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You really try to stir up contention around here, don't you?
So if my friend dies, then ten or twenty years later I write a history of him that does not qualify as evidence? I don't care about 'contemporary' as the way you seem to be using it does not equate to a rational argument and becomes arbitrary. If I were to write about my friend during his life, or about his death after he is dead how does that I am an eyewitness to his life and said events somehow change? It does not. Similarly eyewitness accounts recorded of Jesus life certainly qualify as evidence. It is absolutely irrational to automatically discard any evidence written in regard to someone simply because it is done after said person has died. So no. That is not a given, in fact a lot of history is like that.The documents listed in your cited link do not count as evidence because they are not contemporary. I would have thought this was a given.
Because he did not write himself.Jesus, however, has no such documentation. Why?
Gross.Because we are discussing the historicity of Jesus. Beyond this forum, I don't give an air-borne faeces whether he existed or not.
Very well. Let us take John for example. Papias records that John lived into his nineties. That is admittedly very old for the time... even for now its not bad, but anyway, John's Gospel is supposed to have been written around 90 + AD, Not a big deal. We know that John was also significantly younger than Jesus maybe as much or even more than 15 years, so he was probably born around 10/12 AD. John was also an eyewitness. But as I am sure you know that is the oldest of the four cannonized Gospels, so what was that about not being able to write them?Do elaborate.
Awesome. I have a history minor, and a science major specifically biology, so this kind of thing is right up my alley. I hope I didn't sound too condescending or anything, but this "Jesus Myth" stuff is really equatable with pseudoscience from a historical perspective. Most of the "Christ Myth" or "Christ Conspiracy" advocates have been wholly discredited, or have retracted their advocations.I'm a scientist. If the evidence suggested that pigs fly, I'd open an patent wingchops
But this thread is about a global flood. Remember?I started a thread on this so I can use it to pwn people who beg for outside confirmation of Jesus' existence.
But this thread is about a global flood. Remember?
(You use "pwn" at your age?)
How about you pouters who whine that Jesus didn't exist because there's no "extrabiblical" confirmation tell me how you "know" Millard Fillmore was the 13[sup]th[/sup] president of the United States; using the same criteria that you guys are begging for?
I don't think this is a good example AVET. I would be very surprised if we did not have extensive contemporary documentation of Millard Fillmore's presidency.
all your page does is ask questions, it doesnt really even have any reasons against the flood!
mine at least shows reasons as to how it began!
-Cameron
I have never heard of Fillmore before, but let us do some research.How about you pouters who whine that Jesus didn't exist because there's no "extrabiblical" confirmation tell me how you "know" Millard Fillmore was the 13[sup]th[/sup] president of the United States; using the same criteria that you guys are begging for?
Imagine a structure that, when hit at with a year long flood, becomes the White Cliffs of Dover. That thing was what God Created. QEDExplain how the White cliffs of Dover formed using the flood model.
These two alone convince me of his existance: there is a contemporary photograph of the man, and it agrees with his likeness on an equally contemporary document.
On which page is the photograph of Jesus again? I cannot seem to find it in mine.
[/list]Answers to above:
1. True
2. Omnipotence means you can do what YOU want. God wanted a creation who would WANT Him...NOT one that HAD to love Him but WANTED to love Him...NOT one that HAD to follow Him but WANTED to follow Him. God knew the risks and He took them because He knew that some would follow Him.
4. False - As seen by 2
5. False - Pure speculation from a mortal being who has not taken the time to learn about the omnipotent God that created him and therefore does not understand Him.
He has.
When I asked for evidence for the existance of Jesus, I made sure to ask for verifiable, contemporary, historical documentation.WC glossed over the fact that I said "same criteria" --- and even underlined it; which tells me he doesn't want to debat it.
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