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the following is mainly for masons/kabbalists/alchemists/zionists, understanding that geometry is an empirical science, albeit the following applies to all ...

knowledge via two fruits of a tree will never lead to your philosophers stone as in your holy grail simply because these two keys/pillars ( which hold up your house ) do not lead to it as something to be gained ... speaking to what is defined as sacred geometry of which as you know speak to the patterns, for eg: the number 153 of the Vesica Piscis pertaining to the Mandorla/seed and how this seed in picture portrays the Truth having come out and thus cast down into the realm of matter/earthly as in this seed/Son falls to the ground and dies or another picture being a rod cast down becomes a serpent and this serpent when picked up by its tail becomes a rod again ...

the knowledge pictured as a serpent does not lead you into your shangri-la ... but into a wilderness where it slays you ... death being the price to enter into the land ... simply said and using your own principals ... you can not find what you seek in things which define what you seek, and the more so when you apply measure by way of these two points (dividers) you use as a reference(s) ...

its no coincidence that the number 153 (fish) John 21:11 is the greatest of mysteries to your cult and why it will remain so as long as these two pillars hold up your temple
 

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it will remain so as long as these two pillars hold up your temple
more so when you apply measure by way of these two points (dividers) you use as a reference(s)
knowledge via two fruits of a tree will never lead to your philosophers stone as in your holy grail simply because these two keys/pillars ( which hold up your house )

What are the two pillars/points/fruits/dividers you are referring to?
Old and New Testament?
Not sure I understand, could you be specific about them?
 
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What are the two pillars/points/fruits/dividers you are referring to?
Old and New Testament?
Not sure I understand, could you be specific about them?

they are seen in the very first verse Genesis 1:1 heaven & earth ... they are the many pictures of the two wittnesses ...

tree of knowledge of good and evil ... two fruits ... as in knowledge being the comparison between two oposites ...

the whole book speaks to this ... Cain and Abel the two perceptions/sons of Adam/man ... our garden/mind being seeded both from within and from without ... double minded ... or, lukewarm being a mixture of good and evil ...

a little leaven leavens the whole lump thing ...
 
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they are seen in the very first verse Genesis 1:1 heaven & earth ... they are the many pictures of the two wittnesses ...

Ah gotcha - thank you for explaining. So if I am reading you right you are saying that it is the perception of the difference between things
(good and evil, light and dark, heaven and earth) that is a pitfall preventing enlightenment (or something approaching it). The opposites and distinctions hold up the temple but at the same time prevent it from being reached. Remove them, and you are there at the temple door.

(I am just trying to capture your thoughts in my own words at the moment, did I do well?)
 
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Ah gotcha - thank you for explaining. So if I am reading you right you are saying that it is the perception of the difference between things
(good and evil, light and dark, heaven and earth) that is a pitfall preventing enlightenment (or something approaching it). The opposites and distinctions hold up the temple but at the same time prevent it from being reached. Remove them, and you are there at the temple door.

(I am just trying to capture your thoughts in my own words at the moment, did I do well?)

yes its our own perception of Truth/Christ by way of two fruits/sons of a tree/women which prevents us from entering into the Christ/Truth we are ...

at this time/process we eat from two tables as in our garden/mind is seeded both from within ( seed of the women) and seeded from without (seed of a serpent) ... a double minded man is unstable in all his ways ... the perception of self as to where you are ( Gods first of three questions to Adam/man "where art thou" )

our women/soul as a garden grows what so ever we plant in it ... in this think of Jesus who kept the law "thou shall not eat of it" as in he kept his garden enclosed and therefor only ate from the table already prepared by His/our father ... which is to say he ate of the tree without having to touch it ... Pauls "touch not the unclean thing" or as Jesus simply put it "take no thought"

to enter in past the holy place costs your whole soul ... down to the last thought gendered to gain ...
 
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the Vesica Piscis is a picture/symbol of mirror symmetry which permeates the entire natural world (from the particle/antiparticle symmetry in the subatomic realm to the bilateral symmetry seen throughout the biosphere ...

interestingly mirror symmetry which is seen in Genesis 1:1 given that ancient hebrew is a alphanumeric language and so if you take the numrical values of the seven words in Gen 1:1 and add them together you get 2701 which when you mirror it adds to 3773 as in 2701 + 1072 = 3773 and if you multiply 37 by 73 you get 2701 ... also 37 is the 12th prime number and 12 x 12 = 144 and 73 is the 21st prime number 21 x 21 = 441 as in the mirror is seen again 144/441...

interestingly 441-144 = 297 and 297 - 153 =144

153 speaks to the earthly as does the 144

i am but scratching the surface here given pi is found in Gen 1:1 and e is found in John 1:1 and as a late prefix there is no religion in this, these things to me are a language which speak to where we find ourselfs in this moment ...
 
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of interest with regard to mirror symmetry also known as reflection symmetry, (the reflection being likewiseas as in the same way) which is what the seal of Solomon ( hexagram) is in picture ... heaven and earth

in the Greek which is also an alphanumericn language the word ωσαυτως has a numrical value of 2701 (37x73) and the meaning of this word is In the same way, likewise, after the same, in like manner.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 
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a fraction more regarding mirror symmetry found in the the first verse of the bible

Genesis 1:1 numrical value of the 7 words when added = 913 + 203 + 86 + 401 + 395 + 407 + 296 = 2701

Genesis 1:1 = 2,701 (37 x 73) ..... 2701 x 1072 = 2,895,472 .... 2 + 8 + 9 + 5 + 4 + 7 + 2 = 37

Genesis 1:1 numrical value of the 7 words when multiplied 913 x 203 x 86 x 401 x 395 x 407 x 296 = 304,153,525,784,175,760

3 + 0 + 4 + 1 + 5 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 7 + 8 + 4 + 1 + 7 + 5 + 7 + 6 + 0 = 73

304 + 153 + 525 + 784 + 175 + 760 = 2701 (37 x 73)
 
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the 153 and its relation to 666 when you take the six variations of the number and add them together

153 + 513 = 666
135 + 531 = 666
315 + 351 = 666

iterestingly both 153 and 666 are triangular numbers as 276 is ( 276 souls in a ship Acts 27:37 )
 
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as we have already established that both Hebrew and Greek alphabets have numrical values and taking the numrical value of each of the seven words in Genesis 1:1 and atributing there semi prime number to them and then adding these semi prime numbers up = 9261 as follows

# 913 = 3241
# 203 = 679
# 86 = 267
# 401 = 1357
# 395 = 1346
# 407 = 1382
# 296 = 989
= 9261

9261 is also the sum of 3x3x3x7x7x7 as in 21x21x21 which is also a perfect square
 
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now if we use the same simplicity using the prime numbers as in the above post 13

# 913 = 7127
# 203 = 1237
# 86 = 443
# 401 = 2749
# 395 = 2711
# 407 = 2797
# 296 = 1949
= 2161 which is also a prime number ( 326th )

and here were it gets interesting because using morror symetry 2161 + 1612 = 3773
 
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And where's the science in this? This just numerology, not science.
first paragraph of the OP ... "geometry is an empirical science"

empirical means: based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.
 
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first paragraph of the OP ... "geometry is an empirical science"

empirical means: based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.
And I see not a shred of geometry or science in any of your posts. Just numerology.
 
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awnser with a yes or no ... are circles squares and triangles not typical geometric basic principals ?

Even if I answer yes or no, it still does not change the fact that all of this thread is just numerology, Biblical numerology to boot. Neither of which are physical or life sciences.
 
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Even if I answer yes or no, it still does not change the fact that all of this thread is just numerology, Biblical numerology to boot. Neither of which are physical or life sciences.

the facts are that circles squares and triangles are basic priciples of geometry as an empirical science found in all of nature and the theorem within my posts are varyfiable by simple math is indisputable ...
 
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