The Fossil Record- As God Would Have Made It Through Time

[theQuincunx5]

a designer without a beginning.

...so that would be "God". Which isn't really an answer per se. It IS a religious belief, not science.

And very hard to justify by observation, as OWG would have us believe.

That's the point: ID is, for all intents and purposes, just religious belief. If we propose a designer we either then have to explain the origin of the designer or call it God. One way provides no real answer the other way is a statement of faith.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Your inability to address any of these points says far more about what you see and how you see it than anything else.

You know, I really hate doing more thinking about someone's topic than they do. It seems such a gross waste of my time, but it's hard not to do. You see, I have this impression that people actually think about their positions. Clearly I am mistaken in many cases.

You see design. Fine. That's your prerogative, but it is sad that you don't seem to really have thought much about it. Certainly not enough to actually discuss it.

Oh well.

I think, and read, about it all the time (or at least when discussing it here).

Human eye - Wikipedia

Side-view of the human eye, viewed approximately 90° temporal, illustrating how the iris and pupil appear rotated towards the viewer due to the optical properties of the cornea and the aqueous humor.

Schematic diagram of the human eye. It shows a horizontal section through the right eye.

Fantastic design, the eye.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

@OldWiseGuy, are you going to answer my questions anytime soon?

Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.
And:
You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

And PLEASE answer both.

 

[Jjmcubbin]

I think, and read, about it all the time (or at least when discussing it here).

Human eye - Wikipedia

Side-view of the human eye, viewed approximately 90° temporal, illustrating how the iris and pupil appear rotated towards the viewer due to the optical properties of the cornea and the aqueous humor.

Schematic diagram of the human eye. It shows a horizontal section through the right eye.

Fantastic design, the eye.

Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia
It's the usual stuff, Euglena, Planaria, analogous eyes of cephalopods, etc.
Also, do you know what half of the stuff in the labeled diagram even means?

 

[Jjmcubbin]

I think, and read, about it all the time (or at least when discussing it here).

Human eye - Wikipedia

Side-view of the human eye, viewed approximately 90° temporal, illustrating how the iris and pupil appear rotated towards the viewer due to the optical properties of the cornea and the aqueous humor.

Schematic diagram of the human eye. It shows a horizontal section through the right eye.

Fantastic design, the eye.

Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia
It's the usual stuff, Euglena, Planaria, analogous eyes of cephalopods, etc.
Also, do you know what half of the stuff in the labeled diagram even means?

 

[theQuincunx5]

I think, and read, about it all the time (or at least when discussing it here).

Hey, but thanks for blowing off all the points I raised. I understand...it's inconvenient when one raises points you haven't necessarily thought through and probably the best and most friendly way of dealing with that is to simply ignore it.

Human eye - Wikipedia

Side-view of the human eye, viewed approximately 90° temporal, illustrating how the iris and pupil appear rotated towards the viewer due to the optical properties of the cornea and the aqueous humor.

Schematic diagram of the human eye. It shows a horizontal section through the right eye.

Fantastic design, the eye.

Yes. Here's how it likely evolved:

Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.

I know what they mean in scientific terms, but I wasn't using them as scientific terms.

You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

That's my opinion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hey, but thanks for blowing off all the points I raised. I understand...it's inconvenient when one raises points you haven't necessarily thought through and probably the best and most friendly way of dealing with that is to simply ignore it.



Yes. Here's how it likely evolved:

Darwin's greatest discovery: Design without designer

So the shell mollusk evolved into the octopus?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia
It's the usual stuff, Euglena, Planaria, analogous eyes of cephalopods, etc.
Also, do you know what half of the stuff in the labeled diagram even means?

I'm familiar with about half; the rest I can google.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

First off: thank you for finally answering my questions. It should not have taken as long as it should have for you to answer my questions.

I know what they mean in scientific terms, but I wasn't using them as scientific terms.

Secondly: that is incredibly dishonest since that means that you are deliberately twisting and misusing them.

That's my opinion.

And your opinion is complete bunk since you have admitted yourself that you have no understanding of the science of evolution and it also seems that you have no genuine desire to learn either.

 

[tas8831]

So you are saying that all is known that can be known about the nervous system?

We know that 'the gut' does not send motor impulses to the larynx via the RLN.


Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

That's just one of my bona fide's vs the 'experts'.

Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

I'm saying that I believe that reflexive motor responses that originate in the viscera can be expressed by the larynx via the RLN. Why the hysteria?

"Hysteria"?

Why the Dunning-Kruger effect?

Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

What can I say, I see design.

When all you have is a hammer and a religion to prop up...

Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

Your inability to address any of these points says far more about what you see and how you see it than anything else.

You know, I really hate doing more thinking about someone's topic than they do. It seems such a gross waste of my time, but it's hard not to do. You see, I have this impression that people actually think about their positions. Clearly I am mistaken in many cases.

You see design. Fine. That's your prerogative, but it is sad that you don't seem to really have thought much about it. Certainly not enough to actually discuss it.

Oh well.

In creationdom, 'knowing' and 'seeing' is EASIER than thinking, so why bother? God said it, they believe it, thats that. No thinking needed, regardless of claimed IQ.

 

[tas8831]

a designer without a beginning.

That is one heck of a presupposition.

My only presuppositions are that the universe exists and can be studied.

 

[tas8831]

I think, and read, about it all the time (or at least when discussing it here).

Human eye - Wikipedia

Side-view of the human eye, viewed approximately 90° temporal, illustrating how the iris and pupil appear rotated towards the viewer due to the optical properties of the cornea and the aqueous humor.

Schematic diagram of the human eye. It shows a horizontal section through the right eye.

Fantastic design, the eye.

A rather slow version of the Gish gallop - why not stick to your already asserted and unsupported claims before moving on to new ones?

Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

I'm familiar with about half; the rest I can google.

Right - but how can you be sure you will be able to understand the results of your googling?

You failed pretty miserably with your 'gut-brain' thing - did not even come close to supportiong your naive and silly assertions about the 'gut' to the 'aortic arch' producing 'signals for vocalization.'

But you thought it did.

You are out of your league.

Still waiting:

" If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

Please provide evidence that "the aortic arch" sends motor input to the larynx. Via the RLN.

 

[tas8831]

Hey, but thanks for blowing off all the points I raised. I understand...it's inconvenient when one raises points you haven't necessarily thought through and probably the best and most friendly way of dealing with that is to simply ignore it.

He does that A LOT.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Right - but how can you be sure you will be able to understand the results of your googling?

If it's written in English I can probably understand it.....right up to the point where it might say it 'evolved'.

You failed pretty miserably wioth yout 'gut-brain' thing - did not even come close to suipportiong your naive and silly assertions about the 'gut' to the 'aortic arch' producing 'signals for vocalization

All the wiring is there. It just needs to be activated.

If the larynx needs a signal from the aortic arch that loop is a great way to facilitate the 'my heart was in my throat' response."

It is a great pathway for gut level emotions to affect speech. Vocalization is very complex, else we would all sound like Siri.