The forbidden fruit?

[Lisabeth]

What fruit where they not to partake of in the garden?

Those of you that read and study the bible daily should be able to find it. Research the scriptures and pray for the understanding.
I will give you hints to help you..............

If the The Tree of Life was a person (Jesus Christ)
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is as well.
A tree to be desired.
Eve was the mother of all flesh.
Are you not the fruit of your mother's womb?
Adam was not the father of all flesh.
Eve said the serpent beguiled/defiled me, If someone beguiled/defiled your daughter, what would you do?
The serpent convinced Eve to partake first.
Eve then convinced Adam to partake.
Then they knew they were naked.
Eve bore Cain first who was of his father the devil.
Cain gave an unacceptable offering of his harvest.
Abel was born of his father Adam.
Abel knew to give a blood offering.
The Lord said to the serpent, I will put enmity between....thy seed and her seed.

~Those of you that are truly filled with the Holy Ghost, by his spirit, will have revelation of the fruit in the Garden. For it is plain.
God Bless,
Lisabeth

 

[zeke37]

I think that you are on to something here.

There is an adversarial line that opposes the seed-line to Christ and they are mentioned both before the flood and after the flood....Cain's family line...

so two very specific seed lines....one from Adam to Christ, and one opposed to the seed-line of Christ.

I also notice that Eve receives her name "Eve" which means Mother of all living (in Christ we live forever in Paradise, without Christ we die the second death...of the soul) before she "knows" Adam. Before ....

and Cain born first and then Abel second just as the order is in the sin...

as Eve sinned and then gave to her husband also...

Cain from Satan and Abel from Adam.

interesting to note that Eve repeats (wrongly) the commandment of God not to eat (partake) of the fruit....and not to 'touch' it either...

notice the word 'touch' and how it is used here and in the next usage of touch in Gen.
Check it out for yourself as it implies SEX....to lie with a woman.

there are many interesting facts that the Hebrew explains much better than the English translations.

Serpent=brilliant shiny one, and is named for the skin shimmering on a snake...but this one is not a snake and beguiles...fully seduces. he is figuratively called a snake...but is pleasant to the eyes, as eve notices...he is a beautiful angel (Ez28)

...and this snake has 'seed' that opposes Christ at most every turn. They oppose the seed-line right through he entire bible, known by many names.

and Adam and Eve covered their genitalia, not their mouths....covered with FIG leaves....important and connects to the parable of the fig tree.



kenite=sons of Cain, who are mentioned AFTER the flood of Noah's time and his genealogy is separate from Adams, (biblical pattern suggests that even if a son was evil, he still was recognized in the family line. Cain is not. his is separate).

Much much more as well.

So much that it should be impossible to discount.

We shall see.

in His service
c

 

[Lisabeth]

Zeke37,

It is such a blessing to see another discern, by the spirit of Christ. You are on to something as well. All that you posted is true.

Have a blessed day!

Lisabeth

 

[HypnoToad]

The forbidden fruit was NOT sex.

God had already commanded them, "be fruitful and multiply".

Nor did Eve have sex with the devil. Trying READING the account - "Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain." It's right there in black and white, folks - Cain's father is Adam.

 

[dayhiker]

The fruit could have been any fruit from any fruit tree. It was the disobeying of the command that God gave that resulted in the sin no eating of some particular, as say an apple.

I agree sex had nothing to do with the fall. This idea becomes previlant from my understanding of church history after the church becomes the accepted religion in the Roman Empire. With idol no longer being the test for purity the church quickly made sex the test of purity. Augustine, Ambrose and Jerome all had sex being sinful even in marriage unless it was to produce a virgin child.

dayhiker

 

[Lisabeth]

If we are truly spirit filled, then Jesus will reveal ALL of his word to us, not some here and not some there. By his spirit he will show us what the fruit is. By his spirit (not our own understanding) will we know the beginning, the middle and the end. By his spirit he will reveal ALL the mysteries of His Word to his children.

Knowing does matter.

Blessings to all,
Lisabeth

 

[HypnoToad]

Instead of fortune cookie posts, how about making an actual claim and providing reasoning for it? You know, like an actual discussion.

You may also want to try keeping a thread in ONE section, instead of spamming the same thing all over the boards.

 

[Lisabeth]

Matthew 10:26: Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.


Matthew 13:11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luke 8:10: And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


John 14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Romans 8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

1 John 2:27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 5:20: And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 Corinthians 3:6: Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(the letter is the Bible/Word only, through the spirit of Christ in us, he gives life to the Word through revelation)

John 16:13: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14
10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


I am amazed that not one of you ever wrote that you needed to pray and seek God for the answer . Did any of you seek God first before you posted your comments/answers/beliefs. It seems as though you all had your own answer and YOUR answer was the right one. Those that had an answer, was it taught to you by man or was it revealed to you by revelation through the spirit of Christ. We all have room to learn. It doesn't matter who you are, where you received your schooling, what church you go to, your denomination, or if you are spirit filled, we are ALL to seek God FIRST for the revelation and understanding in ALL things. We are also to be quick to listen and slow to speak.

I recently added a post and asked a question "on how to try the spirits"as in 1 John. We are all a spirit. I have tried you.

I love you all in Christ Jesus and praying for you always.
Lisabeth

 

[HypnoToad]

Guess that's a "no" on the stop spamming request - just copy-n-pasting the same thing in each of the thread copies. Guess that's also a "no" on the request for a position and reasoning and having an actual discussion.

Why do you assume that because someone hasn't expressly stated, "I prayed first", that they haven't?

 

[Romanseight2005]

Guess that's a "no" on the stop spamming request - just copy-n-pasting the same thing in each of the thread copies. Guess that's also a "no" on the request for a position and reasoning and having an actual discussion.

Why do you assume that because someone hasn't expressly stated, "I prayed first", that they haven't?

I see I wasn't the only one to notice this. I have another question for Lisabeth. Why do you want to spread false doctrine? You have been shown very clearly that this is false, yet you keep spreading it in multiple threads, and probably elsewhere. Why?

 

[bluemarkus]

pretty funny huh how people can read so different things out of the same story...

 

[Romanseight2005]

bluemarkus,
I have yet to see you answer a very simple question as well. The Holy Spirit will not reveal something that contradicts scripture. So why do you keep holding to the idea that the forbidden fruit was sex, when Adam and Eve were told to multiply and be fruitful before they sinned? How did they have sex to begin with if they didn't have genitals specifically for that purpose?

 

[bluemarkus]

hey i don´t owe answers to nobody, and i just know that sex is the forbidden fruit because it has always been forbidden for me, no matter how bad i wanted or needed it. so when i saw the post, i felt like i should read it, and suddenly i just knew the answer.

 

[Romanseight2005]

It's forbidden for anyone not married, but Adam and Eve were married, and commanded by God to be fruitful and multiply. So, why would it have been forbidden for them?

 

[livingword26]

What fruit where they not to partake of in the garden?

Those of you that read and study the bible daily should be able to find it. Research the scriptures and pray for the understanding.
I will give you hints to help you..............

If the The Tree of Life was a person (Jesus Christ)
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is as well.
A tree to be desired.
Eve was the mother of all flesh.
Are you not the fruit of your mother's womb?
Adam was not the father of all flesh.
Eve said the serpent beguiled/defiled me, If someone beguiled/defiled your daughter, what would you do?
The serpent convinced Eve to partake first.
Eve then convinced Adam to partake.
Then they knew they were naked.
Eve bore Cain first who was of his father the devil.
Cain gave an unacceptable offering of his harvest.
Abel was born of his father Adam.
Abel knew to give a blood offering.
The Lord said to the serpent, I will put enmity between....thy seed and her seed.

~Those of you that are truly filled with the Holy Ghost, by his spirit, will have revelation of the fruit in the Garden. For it is plain.
God Bless,
Lisabeth

All unbiblical. The Spirit does not give revelations that are contrary to the word. I wonder if you will ever explain why you believe that God is teaching you truth contrary to the bible? Again it must mean that you do not really believe the bible. Interesting that you use it to your own benefit, and ignore it when it is contrary to your beliefs.

Gen 1:28
(28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Gen 4:1
(1) And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

 

[homewardbound]

I believe the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were real trees. The "fruit" of each was real, not figurative. Adam and Eve were cut off from both when they were cast out of the garden.

Figuratively speaking there are many, many "forbidden fruits", but sex isn't one of them...unless it's outside the marriage bed. In my opinion, labeling sex as the forbidden fruit makes a mockery of scripture.

 

[bluemarkus]

 

[oldpreacherman]

This old preacher man decided to read through the posts for 2 or 3 days to get the lay of the land here at CF so to speak. I wanted to see if this was a place I wanted to participate in first before posting.
This was my observation...............
I noticed that one of the hot topics was concerning the "fruit". This lady posted a ligitimate question and it was only a question, to all of you? I also noticed that she never officially told you what she believed though you assumed it for her.
You dissagree with what you assume is her doctrine, that is fine, but some of you resorted to unchristian-like behavior calling her a heretic, a devil, a false doctrine teacher, a lier, a troll, and so on.
I also noticed that, though you all have a differing opinion or belief or doctrine of what this fruit was, you did not attack each other. Some of you believe it was an:
apple, pear, kumquat, fig, lies, sin, disobediance, a tree, some didn't know, some said it didn't matter, and so on.
I saw each of you take the same scripture and conform it to your own befief system on many of your posts.
Each of you expect to be able to have and post your own beliefs, yet you will not give her that same respect.
Each time you came against her she told you that those that are Spirit filled, Jesus will give you the answer. Is this not true?
I find it interesting that all of you say that you are filled with the Holy Ghost, but each of you have a different answer.
Jesus did not give each of his disciples a different answer.
There is ONE Jesus and ONE answer. I think this is all she was trying to get across to you.
I also see you have found a way to delet comments from those that you dissagree.
I also noticed that this lady had not been to your posts critisizing you or picking them apart because they did not fit with her beliefs as you have done to her.
I have been a preacher for over 50 years. In all that time I have never seen Christians act this appauling. You have crucified Lisabeth just as the Saducees and the Pharisees crucified my Lord Jesus because they did not believe his teachings.
From what I have observed Lisabeth is the only one that has acted with the Love of Christ. NOW, tell me who is truly Spirit filled here?!
With the way you christians have acted I am ashamed. I pray to God that none of have come out of my flock!

I will "spam" this just once so that all of you will read it.

With God's Love,
oldpreacherman

 

[Romanseight2005]

The scriptures have proven this theory false. Therefore to not stand up for the truth, would be the unchristian thing to do.

 

[livingword26]

This old preacher man decided to read through the posts for 2 or 3 days to get the lay of the land here at CF so to speak. I wanted to see if this was a place I wanted to participate in first before posting.
This was my observation...............
I noticed that one of the hot topics was concerning the "fruit". This lady posted a ligitimate question and it was only a question, to all of you? I also noticed that she never officially told you what she believed though you assumed it for her.
You dissagree with what you assume is her doctrine, that is fine, but some of you resorted to unchristian-like behavior calling her a heretic, a devil, a false doctrine teacher, a lier, a troll, and so on.
I also noticed that, though you all have a differing opinion or belief or doctrine of what this fruit was, you did not attack each other. Some of you believe it was an:
apple, pear, kumquat, fig, lies, sin, disobediance, a tree, some didn't know, some said it didn't matter, and so on.
I saw each of you take the same scripture and conform it to your own befief system on many of your posts.
Each of you expect to be able to have and post your own beliefs, yet you will not give her that same respect.
Each time you came against her she told you that those that are Spirit filled, Jesus will give you the answer. Is this not true?
I find it interesting that all of you say that you are filled with the Holy Ghost, but each of you have a different answer.
Jesus did not give each of his disciples a different answer.
There is ONE Jesus and ONE answer. I think this is all she was trying to get across to you.
I also see you have found a way to delet comments from those that you dissagree.
I also noticed that this lady had not been to your posts critisizing you or picking them apart because they did not fit with her beliefs as you have done to her.
I have been a preacher for over 50 years. In all that time I have never seen Christians act this appauling. You have crucified Lisabeth just as the Saducees and the Pharisees crucified my Lord Jesus because they did not believe his teachings.
From what I have observed Lisabeth is the only one that has acted with the Love of Christ. NOW, tell me who is truly Spirit filled here?!
With the way you christians have acted I am ashamed. I pray to God that none of have come out of my flock!

I will "spam" this just once so that all of you will read it.

With God's Love,
oldpreacherman

I think if you had bothered to research this ladies time here on CF, you would have found out why things went the way they did on this thread. She has posted a duplicat of this thread in another area, and other ideas on this site, several of which have been clearly disproven by obvious scripture, and her only response to that is, if we had the Holy Spirit, we would understand what God has shown her despite the scriptural contradiction. I will admit that I have seen things in some of her her posts that God has revealed to me also, but I am very concerned about her refusal to address the scriptural discrepancies in her work. I fail to see how your attack of us is any better than what you are accusing us of in spite of this. Research her posts and blogs thoroughly and perhaps you will see what all the hubbub is about.

And

Whether there was an actual eating of a fruit or whether it was only an expression is another debate all together. And I haven't hear anyone debating about physical kinds of fruit, as you have implied. But to try to convince all of Gods people that sex is evil is going a little to far.