the flood

[Alessandro]

DG I was not referring to Australia as the example but as to why cats would not be able to survive in general. But no matter.

 

[Arikay]

Alessandro: Just to remind you, your claim was that if you looked at the same evidence differently, it proved a global flood.

Maybe you can show us How?

 

[Alessandro]

How do you know that there is not Arikay, an interruption that is? Better still how did they know that there was no interruption, since all was wiped out there was only one to begin with, Noah and his family.

 

[Alessandro]

As to where all the water went it would seem obvious that some is left around.

Where it came from was in the form of rain not seen beofre and not to be seen again, from within the earth itself, and from the water around at the time in the form of seas.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

MB, how did they possibly know for a fact that there was not enough water to begin with?

Because the volume of water 4000 years ago versus the volume of water at present is the same. There is no reason to believe otherwise. If you are going to claim that this is so, provide evidence. "What if..." scenarios or "how do you know it wasn't like that" scenarios are not evidence. You are making the positive assertion. Back it up.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

How do you know that there is not Arikay, an interruption that is?

Because written records exist at that time of civilizations unaffected by such an event. Architectural constructions also were built at the time. Obviously this can't happen during a global flooding event.

 

[Alessandro]

Thats the thing MB, how did they know what it was like 4000 years ago?

 

[David Gould]

DG I was not referring to Australia as the example but as to why cats would not be able to survive in general. But no matter.

Cats are one of the greatest survivors on the planet, being pretty much able to survive - and thrive - anywhere.

As an example, the feral cat population in Australia is likely to almost equal or exceed the number of humans.

 

[Arikay]

because, none has been found.

Sorry but speculation does not support your claim.

You are right, There might somehow be evidence for the flood that has not been found yet, but that was not your claim, your claim was that if you used Current evidence, but viewed it differently, it would prove the flood.

Speculation doesn't prove anything.


beyond that, they know there is no interuption because at 4000 years ago, the interuption would have happend to multiple societies that recorded history it would have stopped wars dead in their tracks, all records would have stopped dead. New civilizations would have poped up, that would have done things differently, and lived in different places.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Where it came from was in the form of rain not seen beofre and not to be seen again,

So it magically appeared and disappeared?

from within the earth itself,

Evidence?

and from the water around at the time in the form of seas.

There is no reason to believe that the morphology of the earth's surface is substantially different ~4000 years ago.

 

[Alessandro]

Well it could, written records after the flooding would not necessarily have been written a year after the flood, but usually after civilisation developed a bit, thus having no flood to include.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Thats the thing MB, how did they know what it was like 4000 years ago?

GEOLOGIC EVIDENCE!
ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE!

We have evidence that the continents are in any substantially different position 4000 years ago from radiometric dating combined with paleomagnetic data.

We have evidence that the sea levels were essentially the same looking at past shoreline deposits after the sea level rebound after the last ice age.

We have evidence in the form of written records of civilizations existing at that time.

We have artifacts produced by people living at that time.

 

[Alessandro]

How do you know it hasn't stoped everything in its tracks? That to me sounds like exactly what it did.

 

[Arikay]

So, I am going to start assuming that your original claim is false, that you can not look at the current evidence and see a global flood, because you need "magic"/"god did it"/"demons" its been called many things over the years, but its always the same thing, "I dont know, but I am right"

Just be glad science doesn't work on "magic" or "god did it" and thats it, as you probably wouldn't be typing on a computer right now, nor able to go to the store and buy medicine that will kill possibly deadly germs.

As to where all the water went it would seem obvious that some is left around.

Where it came from was in the form of rain not seen beofre and not to be seen again, from within the earth itself, and from the water around at the time in the form of seas.

 

[Alessandro]

MB that is yet your view, my view supports/states otherwise.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Well it could, written records after the flooding would not necessarily have been written a year after the flood, but usually after civilisation developed a bit, thus having no flood to include.

Therefore there should be a significant break in time between the production of written records and construction of civilizations before and after the flood.

We see no such break.

Your claim makes a prediction that is not true.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

How do you know it hasn't stoped everything in its tracks? That to me sounds like exactly what it did.

Evidence?

Or is that your typical "because the Bible says so" excuse?

 

[Alessandro]

Not necessarily MB, how can there be a break, when all that was before it was gone?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

MB that is yet your view, my view supports/states otherwise.

Another dodge to avoid addressing facts.

My view has evidence.

Your view has no evidence and actually has evidence that proves that it is false.

Not all views are equal.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Not necessarily MB, how can there be a break, when all that was before it was gone?

It wasn't. We have artifacts from people living before the time that supposedly represents the flood. We see no gap between that time and the time that would fall after this supposed flood.

If there are civilizations before the flood and civilizations after the flood, you claimed that there would be a delay before seeing new writing and artifacts. We see no such gap. Your prediction fails.