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Well, I suppose from a pantheism perspective they would be compatible, but the mainline christian perspective would be that Hindu divine revelations are incompatible with Islamic divine revelations which are both incompatible with mainline christian divine revelations.
There is no "general time" No timeline in our universe can extend back further than the big bang. You've explicitly rejected considering timelines that exist outside our universe (multiverse approaches) as being relevant, yet you are still trying to say that there is nothing before our universe in time "generally". That makes absolutely no sense. We cannot say that nothing existed before the big bang for our timeline since there was no "before" for anything (or nothing) to exist during. If we look at timelines outside our universe, we have no way of saying what may or may not exist in them as they are causally unrelated to us. In either case, we cannot say that nothing existed before the universe in any coherent way.
No, I wasn't saying that there is nothing before our universe in time "generally". Time doesn't exist before it exists in our universe. That was what I was referring to.
I don't care, I've said over and over I don't care. IN OUR UNIVERSE, the evidence shows that the universe didn't exist and then it did and with it space began, matter began, energy began and time began.
Everything is in it's own timeline by definition. If you are asking why things are in there own timeline, I'd ask why you think they wouldn't be.
All other timelines. You know, the thing we've been talking about. Were you thinking I was suddenly referring to calzones or something?
You haven't shown that there are other time lines. Do you have evidence of other time lines other than those we have in this universe?
I sure do! GPS time adjustments, various nuclear clock experiments, and of course all of relativity.
Do you have any evidence that the fine tuned constants couldn't be any different than they actually are?
But not all in the same reference frame. Consider this, if a ship flies into the black hole at the center of our galaxy (its' big enough tidal forces wouldn't rip it apart at the event horizon) it ceases to be in our timeline. It's no longer causally related to us. Does that mean black holes are not in our universe? Does the ship cease to exist?
I am not aware of any evidence on either side of this question. Doesn't that mean we are left with the null hypothesis...that we just don't know of the constants had to be what they are or if they could have been different?
That wasnt the question. Let me ask again:
