The Flood

[EnemyPartyII]

The Crusades WERE Christian... the pope started the whole deal...

(Crusader ancestor-posessing, evolution understanding Christian here)

my point being that atheism is not a requirement of evolution

 

[AV1611VET]

dp

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Let me repeat --- no one died for what they knew was false. I didn't say thought was true --- I said, knew was false.

Consider Matthew A and Matthew B. Matthew A is with a man who walked on water. Matthew B just wrote that a man walked on water for kicks, and passed it off as factual.

Now they both stand before the mighty Senate:

ROMAN: Did you write this?

• Matthew A: Yes I did.
• Matthew B: Um ... ya.

ROMAN: Do you stand behind what you wrote?

• Matthew A: Yes I do.
• Matthew B: Um ... ya?

ROMAN: Are you aware of the consequences of this choice?

• Matthew A: Yes I am.
• Matthew B: Um ... no.

ROMAN: Death by beheading.

• Matthew A: [quotes Psalm 56:11]
• Matthew B: Um ... can't you guys take a joke?

[bible]Psalm 56:11[/bible]

By the way --- does that verse sound familiar? It should.

Thats fine... I'm sure many alien abductees would die rather than say that their personal testimony was false.

That doesn't make it true.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

dp

Not if you live in Australia and don't have references to God on your curency

 

[TheManeki]

my point being that atheism is not a requirement of evolution

Nor is creationism a requirement of Christianity.

 

[Blayz]

America has marsupials too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum

AV, if you became an atheist, there would be nothing sacred to hate.

Glad I got in before the dreaded /thread!

 

[AV1611VET]

Nor is creationism a requirement of Christianity.

No, it's not --- but again, do you know of any Christian on this forum that believes creatio ex nihilo didn't occur?

Any Christian.

 

[RealityCheck]

No, it's not --- but again, do you know of any Christian on this forum that believes creatio ex nihilo didn't occur?

Any Christian.

Right here. But apparently you ignored that on the other thread.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I also do not believe that everything was created from nothing.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Right here. But apparently you ignored that on the other thread.

I also do not believe that everything was created from nothing.

Clearly you people are cunning ploys from Satan. Cease with your infernal wicked-ry!

 

[AV1611VET]

Right here. But apparently you ignored that on the other thread.

Interesting --- then where did matter/energy first come from?

 

[AV1611VET]

I also do not believe that everything was created from nothing.

Same question --- where did matter/energy first come from?

 

[Soul Searcher]

Would you agree that God is the ultimate source of power/energy there is? If so then that should answer your question. Also note that the passage in the NT that speaks of everything being created by God the word translated as by actually refers to by as in the proximity to rather than method of.

As in all things were created in God and outside of God was nothing created.

 

[RealityCheck]

Interesting --- then where did matter/energy first come from?

Where did God come from?

Same basic question.

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you agree that God is the ultimate source of power/energy there is?

Absolutely.

If so then that should answer your question.

Not quite --- how did God source this power into existence? Please be specific.

Also note that the passage in the NT that speaks of everything being created by God the word translated as by actually refers to by as in the proximity to rather than method of.

No comment.

As in all things were created in God and outside of God was nothing created.

Isaiah disagrees ---

[bible]Isaiah 40:12[/bible]

I don't consider something being created in the hollow of one's hand as being created "in God."

 

[AV1611VET]

Where did God come from?

Same basic question.

God is not matter/energy ---

[bible]John 4:24[/bible]

--- if you can't defend your position, that's fine. I'll respect what you said and consider that you're a Christian who doesn't believe that matter/energy came into existence ex nihilo and leave it at that. After all, I am on record as saying I'm sure there are some out there that don't believe it, it's just that they are a minority.

 

[Soul Searcher]

Absolutely.

Not quite --- how did God source this power into existence? Please be specific.

Well since I am not God and I wasn't there I can only speculate. All matter is made up of energy and if in the begining there was only God and God is the ultimate source of all energy then all matter came from God created out of Gods own energy.

No comment.

Isaiah disagrees ---

I don't consider something being created in the hollow of one's hand as being created "in God."

I know that a lot of Christians do not believe this but the bible was written by men and when we look at what was written and compare it to what we see in the world we see that those who wrote the bible did not really understand the world around them that well.

Consider this.
God created the world. Man had no hand whatsoever in creating the planet, man did have a hand in creating the bible. Now everywhere we look in Gods creation we see evidence that the earth is older than the book written by men seems to tell us. Which should we pay more attention to? Gods creation or mans?

 

[RealityCheck]

God is not matter/energy ---

[bible]John 4:24[/bible]

--- if you can't defend your position, that's fine. I'll respect what you said and consider that you're a Christian who doesn't believe that matter/energy came into existence ex nihilo and leave it at that. After all, I am on record as saying I'm sure there are some out there that don't believe it, it's just that they are a minority.

No, you specifically said there were none.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you specifically said there were none.

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Well I'm sure they're out there somewhere; but I would say they constitute a very small minority within the Christian community.

 

[Baggins]

POST 69​

Dont't be disingenuous AV you aren't very good at it.

You may have said that in post 69, but in post 61 you said:

I don't know of any Christian that disagrees with me that this universe was created ex nihilo.

YOu sunsequently had to change your mind when a number of Christians disagreed with you