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Most of you atheists believe in a big bang. How did the big bang occur? Nothing created something? Nothing cannot create something. So what started the big bang? The universe created itself. What? The universe created itself out of nothing? Hypocrites.
How did God appear out of nothing? What created God?
eudaimonia,
Mark
The nice thing about science is that it doesn't claim anything as truth until it has sufficient evidence. We can say with great certainty that the big bang occurred. What exactly caused the big bang is still under research, although there are a few hypothesises. Religion just says goddidit and explains basically nothing, since god itself needs explanation too. Science will keep progressing and we will gain more and more insight in the world. Religion will stay the same and bring nothing useful to the world.
Nothing created God. God always existed.
My belief is that the universe has always existed. For so long as time (i.e. change) has existed, the universe has always been there. It never popped in out of nothing. My reasons for thinking this are mainly philosophical.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Scientists have recently discovered that the universe is still expanding. Can you take this into account?
Look it up if you don't believe me.
If you listen to me then you will gain some understanding to how the universe is still expanding. It is gnostic knowledge. When a physical reality hits a vaccuum, that vaccuum becomes a physical reality.
Most of you atheists believe in a big bang. How did the big bang occur? Nothing created something? Nothing cannot create something. So what started the big bang? The universe created itself. What? The universe created itself out of nothing? Hypocrites.
Most of you atheists believe in a big bang. How did the big bang occur? Nothing created something? Nothing cannot create something. So what started the big bang? The universe created itself. What? The universe created itself out of nothing? Hypocrites.
What would need to be taken into account? What would the problem with this be?
I follow the latest in cosmology. Yes, I know about this.
This is not a view supported by modern science. I don't see why I should take gnosticism seriously as a guide to physics or cosmology.
eudaimonia,
Mark
I don't know what caused the Big Bang. Humans can't hope to fully understand everything in the universe, only a fool would claim that we could ever know everything.
What scientist has said the Big Bang "created itself out of nothing"? There is no "nothing". There is only something. The universe evolved from something.
There is no reason to automatically assume that the Big Bang HAD to have been the only one. There could be an infinite number of them. I think that more likely than an eternal person speaking stuff into existence out of nothing. Your god is the one that supposedly works with nothing, not science.
And BTW, if you depend on scientific theory to provide argument for your invisible god, then you could be building your house on sand. Science progresses and changing with time. What if science demonstates at some future date that the expansion theory and the Big Bang theory were wrong and that the evidence shows that the universe is self-existing and eternal. What - do you become an atheist then?
No you won't - you will not give up your belief in god based on scientific evidence. Thus, I think you should leave off offering up science as proof of your god. You must either eat your cake or have it - you can't do both. Homey don't play dat.
If the universe always existed then why would it need to expand.
If the universe always existed then when did it start to expand its boundaries. Did it just say one day, I will create more of myself? No. Because that would give a living-will to matter and energy.
The expansions dictates that the universe began at a point and expanded from there. It's expansion can only be explained in one way, when a physical reality 'hits' a vaccuum that vaccuum becomes a physical reality-an explosive force creating more matter and energy.
All gnostics know that this universe was created by a demiurge.
Need? A living being may have needs, but a universe does not.
But I'm not saying that time/change has always existed. There might very well have been a beginning to time, which would have been the start of change. However, for all of time, the universe has existed.
You are right. It didn't wait for millions of years and then suddenly start to do something. Once it started to do something, that was the beginning of time. There was no wait.
There is no vacuum "outside" of the universe. There is no space outside of the universe. There is no "outside" of the universe. Expansion refers to the increase of distances between entities within the universe. The universe is not "hitting" on anything.
No, that is what they believe. They do not know.
eudaimonia,
Mark
You cannot say the universe just suggested time for itself.
From the beginning of the universe there was time.
The movement of celestial bodies provides the experience of time.
We can only calculate 'time' by the movement of celestial bodies.
You can't say that from the beginning of the universe there was no passage of time because if we can measure time by the movement of celestial bodies now, then before time--time could still be measured the same way.
There is nothing that suggests that at one time nothing moved because if nothing moved then it would be physically impossible for it to start moving.
There has always been movement in the universe; and since there has always been movement in the universe then time has always been.
If there is no outside of the universe then how could it expand.
You know very well by physics, does something expand and contract. If the universe has nothing to expand into then the expansion would be contained.
Like I said in previous posts nothing cannot exist
In other words, how can a universe expand if it has nothing to expand into.
You can deny this truth but it is the Truth.
Like I said, you can suggest that the universe created itself from any 'seed' that you can imagine. But the mere evidence that the universe is still expanding suggests that existence is filling an infinite vaccuum. Like a painter painting something on a blank canvas. If an infinite vaccuum exists beyond the boundaries of the universe then that would suggest that the entire universe was a vaccuum--a vaccuum is nothing. Nothing cannot create something. Something had to have planted a 'seed' within nothing to fill it and make it something. The 'seed' could not have created itself because the mere evidence that the universe is still expanding suggests that before anything there was nothing. Nothing cannot create something.
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