The Fossil Record- As God Would Have Made It Through Time

[theQuincunx5]

I'll wait and see if science can produce a self-replicating organism. I'm betting they can't.

Why?

 

[theQuincunx5]

Of course they believe the designer is God, they just choose not to worship him.

That doesn't really remove ID from religion. If ID had somehow arisen independent of religion and the need to get religious thought buttoned into teaching of science I might consider this differently. But indeed it wasn't.

My dad was not religious but believed in God.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how Christians have the "I believe in God, I'm not religious!" word game. Ugh. I wish we could move beyond simpleton word games to have a real conversation.

OK, I will grant you your special "usage" of the word Religious that you folks in the faiths like to trot out.

When I say "religion" in these cases I mean the less limiting sub-genre that you want to now discuss. I mean people who believe in supernatural things.

Again, you are perfectly and well within your rights to believe as you wish and I would never wish to remove that from you. I am glad you have your faith in supernatural things if it brings you happiness. But, indeed, it does not necessarily mean you have the right to call science with which you disagree precisely because it does not comport with your supernatural beliefs "absurd".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That doesn't really remove ID from religion. If ID had somehow arisen independent of religion and the need to get religious thought buttoned into teaching of science I might consider this differently. But indeed it wasn't.



Oh, yeah, I forgot about how Christians have the "I believe in God, I'm not religious!" word game. Ugh. I wish we could move beyond simpleton word games to have a real conversation.

OK, I will grant you your special "usage" of the word Religious that you folks in the faiths like to trot out.

When I say "religion" in these cases I mean the less limiting sub-genre that you want to now discuss. I mean people who believe in supernatural things.

Again, you are perfectly and well within your rights to believe as you wish and I would never wish to remove that from you. I am glad you have your faith in supernatural things if it brings you happiness. But, indeed, it does not necessarily mean you have the right to call science with which you disagree precisely because it does not comport with your supernatural beliefs "absurd".

Just swinging the door back at you guys.

 

[theQuincunx5]

Just swinging the door back at you guys.

Huh? How so?

 

[Ophiolite]

That doesn't really remove ID from religion. If ID had somehow arisen independent of religion and the need to get religious thought buttoned into teaching of science I might consider this differently. But indeed it wasn't.

There is, I think, an interesting possibility (probably remote) that a species arising and evolving on another planet, some considerable time ago, could have involved itself, on multiple occassions, to alter, direct and further the evolution of terrestrial life.

A major complaint I have against the ID movement is that it has removed that possibility from serious consideration for the forseeable future. The sooner we consign demolish Intelligent Design to history, the sooner we can give some small attention to the fascinating possibility of intelligent design.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how Christians have the "I believe in God, I'm not religious!" word game. Ugh. I wish we could move beyond simpleton word games to have a real conversation.

"I'm a spiritual person but I'm not religious" is a common statement found on dating sites around the world posted by millions of people. I believe these people are sincere.

We need to have a real (honest) conversation about much more important things than this.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Huh? How so?

Evolutionists insult creationists much more often.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I'll wait and see if science can produce a self-replicating organism. I'm betting they can't.

-_- you mean like how it was done last year, producing an organism with a genome that contained 6 different nucleotide bases rather than 4? https://phys.org/news/2017-01-scientists-stable-semisynthetic.html

 

[theQuincunx5]

Evolutionists insult creationists much more often.

What...does...that have to do with anything????

 

[theQuincunx5]

"I'm a spiritual person but I'm not religious" is a common statement found on dating sites around the world posted by millions of people. I believe these people are sincere.

As do I. But I think you knew what I was referring to when I used the word "religious" in this context. So please let us not act as if there's some key point to be made by this wordgame in the present case.

We need to have a real (honest) conversation about much more important things than this.

Well, certainly I believe that...but then I wasn't the one who tried to derail the conversation with some unrelated wordgame.

 

[majj27]

What...does...that have to do with anything????

Some form of "Evolutionists have insulted Creationists, so that means it's okay for me to insult you."?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

@OldWiseGuy, are you going to answer my questions:

Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.
And:
You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

-_- you mean like how it was done last year, producing an organism with a genome that contained 6 different nucleotide bases rather than 4? https://phys.org/news/2017-01-scientists-stable-semisynthetic.html

"Life-like" isn't life. And they must get their own 'dirt'. No fair using existing stuff.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What...does...that have to do with anything????

Seriously?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some form of "Evolutionists have insulted Creationists, so that means it's okay for me to insult you."?

Actually it's nothing personal, from my end anyway.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

As do I. But I think you knew what I was referring to when I used the word "religious" in this context. So please let us not act as if there's some key point to be made by this wordgame in the present case.



Well, certainly I believe that...but then I wasn't the one who tried to derail the conversation with some unrelated wordgame.

It is you who insists on hanging religion around the necks of any who believe in creation. There's no 'word game' here.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

@OldWiseGuy, are you going to answer my questions:

Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.
And:
You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

Are you saying that evolution has crossed every t and dotted every i; that there are no important missing 'links' in the understanding of it? And if not, what holds the theory together?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Are you saying that evolution has crossed every t and dotted every i; that there are no important missing 'links' in the understanding of it? And if not, what holds the theory together?

Just answer the questions!
Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.
And:
You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Just answer the questions!
Do you understand what those terms (assumption and speculation) mean in a scientific article? Hint: not what they mean in the laymen's terms.
And:
You have admitted that you have no understanding of evolution, so why do you think that you are in anyway educated to say that it is 'held together by speculation and assumption'?

Assumption and speculation, in layman' terms, are revealed in other synonymous terms and narratives that indicate assumption and speculation.

 

[tas8831]

I'll wait and see if science can produce a self-replicating organism. I'm betting they can't.

I'll wait for God to create a man from dust. I'm betting He can't.