Anti-Christ European The final BEAST power is nearly HERE!

[TomorrowsWorld]

The beast power is the final resurrection of the Roman Empire! Daniel 2 describes it had "10 toes" or Iron and clay, some strong, some weaker. Revelation also describes it having "10 kings" who "give their authority" to the Beast.

We know from Bible prophecy which nation is the Beast already! They just go by a different name in the scripture!

What we can know WITH CERTAINTY! Is that the BEAST POWER WILL RISE IN EUROPE! Remember Daniel describes them at "The KING OF THE NORTH (of Jerusalem, that is).

We also know the "King of the South" has JUST EMERGED! With the ALLIANCE FORMED IN THE ARAB NATIONS SOUTH OF JERUSALEM!

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/will-the-beast-rise-in-europe

 

[JackRT]

I do not believe that it is intellectually, emotionally or even spiritually healthy to live our lives in constant expectation of the end times. We should live our lives optimistically with a view to making this world a better place not just today or tomorrow but into the far distant future.

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

Do you have a scripture to support your own opinion?

 

[Douggg]

I do not believe that it is intellectually, emotionally or even spiritually healthy to live our lives in constant expectation of the end times. We should live our lives optimistically with a view to making this world a better place not just today or tomorrow but into the far distant future.

Jesus said...
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Jesus said....
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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What you are espousing, Jack - is to be foolish, instead of wise. Plus, you have made the same statement in several threads. Spam.

This is an eschatology forum. We don't care about the head-in-the-sand approach you advocate under the guise of making the world a better place to live.

Go to another forum. You are wasting our time here. We don't care about your philosophy in this forum. If you want to live in ignorance, no one here is going to try and convince you otherwise. At the same time, no-one here wants to hear your don't care about God, self righteous garbage.

 

[JackRT]

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Failed prophesy.

 

[Douggg]

The beast power is the final resurrection of the Roman Empire! Daniel 2 describes it had "10 toes" or Iron and clay, some strong, some weaker. Revelation also describes it having "10 kings" who "give their authority" to the Beast.

We know from Bible prophecy which nation is the Beast already! They just go by a different name in the scripture!

What we can know WITH CERTAINTY! Is that the BEAST POWER WILL RISE IN EUROPE! Remember Daniel describes them at "The KING OF THE NORTH (of Jerusalem, that is).

We also know the "King of the South" has JUST EMERGED! With the ALLIANCE FORMED IN THE ARAB NATIONS SOUTH OF JERUSALEM!

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/will-the-beast-rise-in-europe

Okay, I started watching the video about the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong.

The speaker says forthcoming in Europe is a political figure and a religious figure. He is wrong right off the bat. The false prophet comes out of the earth, indicating coming out of Israel.

Around minute 18, the speaker makes a deceptive interpretation of Revelation 17 - by not quoting the bible which says at the beginning of verse 10 "And there are seven kings" - he leaves that part out... and talks about six kingdoms being in the past, ignoring that it says "kings", not kingdoms. THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY 7 KINGDOMS.

Basically what he is saying is that there will be a Holy Roman Empire. Politics and religion. A classic by someone who doesn't understand the Antichrist has to be someone who becomes the King of Israel.

Don't follow Tommorow's World. It doesn't understand bible prophecy. Are you affiliated with Tommorrows World ?

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

We know from Bible prophecy which nation is the Beast already! They just go by a different name in the scripture!

Just curious. Which nation do you think it is?

 

[stephen583]

Where in the Scripture or in any Bible prophecy does it say the Ancient Roman Empire is going to be Resurrected ??? Personally, I believe this "theory" is based solely on conjecture. Clearly it's indicated something "like" the Roman Empire will exist as the "Latter Kingdom of Man", but the symbolism of the two iron legs, (representing the Eastern and Western Prefectures of Ancient Rome), and described by the prophet Daniel, in no way resembles the ten kingdoms of the "Latter Kingdom of Man" characterized by the toes and feet of the image seen in King Nebuchadnezzar's Vision.

I think Herbert W. Armstrong was reaching a bit too much with this interpretation and stating things as a biblical fact, that simply are not supported by Scripture. In fact, I would offer as an alternative interpretation the prophecies to which you refer to have already been historically fulfilled. Understand, this is not an Anti-Futurist position, because Bible prophecy is often fulfilled in preparatory and consummate stages of fulfillment. And I believe this interpretation has yet to be consummated.

In 1947 the Iron Curtain fell across Eastern Europe when then President Truman issued his "Policy of Containment" against the Soviet East Bloc. The East Bloc consisted of nine Stalinist dictatorships. The U.S.S.R, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Yugoslavia, East Germany and Hungary. (That would be the iron). The tenth is the Roman Catholic population of Eastern Europe representing the Vatican State. (The miry clay, representing infirm spiritual beliefs as identified in Psalm 40:2).

It's also interesting to note the symbolism of the ten toes on two feet accurately characterizes the history of this empire. Five of these kingdoms were solidly entrenched in the Soviet East Bloc and remained so until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The US.S.R, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and the Roman Catholic population of Eastern Europe. Both Albania and Yugoslavia withdrew from the Warsaw Pact. While East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Hungary revolted against Soviet occupation and had to be subdued. Five kingdoms, not so solidly entrenched in the Soviet East Bloc. This is historical fact. You can look it up in an encyclopedia, or just "google" it.

Bible Prophecy even describes what the fate of these ten kingdoms will be in Revelation 17:17 where it says, "They will give their kingdoms to the beast, until God's Words are fulfilled". This is where the consummate stage of fulfillment occurs. None of these Stalinist dictatorships exist anymore, only the Vatican State remains to fulfill it's special place in Bible Prophecy when Rome is destroyed.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

What we can know WITH CERTAINTY! Is that the BEAST POWER WILL RISE IN EUROPE! Remember Daniel describes them at "The KING OF THE NORTH (of Jerusalem, that is).

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but Europe isn't north of Jerusalem. If you look at the map below, it's rather northwest.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5843108,31.0773584,4z

We also know the "King of the South" has JUST EMERGED! With the ALLIANCE FORMED IN THE ARAB NATIONS SOUTH OF JERUSALEM!

If the Arab alliance is the King of the South, wouldn't that be "Kings" (plural) of the South? The alliance wasn't formed to combat Europe, it was created to eliminate ISIS.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-security-idUSKBN0TX2PG20151215

 

[JaeMelo]

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but Europe isn't north of Jerusalem. If you look at the map below, it's rather northwest.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5843108,31.0773584,4z

Im not saying he is right or you are wrong but does the bible even make use of intercardinal points of directions in scriptures?! I haven't seen one yet personally. Thats not to say they do not exist in scripture; however if there indeed is no example of them being used in the bible than his take on this shouldn't be refuted just yet in regards to use of cardinal directions.

Failed prophesy.

Failed in your eyes because you didn't interpret the scripture correctly. Click here.

Cheers,

 

[stephen583]

If the Arab alliance is the King of the South, wouldn't that be "Kings" (plural) of the South? The alliance wasn't formed to combat Europe, it was created to eliminate ISIS.

"And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,.." (Daniel 11:40).

As the "King of the South" I would submit the country of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is one of the Middle East's most modern and powerful militaries. 235,000 active ground forces and 25,000 reserves. 1,210 main battle tanks, 524 Self Propelled artillery, 432 towed guns, 722 combat aircraft, 55 naval vessels including seven frigates and 4 corvettes and over 35 costal gunboats. The country also has a modern and credible anti-air and anti-ballistic missile system centered around its' capital Riyadh.

Saudi Arabia has acquired 120 Chinese DF-3 "Dong feng" long range ballistic missiles with a range of over 4,000 kilometers. The DF-3A carries a 2,000 kg. warhead and is nuclear capable. According to British intelligence sources, it is highly likely Saudi Arabia has already acquired several nuclear missile warheads from Pakistan.

 

[SilverBlade]

The beast power is the final resurrection of the Roman Empire! Daniel 2 describes it had "10 toes" or Iron and clay, some strong, some weaker. Revelation also describes it having "10 kings" who "give their authority" to the Beast.

We know from Bible prophecy which nation is the Beast already! They just go by a different name in the scripture!

What we can know WITH CERTAINTY! Is that the BEAST POWER WILL RISE IN EUROPE! Remember Daniel describes them at "The KING OF THE NORTH (of Jerusalem, that is).

We also know the "King of the South" has JUST EMERGED! With the ALLIANCE FORMED IN THE ARAB NATIONS SOUTH OF JERUSALEM!

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/will-the-beast-rise-in-europe

It's very hard to take someone seriously who is over-zealous on the caps lock key when trying to make a point. It turns people off. Saying things in all caps is basically the text equal to yelling, and yelling is trying to get people to believe you solely through volume, and not reasoning.

 

[stephen583]

Actually, the beast system in Daniel 2 and Revelation 17:12 having ten kings, is not the final beast system described by End Time Bible prophecy. This beast represents the first apocalyptic beast system to appear, which I earlier called the "Latter Kingdom of Man" and exists contemporaneously with the Latter Kingdom of Israel created in 1948. According to my interpretation, the first beast system is that of the Soviet Bloc of Eastern Europe and it's Roman Catholic population representing the Vatican State during the Cold War era.

"And I beheld ANOTHER beast coming out of the earth; and he had TWO HORNS like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon" (Revelation 13:11).

This SECOND beast system, would actually be the FINAL beast system of the Apocalypse. Notice it is completely different from the first beast of Dan.2, Rev. 17:12. The first beast rises out of the sea, and the second rises out of the earth. The first beast is composed of ten kings (dictators according to most Bible commentary opinion), and the second beast only has two horns (kingdoms).

In Bible symbolism the "lamb" characterizes PEACE. Notice the wording ?! The description of the beast having two horns "LIKE" a lamb is a "qualified" statement. In other words, the symbolism of a lamb may be more about the way these two kingdoms wish to be perceived, than what they actually represent in reality.

The phrase "spake as a dragon" is also filled with meaning. The Hebrew word for dragon is "tannin". It describes a creature which inhabits desert places and makes a sorrowful, doleful and disturbing howl. Most Bible scholars recognize this creature to be the "Jackal". In the Books of Micah and Jeremiah the howling of a jackal is described as a portent of coming "War and Destruction". (i.e. The Apocalypse).

 

[stephen583]

So apparently these two kingdoms, representing the final beast system wish to be perceived as "peace-makers", but according to the description of "howling like a jackal" (speaking like a dragon) they'll also be making some pretty "threatening and disturbing" statements about coming "destruction and war".

I can't think of any two kingdoms that want more desperately to be perceived today as "peace-makers" than the Vatican State and Russia under Vladimir Putin. However, Pope Francis and the Vatican has been extremely vocal in its' support of an "International Agreement on the Threat Posed by Climate Change" (The Climate Change Agreement was passed in Paris December 12, 2015). The Agreement includes strong economic sanctions against pollution violators, which Russia and China rank highest among industrialized nations.

Was the Climate Change Agreement proposed to "Save the Earth" ??? Or was it actually devised as a political and economic weapon the Vatican can use to combat Russia (where Stalinism is being resurrected under Vladimir Putin),and China where Maoist ideology has always vigorously opposed religion ??? Will the Climate Change Agreement instead be the catalysts that ignites a Third World War ???

Is Vladimir Putin and Russia really our "Ally IN The War On Terror" ??? Or is he actually working to resurrect the Soviet empire and reestablish Russia as a "preeminent" power in the Arab Middle East ??? Are these two kingdoms the two horns of the FINAL beast system ???

As the saying goes, "only time will tell".

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

"And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,.." (Daniel 11:40).

As the "King of the South" I would submit the country of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is one of the Middle East's most modern and powerful militaries. 235,000 active ground forces and 25,000 reserves. 1,210 main battle tanks, 524 Self Propelled artillery, 432 towed guns, 722 combat aircraft, 55 naval vessels including seven frigates and 4 corvettes and over 35 costal gunboats. The country also has a modern and credible anti-air and anti-ballistic missile system centered around its' capital Riyadh.

Why would you praise Saudi Arabia's military might and quote Daniel 11:40 at the same time? The King of the North in Daniel 11:40 destroys the King of the South.

I don't think the King of the South is Saudi Arabia but regardless, all that military power of Saudi Arabia can be destroy with one nuke.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

Im not saying he is right or you are wrong but does the bible even make use of intercardinal points of directions in scriptures?! I haven't seen one yet personally. Thats not to say they do not exist in scripture; however if there indeed is no example of them being used in the bible than his take on this shouldn't be refuted just yet in regards to use of cardinal directions.

Ezekiel 38:6

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 38:6

I think what Jae meant was that semi-cardinal directions such as southeast, northwest, southwest, northeast are not used in the bible. Jae is probably right in that in the original language there were not equivalent words for southeast, etc.

Instead, they expressed the semi-cardinals directions like this....

Daniel 8 : 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The little horn comes with a strong army from northwest of Israel. In this particular case, Europe; and specifically his army assembled in Greece..... to head down to Israel.

 

[JaeMelo]

I think what Jae meant was that semi-cardinal directions such as southeast, northwest, southwest, northeast are not used in the bible. Jae is probably right in that in the original language there were not equivalent words for southeast, etc.

Instead, they expressed the semi-cardinals directions like this....

Daniel 8 : 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The little horn comes with a strong army from northwest of Israel. In this particular case, Europe; and specifically his army assembled in Greece..... to head down to Israel.

Exactly this^

Thanks Douggg

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

I think what Jae meant was that semi-cardinal directions such as southeast, northwest, southwest, northeast are not used in the bible. Jae is probably right in that in the original language there were not equivalent words for southeast, etc.

Instead, they expressed the semi-cardinals directions like this....

Daniel 8 : 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The little horn comes with a strong army from northwest of Israel. In this particular case, Europe; and specifically his army assembled in Greece..... to head down to Israel.

I think EzeKiel knew what he was prophesying. He mentioned the cities/provinces of Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer and Togarmah.

Ezekiel 38:2-6
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

These are the same cities/provinces named after the sons of Japheth: Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer and Togarmah who settled in Asia Minor; the area known today known as the nation of Turkey where Noah's ark was founded in Mount Ararat, which is in Turkey.

Genesis 10:2-3
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

If you look at the map, Turkey is directly north of Jerusalem. It can't be from Europe because Europe wasn't discovered during Noah's or Japheth's generation. There's more bible scriptures indicating the beast comes out of Turkey than Europe.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5843108,31.0773584,4z

Maps of ancient Asia Minor:

 

[Douggg]

If you look at the map, Turkey is directly north of Jerusalem. It can't be from Europe because Europe wasn't discovered during Noah's or Japheth's generation. There's more bible scriptures indicating the beast comes out of Turkey than Europe.

M24, I think where we are having a disconnect in understanding each other is that I don't see the little horn as Gog or any of Gog's allies.

I don't disagree with your assessment that Gog/Magog is not Europe.

The little horn, however, will be from Europe. He will become the leader of Europe.

Then, the little horn after becoming leader of Europe for a while, probably a short time, the Gog/Magog nations - as you identified them, which are now basically the muslim countries. will be on the verge of imminent invasion of Israel.

The little horn, under the pretense of keeping peace in the region, and to defend Israel, will mass his army in Greece, Daniel 8:9, northwest of Israel.

Greece is one of the four break-up kingdoms, of Alexander's greek empire, and the eastern most frontier of the EU. From Greece, he will move his strong army toward Israel... and end up in Israel and the Middle east... following God's supernatural destruction of Gog's army.

The Jews will view the little horn's actions to be that of their long awaited messiah. The little horn person thus will have to be a Jew. In Daniel 8, we read that the little horn has a tremendous ego. So he fancies himself as the Jew's messiah as well, and is the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26b - 9:27.

He will oversee the reading of the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount -which is a cyclic requirement - in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - 7years. Thus confirming the (Mt. Sinai) covenant for 7 years, as the Jews embrace him as their messiah. The false prophet (most likely) will anoint him as the King of Israel, officially making him the "Antichrist".

So the near term sequence of events before us is....
1. The EU government evolves to the ten leader final form.
2. The little horn becomes leader of the EU.
3. Gog/Magog develops.
4. As the attach seems imminent, the little horn rises to the occasion to thwart the attack.
5. The attack takes place and God destroy's Gog's armies.
6. The little horn and his EU armies arrive in Israel and Middle east, the prince who shall come
7. The little horn is embraced by the Jews as their long awaited messiah, and he is anointed the King of Israel.
8. He oversees the reading of the law (Deuteronomy 31:9-31) to the nation of Israel, and the 7 years begin.