The Four Horsemen and Palestine

[Barraco]

Flags the colors of the Four Horsemen:
White, Red, Black, Green

Afghanistan
Iraq
Jordan
Kenya
Kuwait
Palestine
Sudan
Syria
U.A.E.

Lebanon is white, red, and green - no black.

Palestine is the territory in which Israel lives. God has not abandoned His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He has not replaced Israel.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Palestine is the territory in which Israel lives. God has not abandoned His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He has not replaced Israel.

How do you feel about your Arab-Palestinian brothers and sisters who are violently attacked, bombed, gunned down, killed, and have their land and homes stolen by the occupying forces of the Israeli government?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Barraco]

How do you feel about your Arab-Palestinian brothers and sisters who are violently attacked, bombed, gunned down, killed, and have their land and homes stolen by the occupying forces of the Israeli government?

-CryptoLutheran

How do you think I feel?

 

[Barraco]

How do you feel about your Arab-Palestinian brothers and sisters who are violently attacked, bombed, gunned down, killed, and have their land and homes stolen by the occupying forces of the Israeli government?

-CryptoLutheran

The loss of life is immeasurably sad. I pray for all the Arabs day and night, but especially those who provoke the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by cursing His people and resisting God’s promises. This has never been about land for the Islamists. Jerusalem itself was sparsely populated when Britain got Mandate of Palestine. This is about them not wanting the Jews anywhere near. It’s been racially and religiously motivated from the offset. Additionally, this was all foretold thousands of years ago.

I think too many people buy into the Bismarckian peace model. They think that keeping one nation from becoming too big will keep peace in the world. It didn’t work in WWI, or in WWII. Thats is primarily because God is actively bringing about His kingdom. Did anyone think it wasn’t going to be bloody and devastating? Find me one prophecy where God’s peace doesn’t come from the turmoil and judgment of the nations. Even Jesus had to die on the cross to remove the enmity between man and God.

Peter sought to stop God’s plan because of his zeal for his people, but Jesus called him out for it. Remember why God sent Israel to displace the Philistines and Canaanites? It was because of their iniquity. But then Israel became proud and worldly, committing idolatry and injustice. I fully expect this pattern to repeat. Only this time, I believe the Jews will finally learn to seek God as their king rather than one of their choosing.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The loss of life is immeasurably sad.

Is it wrong?

I pray for all the Arabs day and night, but especially those who provoke the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by cursing His people and resisting God’s promises.

Are your Arab Christian brothers and sisters God's people?
How are they provoking God?
Is it wrong that there have been Christians living in Palestine for the last two thousand years? These are Christians who have been living there since the days of the Apostles. The history of Palestinians as a people is a long complicated history involving a cosmopolitan people who have been affected by two thousand years of having different powers in control. But they have been practicing the faith, believing in the Savior, from the very beginning. This is literally the OLDEST community of Christians on the planet.

What have they done wrong? Breathe? Be born? Not give up their ancestral home to an invading occupying force?

This has never been about land for the Islamists.

Why are you bringing up "Islamists"? First of all, the term is Muslim, not Islamist. But I haven't mentioned Muslims--I mentioned Christians. I mentioned your brothers and sisters.

Jerusalem itself was sparsely populated when Britain got Mandate of Palestine. This is about them not wanting the Jews anywhere near. It’s been racially and religiously motivated from the offset. Additionally, this was all foretold thousands of years ago.

I think too many people buy into the Bismarckian peace model. They think that keeping one nation from becoming too big will keep peace in the world. It didn’t work in WWI, or in WWII. Thats is primarily because God is actively bringing about His kingdom. Did anyone think it wasn’t going to be bloody and devastating? Find me one prophecy where God’s peace doesn’t come from the turmoil and judgment of the nations. Even Jesus had to die on the cross to remove the enmity between man and God.

Peter sought to stop God’s plan because of his zeal for his people, but Jesus called him out for it. Remember why God sent Israel to displace the Philistines and Canaanites? It was because of their iniquity. But then Israel became proud and worldly, committing idolatry and injustice. I fully expect this pattern to repeat. Only this time, I believe the Jews will finally learn to seek God as their king rather than one of their choosing.

Do you condemn the unjust murder of your Christian brothers and sisters? Yes or no?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

How do you think I feel?

I have no idea. That's why I asked.

But I'm not seeing you rebuke and condemn the evil committed by the modern state of Israel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hazelelponi]

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Why are you bringing up "Islamists"? First of all, the term is Muslim, not Islamist.

No, the term isn't Muslim and not Islamist.

Not every Muslim is an Islamic extremist. The term Islamist is used to make the delineation between the two groups.

 

[Barraco]

Is it wrong?

It is wrong if they are being targeted. It is immeasurably sad if they are collateral.

Are the Christians being targeted or are they collateral in the war against Hamas? Put it another way. If a terrorist organization in your city went out and slaughtered innocent civilians in the most gratuitous way and then hid among your family, what action would you take? Would you flee? Would you fight? What would you do? If it were happening here, I wouldn't be alive to be typing this. I would die trying to protect my family. And this is the terrible thing about what is going on there.

Their testimony is not a peaceful life. Their testimony, and ours, is a witness to the name of Jesus and obedience to His commands.

Are your Arab Christian brothers and sisters God's people?
How are they provoking God?

They are my brothers and sisters. They are not provoking God. You cannot tolerate the evil among them and still seek peace. God is uprooting Hamas, who hides among innocent people and throws them in front of artillery and bullets as human shields. They had all the opportunities in the world to be a blessing to the people, but their hatred for the Jews consumed them. They cannot run from God's judgment.

Is it wrong that there have been Christians living in Palestine for the last two thousand years? These are Christians who have been living there since the days of the Apostles. The history of Palestinians as a people is a long complicated history involving a cosmopolitan people who have been affected by two thousand years of having different powers in control. But they have been practicing the faith, believing in the Savior, from the very beginning. This is literally the OLDEST community of Christians on the planet.

The Jews aren't targeting Palestinian Christians. They even gave territory they won in war BACK to the Palestinians to have peace. Israel has made it clear MANY times that they want peace with their neighbors. There are people in those lands that hate Jews and will take any measure necessary to destroy them. How can you see this and not recognize what is going on?!

By all means, please be zealous for our brothers and sisters. But don't gloss over the wickedness of the militants there. This issue MUST be dealt with.

What have they done wrong? Breathe? Be born? Not give up their ancestral home to an invading occupying force?

Nothing. I feel like you are willingly overlooking things and avoiding my points. Why? What do you have against the Jews?

Why are you bringing up "Islamists"? First of all, the term is Muslim, not Islamist. But I haven't mentioned Muslims--I mentioned Christians. I mentioned your brothers and sisters.

My distinction is deliberate. Muslims follow Allah. Islamists seek to convert (forcefully if needed) all people to Islam. If you don't correct this misunderstanding, it will convince me that your agenda is antisemitic and has nothing to do with justice.

Do you condemn the unjust murder of your Christian brothers and sisters? Yes or no?

-CryptoLutheran

It's not murder if it's not deliberate. Your wording shows your agenda like a neon sign. You have YET to talk about what Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qassams Brigade have been doing all this time.

As for me, I trust in the Word and promises of God. He said these things would happen. So why are you taking this up against Jews instead of taking it up with Him?

 

[Truth7t7]

Eschatology 2​

3. the church. This is called "replacement theology", that the Christian church has replaced Old Testament (OT) Israel.

It's called inheritance theology, the Jews "Rejected the chief corner stone "Jesus Christ" the kingdom has been taken from National Israel and given to the holy nation in "The Church" its that simple

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God, plain, simple, and before your eyes

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.