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The Finish M39, deadly, accurate, cheap to buy and shoot.

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Im going to do specialized firearm posts that won't get buried in the general education of firearms original post. Each one will cover a specific firearm and its viability in a collapsing society.

The Finnish M39, the deadliest sniper rifle ever made. Yes you read that right, now some of it is hyperbole but at the time in the early 1940's it was the deadliest rifle ever used by a sniper.

The Finnish sniper Simo Hayha in a short 100 days wracked up between 500 and 700 kills, there is some argument as to how many of the total he killed with his Suomi sub machine gun but most were kills from his rifle which was a very close cousin to the m39. Really the minor differences are that the M39 is chambered for the soviet 7.62x54R (very cheap to buy right now....I mean 200 bucks for 880 shots) while the M28 was chambered for a slightly smaller .311 bore sized Finnish bullet.

The M39 can be found for 200 to 800 bucks depending on condition and collectors markings (rarity). It is a bolt action rifle that is built like a tank and took an interesting route into being what it is.

The M39 was born a Soviet Mosin Nagant rifle (cheap still available for 100 plus bucks) the Finns had tons of these captured Soviet rifles as the Finns were beating the pants off the soviets in 1939...I mean really beating on a much more numerous and well supplied army.

So the Finns had piles of these Mosin Nagant rifles....and Finns being Finns didn't like the tractor works like quality that the Soviets used in their rifles. So the Finns set about modernizing them, like Swiss watch makers they tore apart the Soviet rifles and went to work on the parts. The Finns used their own barrels which really helped accuracy. Then they reworked the action (the bolt action part) and smoothed it out. they reworked the triggers to be smoother and precise.

Each rifle in the end was sent to a marksmen in a shooting range inside the factory where he fired 5 shots at a target if the bullets hit closely to the bullseye the rifle passed inspection and was sent out to the Finns to kill more Communists. To this day you can stil find some M39s with that factory target attached to it or hidden in the hole behind the buttstock cap.

I'm not going to get into terms like MOA (minute of angle) here for accuracy, it's a ridiculous aregument when I'm trying to talk about a rifle that will hunt well and drop a man at 300 yards no problem I call this minute of man and it's a much more realistic approach to how an average man will do with a rifle.

The M39 is built like a tank but each one had love built into it as they were guns built to protect the homeland. They are magnificently made, wonderfully smooth and the ammunition for its is CHEAP I mean wow cheap bit this won't last forever.

As for finding an M39 try Gunbroker it's a website much like eBay but you guessed it they sell guns. I've seen them for between 200 and a 1000 bucks but the average is about 3 to 4 hundred. This is the rifle I'd pick to use in a situation where I had one gun to survive a frozen forest war with where I had little hope of cleaning or doing maintainence often and needed a rifle that was accurate and didn't need to be babied.

Are there modern rifles that are more accurate, yes of course but they are often much more exspensive and not as durable. Not to mention the ammo for this rifle is still very very cheap.

Quite a fitting rifle for Simo Hayha who was nicknamed "The White Death"

Below are a few pics and a link to a great guy who shoots the M39 and gives you more info, it is family friendly.

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I have 3 and yes some of the ammo is corrosive but ya just learn to clean a bit more after a range session. They also sell a spray cleaner that protects against and helps clean corrosive ammo which is mostly corrosive due to how the primer is made.

Just a really well made and very accurate rifle. Well worth the hunt to find one and you can order a crate of Russian 7.62x54R ammo (that's 880 shots) for about 220 bucks.
 
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Yes some of the ammo is corrosive & so a little care is needed to preserve your barrel . . . hot, soapy water. . . dry, apply oil, done.

I have a 1945 Izhevsk M44 I am quite fond of. Shorter barrel, side folding bayonet,
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I like the M1 Garand. It shoots the 30 06. And is accurate out to 1000 yds.

I could buy 4 maybe 5 M39's for the cost of one good Garand, and I could buy 440 rounds of 7.62x54R for every 100 of 30.06. The idea of the post is an affordable rifle that shoots cheap ammo.

I can pick up a mint M39 for 350.00, checking gun broker a Garand of the same condition will run you 1200 to 2000 dollars. If you want a "sniper" variant of the Garand it's 3000 to 5000 dollars.

People who read these posts often need the best bang for the buck, I would be doing them a disservice if I let my personal taste guide them into buying a $2000 rifle with ammo that costs 75 cents a shot.

Yes the Garand is a fine weapon but they are collectors items now, meaning their value is tainted by how bad people want it. The average person here will never, ever enagage a target at 1000 yards. So telling them to buy a WWII rifle that can do so with a very very talented shooter is another thing I can't suggest to people.

I'll play the apples to oranges game with you just to show how it leads no where. So you have a $2000 iron sighted rifle that needs a hugely talented shooter to hit a car door at 1000 yards. For that same money I'll get a Remington 700 in 308 or 300 Magnum, a middle price piece of glass (scope) say a Leupold that's 500 bucks and I could teach anyone to hit within 4 inches of the bullseye at 1000 yards in 1 hour.

Each post is meant to guide people who might not know anything at all about firearms and give them just enough info to help them make a purchase that will fill a need at a price point that most can afford.

Apples to oranges.
 
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Yes some of the ammo is corrosive & so a little care is needed to preserve your barrel . . . hot, soapy water. . . dry, apply oil, done.

I have a 1945 Izhevsk M44 I am quite fond of. Shorter barrel, side folding bayonet,
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I like these too, much better handling than the longer barreled 91/30's like mine. I recommend not using the as-issued steel cleaning rod, especially from the muzzle end, as it wears the rifling and crown, resulting in what can be a dramatic loss in accuracy. That's why a lot of the Mosins come through counter bored on the muzzle end, to hopefully restore accuracy.

Back in the day when shooting corrosive I used milsurp GI bore cleaner for the barrel, and a few squirts of Windex in the action and on the bolt, wiped clean and dry, then plenty of Rem Oil and wiped off the excess. Never a problem with rust except once, when I forgot to do this procedure for a few days after a range session and got an alarming amount of surface rust. Corrosive isn't very forgiving.

The M39's are just sweet as Mosins go.

I've found out the hard way with milsurp rifles to either be satisfied with them as-issued or love them to death, because by the time I get them "fixed up" to suit me, I have some pretty serious time and money in them, so that they're no longer such a good deal. So my $100 91/30 is still a $100 91/30, and it's still a good deal, and therefore, I'm still happy with it.
 
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I like the M1 Garand. It shoots the 30 06. And is accurate out to 1000 yds.

Along with what 4th said it also requires special 30-06 loaded special for Garands unless you have work done to it. I'd love to have one in my collection (especially the .308 version) :)
 
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I like the 7.62x54r. . . . If we were going up market - Vepr in 7.62x54r would be my call. I have a Saiga .308 I am quite fond of . . . but it shoots .308 which of course is not as cheap as 7.62x54r

Here's my Vepr in 7.62x54R with a 1P21 Minuta scope, I've since put Dragunov like furniture on it. Below that is my Romanian Dragunov the PSL. Both are great shooters. Both shoot out to about 1000 yards but neither is what I'd call a "sniper" rifle they are both DMR's in terms of accuracy.

Both are definitely steps up in price, going from 350 for an M39 to about 1000 for the VEPR and 1600 for the PSL.

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I could buy 4 maybe 5 M39's for the cost of one good Garand, and I could buy 440 rounds of 7.62x54R for every 100 of 30.06. The idea of the post is an affordable rifle that shoots cheap ammo.

I can pick up a mint M39 for 350.00, checking gun broker a Garand of the same condition will run you 1200 to 2000 dollars. If you want a "sniper" variant of the Garand it's 3000 to 5000 dollars.

People who read these posts often need the best bang for the buck, I would be doing them a disservice if I let my personal taste guide them into buying a $2000 rifle with ammo that costs 75 cents a shot.

Yes the Garand is a fine weapon but they are collectors items now, meaning their value is tainted by how bad people want it. The average person here will never, ever enagage a target at 1000 yards. So telling them to buy a WWII rifle that can do so with a very very talented shooter is another thing I can't suggest to people.

I'll play the apples to oranges game with you just to show how it leads no where. So you have a $2000 iron sighted rifle that needs a hugely talented shooter to hit a car door at 1000 yards. For that same money I'll get a Remington 700 in 308 or 300 Magnum, a middle price piece of glass (scope) say a Leupold that's 500 bucks and I could teach anyone to hit within 4 inches of the bullseye at 1000 yards in 1 hour.

Each post is meant to guide people who might not know anything at all about firearms and give them just enough info to help them make a purchase that will fill a need at a price point that most can afford.

Apples to oranges.
Just saying! I like it.
 
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