The fine tuning of the universe.

[joshua 1 9]

Humour me. How are these related?

I am not really trained to teach the theory of evolution and when I do try people complain. Basically the various species have to adapt to the environment. So environmental changes causes changes in the plant and animal species. For example, the atmosphere was very different when the dinosaurs were alive. There were very small mammals at the time but the conditions were not right for them. As the atmosphere changed the dinosaurs died off and the mammals began to develop and adapt to the new environmental conditions. Everything connects everywhere in the universe. That is why we have a butterfly effect. The reason we know what the atmosphere was is from the ice core samples. There are air bubbles so we can know the atmosphere. Fine tuning is just natural selection adjusting the species to the changes in their environment. As a general rule the species can go east and west without to much trouble. Going north and south where there is greater diversity in the climate is more difficult and takes longer to fine tune and adjust the changes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

*Anthropic

Thank you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No it isn't.

Strange, he is not the only one that thinks this. I have asked more than once for you to define it in your own words and you have refused. You claimed to be following the definition of others, but I am not the only one that does not believe this. You need more than a denial otherwise you will simply have post after post pointing out to you that your definition seems to be different.

 

[HitchSlap]

So do I. They just do not read their Bible so they do not know what they need to do to receive the best of what God has for them. It takes abundant overwhelming evidence for me to believe. I want results.

I read the bible. It's why I'm atheist now.

 

[HitchSlap]

Thank you.

I usually make the same mistake.

 

[HitchSlap]

Strange, he is not the only one that thinks this. I have asked more than once for you to define it in your own words and you have refused. You claimed to be following the definition of others, but I am not the only one that does not believe this. You need more than a denial otherwise you will simply have post after post pointing out to you that your definition seems to be different.

She won't provide working definitions for her ID hypothesis; ever.

 

[AV1611VET]

I read the bible. It's why I'm atheist now.

Sounds about right.

If God didn't exist, there would be no atheists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

She won't provide working definitions for her ID hypothesis; ever.

Sad, rather than taking a chance and learning by her mistakes she is probably going to play coy.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sounds about right.

If God didn't exist, there would be no atheists.

If man didn't exist, there would be no god/s.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sad, rather than taking a chance and learning by her mistakes she is probably going to play coy.

Coy, doubles down, then takes your comments out of context to support her own narrative.

 

[quatona]

You were saying that we didn't know what other, less special, universes would look like, and we do. There is no need for us to have knowedge of a universe producing machine, before the calculations can be done for any hypothetical universe, no matter how it is brought into being.

In order to "calculate" what potential alternatives there are for universes to be like, we sure would first have to have a basis for those calculations that entirely depends on the parameters and conditions (and their potential variables) in which universes come into being.

 

[lesliedellow]

In order to "calculate" what potential alternatives there are for universes to be like, we sure would first have to have a basis for those calculations that entirely depends on the parameters and conditions (and their potential variables) in which universes come into being.

If those universes have basically the same physical laws as ours, but with the constants of nature messed with a bit, which is what the argument about fine tuning posulates, then the calculation can be done.

 

[quatona]

If those universes have basically the same physical laws as ours, but with the constants of nature messed with a bit, which is what the argument about fine tuning posulates, then the calculation can be done.

Yes.
Why would we assume the bolded part?
And what is the exact difference between "physical laws" and "constants of nature", for purposes of your statement?
And once we assume that all potential universes must have the same physical laws as ours - what keeps us from assuming that these physical laws necessarily lead to those "constants of nature" that they have lead to?
IOW: What do we even base the premise on that things "could have been" different at all, and where and how do we draw the line between things that "could have been" different and those that couldn´t?

 

[lesliedellow]

Yes.
Why would we assume the bolded part?

It's not an assumption. It is the hypothesis.

The idea that this universe was in some sense a "fix", as Paul Davies put it, arose when astrophysicists played around, asking themselves what would happen if they varied the fundamental constants a bit (without coming up with a whole new set of physical laws). The answer they discovered, to their surprise, was that the whole thing would fall apart.

 

[Hoghead1]

I am not really trained to teach the theory of evolution and when I do try people complain. Basically the various species have to adapt to the environment. So environmental changes causes changes in the plant and animal species. For example, the atmosphere was very different when the dinosaurs were alive. There were very small mammals at the time but the conditions were not right for them. As the atmosphere changed the dinosaurs died off and the mammals began to develop and adapt to the new environmental conditions. Everything connects everywhere in the universe. That is why we have a butterfly effect. The reason we know what the atmosphere was is from the ice core samples. There are air bubbles so we can know the atmosphere. Fine tuning is just natural selection adjusting the species to the changes in their environment. As a general rule the species can go east and west without to much trouble. Going north and south where there is greater diversity in the climate is more difficult and takes longer to fine tune and adjust the changes.

No, you are not well educated or trained in evolution, and when you try and attack it, people also complain.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I read the bible. It's why I'm atheist now.

That does seem to be God's objective. He wants people to be in or out. If you are not for Him then you are against Him. There is no middle ground and there are no fence sitters allowed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, you are not well educated or trained in evolution, and when you try and attack it, people also complain.

That is a sad story indeed for evolution because I have read, studied and know evolutionary theory more then the vast majority of the people. From what you are saying the theory is pretty much dead in the water because no one seems to be interested in it. Let me give you one tiny little example. I studied more then one book that deals with the effect that cooking has on the evolution of man. This is a tiny, tiny tiny part of the theory. That gives you an indication of the sort of detail I have gone into when I study the theory of evolution. In fact I even tried to use the cave man diet to verify if evolutionary theory was true or not. The facts are lacking in that regard.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sounds about right.

If God didn't exist, there would be no atheists.

If God does not exist then atheists would not exist either. I have said many times in many different ways that they give a witness and a testimony for God if they realize it or not. He tells us that you are in or out with God. If you are not for Him then you are against Him and they prove that is true.

 

[Hoghead1]

That is a sad story indeed for evolution because I have read, studied and know evolutionary theory more then the vast majority of the people. From what you are saying the theory is pretty much dead in the water because no one seems to be interested in it. Let me give you one tiny little example. I studied more then one book that deals with the effect that cooking has on the evolution of man. This is a tiny, tiny tiny part of the theory. That gives you an indication of the sort of detail I have gone into when I study the theory of evolution. In fact I even tried to use the cave man diet to verify if evolutionary theory was true or not. The facts are lacking in that regard.

Oh, baloney. I'm not about to fall for that. Indeed, this is precisely why I have trouble with your posts. You are continually claiming that you are so much smarter and wiser than all these experts and now everyone else.

 

[AV1611VET]

If God does not exist then atheists would not exist either. I have said many times in many different ways that they give a witness and a testimony for God if they realize it or not. He tells us that you are in or out with God. If you are not for Him then you are against Him and they prove that is true.

I agree.