The Flood

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2007

dukeofhazzard said:
AV, I'm sure you are aware of the restrictions placed on scripture back then. Not just anyone could read them; certainly not people from other cultures.

And I respectfully disagree. Other cultures didn't linguistically come about until after the Babel incident, which means that from Genesis 9 to Genesis 11, a period of some 100 years, these other cultures, small as they would be, had the Scriptures.

(And remember, the Scriptures then only consisted of 9 and 10 chapters. Today they are over 1000.)

dukeofhazzard said:
It also does not explain why these flood stories omit Noah (if Noah and his family were the only survivors, why leave them out?)...

I've explained this somewhere else - and right now I'm too lazy to hunt it down - but basically Nimrod, Noah's great-grandson, went prodigal and created what's called a breakaway religion (Sumerianism, for lack of a better term). Their Epic of Gilgamesh is a written testimony of a prodigal nation.

dukeofhazzard said:
...and why some predate the Biblical account.

Again, I respectfully disagree. I've had Egypt brought up, and have explained that Egypt didn't come about until Mizraim, Noah's grandson, was born.

This would technically mean that Egypt is Sumeria's uncle.

Frumious Bandersnatch · Oct 23, 2007

The No Answers in Genesis Website as a good collection of Grand Canyon Links. I especially like the series that starts HERE. You can follow further by links at the bottom of each page. Jon Wolf's page, Creationism and the Grand Canyon is also pretty good.

Vene · Oct 23, 2007

AV1611VET said:
I've explained this somewhere else - and right now I'm too lazy to hunt it down - but basically Nimrod, Noah's great-grandson, went prodigal and created what's called a breakaway religion (Sumerianism, for lack of a better term). Their Epic of Gilgamesh is a written testimony of a prodigal nation.

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BC (or BCE, whichever you prefer). what was over 6000 years ago, beyond the date you state the Earth was created ex nihilo. This means that your global flood occurred before the Earth was created. Do you really want to use this argument in favor of a global flood?

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2007

thaumaturgy said:
Duke,
I'm afraid you are not following the rules of the game. You see, AV starts with the Bible being true, even when reality or data speak directly against it.

If reality conflicts with the Bible, reality is wrong.

Check ur reps ---

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2007

FishFace said:
So I repeat my request that you stop speculating idly and unhelpfully on topics about which you admit to having little to no knowledge.

And again, I respectfully decline.

Nature does not interpret God --- God interprets nature.

That's why I say "science" is circular logic --- you have nature interpreting nature.

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2007

Vene said:
The Epic of Gilgamesh was written somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BC (or BCE, whichever you prefer). what was over 6000 years ago, beyond the date you state the Earth was created ex nihilo. This means that your global flood occurred before the Earth was created. Do you really want to use this argument in favor of a global flood?

No I don't --- I use the Bible to "argue" in favor of a global flood.

If the Epic of Gilgamesh was written somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BC, I suggest either the dates, or the dating method, be rechecked.

LittleNipper · Oct 23, 2007

You tell me how old GOD is and I'll tell you how old the universe looks.... The rest of what you say is bias.

Split Rock · Oct 23, 2007

LittleNipper said:
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundreth year of Noah's life, on the seventeeth day all the springs of the great deep burst forth.....

Sure sounds like geologic activity to me.

This says nothing about earthquakes. We would expect to see lines like: "And the ground shock mightily." Instead, it simply says the fountains opened up. This is just one more example of how "bible literalists" read into the bible accounts whatever they like to support their erroneous conclusions.

LittleNipper said:
What about this?

The voice of the LORD strikes with flashes of lightning. The voice of the LORD shakes the Desert of Kadesh. The voice of the LORD twists the oaks and strips the forests bare. And in HIS temple all cry, "Glory!" The LORD sat enthroned over the FLOOD; the LORD is enthroned as King forever. (Psalm 29:7-10)

This is even worse. What does lightning have to do with tectonic activity? The shaking of the desert obvious refers to thunder, not earthquakes.

Split Rock · Oct 23, 2007

LittleNipper said:
I'm sure that there are other possiblities that simply do not fit Uniformitarianist's mold, so that they were discarded for the bennifit of evolution and millions/billions of years......

They are discarded for the benefit of fitting the facts. Just as Christian geologists discarded Flood Geology before Darwin wrote his book.

dukeofhazzard · Oct 23, 2007

AV1611VET said:
I've explained this somewhere else - and right now I'm too lazy to hunt it down - but basically Nimrod, Noah's great-grandson, went prodigal and created what's called a breakaway religion (Sumerianism, for lack of a better term). Their Epic of Gilgamesh is a written testimony of a prodigal nation.

The history of the Sumerians goes back to 5000 B.C -- 7000 years ago...

Again, I respectfully disagree. I've had Egypt brought up, and have explained that Egypt didn't come about until Mizraim, Noah's grandson, was born.

This would technically mean that Egypt is Sumeria's uncle.

Sumeria was a well established culture before Egypt (Egypt's early dynastic period didn't begin until circa 3100 b.c.) , how could Egypt be it's "uncle"?

TheOutsider · Oct 23, 2007

dukeofhazzard said:
Sumeria was a well established culture before Egypt (Egypt's early dynastic period didn't begin until circa 3100 b.c.) , how could Egypt be it's "uncle"?

That's an easy one: Time machine. Haven't you ever heard of Kang the Conqueror?

LittleNipper · Oct 23, 2007

Split Rock said:
This says nothing about earthquakes. We would expect to see lines like: "And the ground shock mightily." Instead, it simply says the fountains opened up. This is just one more example of how "bible literalists" read into the bible accounts whatever they like to support their erroneous conclusions.

This is even worse. What does lightning have to do with tectonic activity? The shaking of the desert obvious refers to thunder, not earthquakes.

Sounds like GOD's voice had the destructive power of an asteroid blast...

MrGoodBytes · Oct 23, 2007

AV1611VET said:
That means that MrGoodBytes and TheOutsider have some real problems with maturity issues --- qv Post 33 and MrGoodByte's signature.

I didn't notice that you made a new thread where you defined "kind". Linky?

dukeofhazzard · Oct 23, 2007

TheOutsider said:
That's an easy one: Time machine. Haven't you ever heard of Kang the Conqueror?

LOL of course! Like how Frye is his own grandpa? (Futurama for you non-geeks).

Stan Lee rocks, btw.

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2007

MrGoodBytes said:
I didn't notice that you made a new thread where you defined "kind". Linky?

CLICK HERE

TheOutsider · Oct 23, 2007

dukeofhazzard said:
LOL of course! Like how Frye is his own grandpa? (Futurama for you non-geeks).

That incident let to my favorite Futurama episode ever, "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid". But trust me, the storylines of both Nathaniel Richards and Nathan Summers are ten times more complicated than Frye's. They are harder to keep track of than soap opera characters who come back from the dead with amnesia six times.

Stan Lee rocks, btw.

Stan is the Man!

LittleNipper · Oct 23, 2007

Split Rock said:
They are discarded for the benefit of fitting the facts. Just as Christian geologists discarded Flood Geology before Darwin wrote his book.

They (some) discarded the FLOOD THEORY because they first accepted the TRANQUIL FLOOD THEORY as proposed by Carolus Linnaeus in the late 18th century. A Scottish minister, John Fleming, promoted it to the British public in 1826.

If the FLOOD was indeed tranquil, then it could not be the cause of the geological issues. This is when the problems began. It had nothing to do with real research. It was all logic and opinion. Geologists then when in another direction and the FLOOD was forgotten...

MrGoodBytes · Oct 23, 2007

AV1611VET said:
CLICK HERE

So a "kind" is an animal at the top of "God's taxon", but you have no idea what God's taxon is. Is that it?

dukeofhazzard · Oct 23, 2007

TheOutsider said:
That incident let to my favorite Futurama episode ever, "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid".

Oh my gosh that one was episode perfection .

But trust me, the storylines of both Nathaniel Richards and Nathan Summers are ten times more complicated than Frye's. They are harder to keep track of than soap opera characters who come back from the dead with amnesia six times.

I'll have to check that one out then, thanks!

TheOutsider · Oct 23, 2007

dukeofhazzard said:
Oh my gosh that one was episode perfection .

"The Big Brain am winning again! I am the greetest! Ha-ha-ha-ha. Now I am leaving Earth for no raisin!"

I'll have to check that one out then, thanks!

I wouldn't if I was you. You'll only end up with an extremely large headache trying to figure out which timeline is which. I think both characters have fought against themselves at one time.

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