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THE FINAL QUEST by Rick Joyner

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Andrew

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I've just finished reading his book and found it very interesting. Is anyone familiar with his visions? or this book?

If you think Hagin's I believe in Visions was awesome, wait till you read Rick Joyner's encounters with Jesus, the Apostle Paul, and some other well-known Reformers (I think one is John Calvin) in heaven.
 

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I've read The Final Quest and The Call, couldn't put them down, then devoured loads of the New Testament, which I guess can't be a bad thing. It's good stuff, though people seem to either love it, or hate it.

Yeah I know, anything that is radical will always attract some condemnation.

one good thing I learn from his visions is that whatever ministry we are in, whatever we do in our ministry, we must do it only for the love of God and to glorify the Son. Beyond that, our works will count for nothing (no matter how big/small or well-known on earth) at the end of the day.
 
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Here is something that was e-mailed to me to day from the Elisha List. . .a prophetic newsletter. It's a teaching by Rich Joyner. . .I thought you all might like to read it.






"The Greater Message"


by RICK JOYNER




Last week we discussed the basis of all true spiritual discernment. This week, as we begin our study of the most famous of all of the biblical prophecies concerning the end of this age in Matthew 24, we immediately begin to see why having discernment is so critical.

"And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?'

"And Jesus answered and said to them, 'See to it that no one misleads you.

"'For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.'" (Matthew 24:3-5)


Many have interpreted this to mean that there would be many coming who would claim to be the Christ, and would therefore mislead many, but that is not what He said here. What He is saying is that many would come saying that He, Jesus, was indeed the Christ, and yet they would still be deceivers and mislead many. This has certainly proven to be true throughout history. Some of the most diabolical deeds in history were done by those claiming to be Christians.

It is also noteworthy that this is the first warning the Lord gives about the end of the age. As it has proven true throughout history, many obviously heard the warning, and did not believe everyone who came claiming to be a Christian. Even in the darkest of times there were many who remained faithful to the Lord and were not deceived.

Some have a hard time believing that one can claim Jesus is the Christ and still be a deceiver because of what Paul wrote in I Corinthians 12:3:

"...no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit."

This is true, but there is a difference between calling Him "Lord," and calling Him "Christ."

The Lordship of Christ Is the Basic Issue



"Christ" means "anointed," and many call Him "anointed" who do not acknowledge Him to be the Lord. Muslims for example, believe that Jesus was anointed, and even a prophet, but they do not believe He is Lord. That He is Lord is the true point of separation. Those of many other religions consider Jesus to have been anointed as a teacher or prophet, but they do not acknowledge Him as the Son of God, or as Lord. It is when He is acknowledged to be the Lord that we know the Holy Spirit has revealed Him to that person.

The Lordship of Jesus was the basic issue from the beginning of this age, and will be the basic issue at the end of this age. This is more than just acknowledging Him as Savior. Understanding the atonement of the cross, and acknowledging the salvation that we have through Him is crucial for salvation. However, the full revelation of Him by the Holy Spirit goes beyond the cross to the resurrection, and where He now sits - above all rule and authority and dominion. Jesus Christ is Lord! Jesus Christ is Lord of all. He is the King of kings. The King above all kings that ever were or ever will be.

This is why He says in verse 14 of Matthew 24 of this great discourse:


"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."


"Good News" vs. "The Gospel of the Kingdom"

Throughout the Middle Ages the gospel that was preached was basically the gospel of the church, which promoted membership in the church as the means of salvation. Since the Reformation began more than five hundred years ago, the primary message going forth has been the gospel of personal salvation through personal faith. This is certainly "good news," which is the meaning of the word "gospel," but it is still not the good news that the Lord said had to be preached in the whole world before the end came.

The "gospel of the kingdom" has not yet been preached in the whole world, and in fact has hardly been preached anywhere at all. As the Lord stated, this must happen before the end can come. So, just what is the "gospel of the kingdom"?

It is the good news that Jesus is the King above all kings, that His kingdom is going to come to this world, and His will is going to be done here just as it is now done in heaven. This is much more than just an invitation to "accept Jesus as Savior," as wonderful as that is, but it is the proclamation of Jesus as King - bow the knee! Whether voluntarily or involuntarily, all will bow the knee to Him.

The gospel of personal salvation is certainly too wonderful to ever adequately be expressed. We will be thanking Him forever for our salvation, and that will not be long enough! It is easy to understand how this would tend to overshadow almost everything else in the message that we present to the world. However, the "gospel of the kingdom" is the ultimate message that we are to preach in this world, and it has not yet been done.


No Other Hope Can Ever Compare to the Promise Given by the "Gospel of the Kingdom"


The "gospel of the kingdom" is more than just personal salvation - it is the salvation of the world! When Jesus comes to restore the earth, He will take away all pain and mourning. The lion will lie down with the lamb, and children will play with cobras, and no one will hurt anyone else in all the earth. There is no philosophy, no teachings on utopia, there is no hope given by any other religion, which presents a hope for the future that can ever compare to the promise that we have been given by the "gospel of the kingdom."

That gospel of the kingdom of God is founded on the acknowledgment of Who the King is - Jesus Christ! The "gospel of the kingdom" will certainly be the proclamation of His authority, and the command to bow the knee to Him, but it will also be the proclamation of the most glorious, wonderful hope that the world has ever been given.

This most brilliant hope will go forth during the darkest times that the world has ever known. Just as lawlessness is increasing to the point of anarchy, the greatest authority of all, the King above all kings, will be taking His seat in the hearts of many. The contrast of those who are in the grips of lawlessness, and those who have the law written in their hearts, will be apparent to all.


He Is Coming Again!


When the Lord comes, He will use His rod to smash the rebellious nations. Yes, there will be nations that continue to rebel even in the face of His glory and power. Just as Pharaoh so foolishly sent his army into the Red Sea to attack Israel, even after the overwhelming demonstration of the Lord's power, human arrogance and foolishness has proven utterly irrational in many. However, for the wise and the humble who do bow the knee before Him, His grace, mercy, and love will prove to be even more boundless.

In spite of the eschatology that many hold to, and the way many have taught on the Lord's return, He is not coming back to get even - to avenge Himself. He will destroy those who are incorrigible, but He is not coming back to destroy - He is coming again for the same reason He came the first time - to save. He did not go to the cross and suffer all that He did so that He could vent His revenge, but so He could save and restore.

The true "gospel of the kingdom" will go forth into all the world before the end can come. This will begin very soon.

 
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The Final Quest is Joyner's vision on what he sees as a war, a war which is now underway between those who support the "move of God" and those who oppose it. Those who oppose the "move" are seen by joyner, as comprising the hordes of hell. The "move of God" Joyner supports is the Toronto Blessing movement. Oppose this "new thing God is doing" and you're in trouble. Joyner's "Final Quest" vision provides a chilling background to his "Civil War in the Church" vision.
 
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Anthony said:
The Final Quest is Joyner's vision on what he sees as a war, a war which is now underway between those who support the "move of God" and those who oppose it. Those who oppose the "move" are seen by joyner, as comprising the hordes of hell. The "move of God" Joyner supports is the Toronto Blessing movement. Oppose this "new thing God is doing" and you're in trouble. Joyner's "Final Quest" vision provides a chilling background to his "Civil War in the Church" vision.
Anthony,

I disagree with that book report. :) Can you give me page number and paragraph where Joyner says that the move he's referring to is the Toronto Blessing?
 
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Quaffer said:
Anthony,

I disagree with that book report. :) Can you give me page number and paragraph where Joyner says that the move he's referring to is the Toronto Blessing?
He doesn't say his move is the "Toronto Blessing" yet his teaching fall in line. He is considered within Toronto's Renewal and Revival movement to be a “Prophet” and/or “Apostle".
 
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Quaffer said:
Here is something that was e-mailed to me to day from the Elisha List. . .a prophetic newsletter. It's a teaching by Rich Joyner. . .I thought you all might like to read it.
Thank you I copied it to a word document for later reading. I have often heard of Rick Joyner from other Chistians, but have never read any of his works. Although I have visited his site many times. Thanks again
 
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The Final Quest is Joyner's vision on what he sees as a war, a war which is now underway between those who support the "move of God" and those who oppose it. Those who oppose the "move" are seen by joyner, as comprising the hordes of hell. The "move of God" Joyner supports is the Toronto Blessing movement. Oppose this "new thing God is doing" and you're in trouble. Joyner's "Final Quest" vision provides a chilling background to his "Civil War in the Church" vision.

Are you sure? I did not read that at all in the book, which I just finished reading a few days back. Can you provide page and para?

The first part is about a spiritual war, but it is fought between Christians and demons, and sometimes Christians against Christians (denominational differences/accusations/in-fighting).

The funny thing is the Rick Joyner does not interpret his visions in the book to say what it means on earth. He simply describes what he saw and who said what to him.
 
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Hello Anthony,

This is the first time our paths have crossed, I think.

Anthony said:
The Final Quest is Joyner's vision on what he sees as a war, a war which is now underway between those who support the "move of God" and those who oppose it. Those who oppose the "move" are seen by joyner, as comprising the hordes of hell. The "move of God" Joyner supports is the Toronto Blessing movement. Oppose this "new thing God is doing" and you're in trouble. Joyner's "Final Quest" vision provides a chilling background to his "Civil War in the Church" vision.
I haven't read this book and don't know anything much about Rick Joyner.

I should like to respond, however, to a trend in your posts which bothers me a little. To put it bluntly, I would prefer it if you and others would come out clean and say "I don't like this or that and I don't agree with it because...", when you have a problem with something, rather than insinuating this or that in a rather cynical, snide sort of way. I'm not slamming you in particular for this - I notice it a great deal among critics, but I think, if you will allow me to say so, it's something we should all try to get the better of.

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Theophilus7 said:
Hello Anthony,

This is the first time our paths have crossed, I think.


I haven't read this book and don't know anything much about Rick Joyner.

I should like to respond, however, to a trend in your posts which bothers me a little. To put it bluntly, I would prefer it if you and others would come out clean and say "I don't like this or that and I don't agree with it because...", when you have a problem with something, rather than insinuating this or that in a rather cynical, snide sort of way. I'm not slamming you in particular for this - I notice it a great deal among critics, but I think, if you will allow me to say so, it's something we should all try to get the better of.

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I'm not slamming you in particular for this? No? Then how come you are directly the comment towards me, and not making a general post or starting a separate discussion/thread?

I have a problem with much of the Christian Press, authors churning out books with inventive doctrines, not just from the pop-pastors on TV. But some of the other main liners. Remember how that simple bible verse, became a beaten to death phrase, in book after book ... "The Prayer of Jabez", and now Rick Warren's "40 days of Purpose", good book but it needs to be "reviewed". Pastor's are become famous authors, making book deals?

And everything gets a free pass, what because it's Christian?

1CO 1:12
What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
 
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Anthony said:
I'm not slamming you in particular for this? No? Then how come you are directly the comment towards me, and not making a general post or starting a separate discussion/thread?
In other words, whilst I find it convenient to address these comments to you (I don't want to start a new thread on this :rolleyes:, and this is an appropriate juncture to make such a comment), I am not suggesting you are the only person guilty on this forum or in the big wide world (or by any means the most guilty). My comments were particular in so far as they attached themselves to an example you afforded us, and non-particular in so far as I made it clear I was speaking to a wider audience. Of course, we can quarrel about words till kingdom come :yawn:. Words convey thoughts, and perhaps I did not choose the best words.

When we have to be critical (and you will notice, Anthony, that I too have made several critical posts on this forum), I think we should be careful how we go about it, that's all. Christ says "let your yes be yes and your no, no". I think it is best to avoid guile in our speech. Of course, there is difference between snide insinuations and a wisely worded admonition which, whilst it avoids addressing its object directly, makes its point nevertheless. The critical difference, however, is what the wise man is trying to achieve. If he is making his point in such a way as to circumvent a blinding emotional response that would lose him his audience, he does well. Clearly his intention is to impart wisdom, not to give vent to his feelings. Likewise, I think it is sometimes reasonable to speak generally about a particular vice, in the presence of other people, whilst inwardly hoping that someone in particular will benefit from the discussion, rather than tackle that person directly for his error. It depends how its done. It depends on our motives.

"The words of the wise make knowledge acceptable".

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Of course, it's up to you and others who read my earlier post what you do with it. I find that usually the most critical of others are the least critical of themselves. 'If I could swallow the medicine it would cure my sickness, but my sickness prevents me from swallowing.' This sort of person generally responds to criticism of himself with a knee-jerk counter-criticism! It may not even enter into his head to consider whether what the other person has said may be true and justified. I imagine that is the way most people would feel about my post. Whether I would do any better in receiving such criticism, I do not know. I hope so. And I hope you will give the matter some thought, Anthony, even if the others to whom it applies more directly are actually unable to do so...

God bless,

Theophilus7
 
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Anthony said:
He doesn't say his move is the "Toronto Blessing" yet his teaching fall in line. He is considered within Toronto's Renewal and Revival movement to be a “Prophet” and/or “Apostle".
He was considered that though before "Toronto's Renewal" ever happened. I believe that vision even happened before that Renewal, although I could be wrong. I don't currently subscribe to the MorningStar Journal because I can't afford it but I was reading it as far back as 20 to 25 years ago. He's been around a long time.
 
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