly seventh day sabbath aligned as described in the eye witness accounts to the crucifixion.

Indeed the Passover Seder as calculated in the Torah appears to be the most appropriate time to remember His fulfillment. Also the accompanying fulfillment of Unleavened Bread and FirstFruits aka the Third Day risen appearances similarly recognized on the time-frame the Torah prescribes and Messiah accomplished in 33CE.

Respectfully,
-Yada Yah
 
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At Jewish Calendar, Hebrew Date Converter, Holidays - hebcal.com 30 AD shows up as a better fit.
 
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Hello Visionary,

I think you should know that I once checked into this site when exploring exactly this question and noticed their rather significant waring:

Once you make this correction, it appears that 33CE matches the evidence.


Consider wikipedia's article on Good Friday where you find:

I hope that this is has been helpful. FWIW, you can find adjusted calendars for this period such as at:

April 33 Calendar – Israel

I hope that the link works.

Respectfully,
-Yada Yah
 
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Do you think that this chapter from one of the more impressive apocryphal writings may fit with this?

The Books of Adam and Eve

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Hello Visionary,

I think you should know that I once checked into this site when exploring exactly this question and noticed their rather significant waring:

The ten day correction is only applicable if one is attempting to correlate a date with the Julian calendar. It is the Julian calendar which calculates the year as 365 1/4 days long, short by a few minutes causing the Julian calendar to lose 1 day every 131 years. At the time of the institution of the Gregorian calendar the Julian was lagging 10 days behind the seasons. It is currently 13 days behind the seasons. The Gregorian calendar corrected this problem and can be extrapolated backwards to arrive at more accurate dates although even the Gregorian calendar is not exact.



The link works but it shows Nisan 15, the day Jesus was crucified, falling on a Sabbath rather than a Friday.

With the wide discrepancies in calendars perhaps other data would be more reliable to determine these dates.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 
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From "The Hunt for the Fourth Cup" by Scott Hahn:

Further reading:
catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp

For a video presentation of this topic, see the4thcup.com
One minor detail. . .the blood of the lamb had to be smeared on one's doorpost to escape the angel of death.

I can't disagree with your post, in light of the OT Fellowship offering, where the benefits of the sacrifice were applied in eating the sacrificial meal of the flesh of the sacrifice, thereby completing the sacrifice.

It is the pattern (shadow) of the Lord's Supper, where the bread and wine are the NT sacrificial meal in which the benefits of Christ's sacrifice are applied by faith.
 
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What is being alluded to.. is there is more the story... God isn't finished yet.
 
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What is being alluded to.. is there is more the story... God isn't finished yet.
I think Scripture shows a whole lot more than that is being alluded to:

1) Ex 12:3-11 - where the lamb was slaughtered in sacrifice, its blood smeared on the doorpost, and its flesh eaten in a sacrificial meal, wherein the benefits of the sacrifice were received.

2) Ex 24:4-11 - where the young bulls were slaughtered in sacrifice, their blood sprinkled on the people (v.8), and the flesh of the sacrifice was eaten in a covenant meal, wherein the benefits of the covenant (fellowship with God--Dt 26:18) were received (Ex 24:9-11).

3) Lev 3 (also 7:14-21, 19:5-8), where the purpose of the Peace or Fellowship offering was threefold: peace with God, thanksgiving to God, and fellowship with God and the priest who offered it. Some of the flesh of the sacrifice was taken home, cooked and eaten in a sacrificial meal, with the priest eating his portion at the Temple, and wherein the benefits(peace, restoration, fellowship with God and the priest) of the sacrifice were received.

4) 1Co 10:16 - where Paul states that consumption of the NT sacrificial meal of bread and wine is a participation in the benefits of Christ's sacrificed body and shed blood.

So the Scriptures rather clearly show that what is alluded to is that
  1. the sacrifice,
  2. its consumption in a sacrificial meal, and
  3. receiving (taking within oneself) the benefits of the sacrifice
are one saving event, comprised of three elements, all of which are necessary for its completion.

Jesus said, "It is finished," when the three elements of
  • participation in the NT sacrificial meal of bread and wine,
  • the offering of himself in sacrifice,
  • and its benefits now being received by his disciples
were accomplished and the one saving event was now completed.
 
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When you finish one course, are you really finished when there are more courses coming? Yeshua finished the Passover course... but there are more courses in the feasts... Those that are completed with His first coming are the spring feasts.. ending in Pentecost... so now we have three more courses and His second coming to look forward to.. "to come" something to look forward to.. when Yeshua finishes with these courses and heaven rings out ... IT IS DONE.

Revelation 16:17
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
 
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And even in that it will just be beginning!!
 
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