The Few who Survived (Short video)

[URA]

As you will soon see, these people were able to survive, against all odds, when their lives were entirely in the hands of another. I actually saw this video project being debuted in DC, when they compiled the testimonies of all these people who weren't supposed to live...

 

[SkyWriting]

As you will soon see, these people were able to survive, against all odds, when their lives were entirely in the hands of another. I actually saw this video project being debuted in DC, when they compiled the testimonies of all these people who weren't supposed to live...

I've had a number of relatives that were still-born and buried soon after.
I have no video footage but likely they struggled too but we don't
have their testimonies.

 

[URA]

I've had a number of relatives that were still born and buried soon after.
I have no video footage.

A friend of mine is the 4th born, the youngest of his parents...but I recently found out he was the 4th born alive. To count the rest that didn't make it...he was the 24th to be born.

 

[SkyWriting]

A friend of mine is the 4th born, the youngest of his parents...but I recently found out he was the 4th born alive. To count the rest that didn't make it...he was the 24th to be born.

So there are likely tens of millions who died before being born.
And we don't have interview footage to tug on heart strings
about their struggle.

 

[IceJad]

I'm personally not against abortion. Each pregnancy comes about under difference circumstances. I'm all for medically advised abortions like when the child presents an adverse risk to the mother or victims of sexual violence especially minors where it might physiologically distort them for life. In cases like these a choice must be given to the mother to abort. As sad as it maybe for the potential life the current life means more.

What I'm against is the abortion for lifestyle choices. When people want to abort because mistake happened due to their willing sexual activities. What I'm against more is the shielding of poor life choices behind right to your body. You forfeit that right as soon as the sperm meets the ovum. No one asked or forced you to have sex. Any adult even teens and preteens know where babies come from.

 

[Belk]

I'm personally not against abortion. Each pregnancy comes about under difference circumstances. I'm all for medically advised abortions like when the child presents an adverse risk to the mother or victims of sexual violence especially minors where it might physiologically distort them for life. In cases like these a choice must be given to the mother to abort. As sad as it maybe for the potential life the current life means more.

What I'm against is the abortion for lifestyle choices. When people want to abort because mistake happened due to their willing sexual activities. What I'm against more is the shielding of poor life choices behind right to your body. You forfeit that right as soon as the sperm meets the ovum. No one asked or forced you to have sex. Any adult even teens and preteens know where babies come from.

Then it is not a right. I have yet to see any reasoning that convinces me bodily integrity should be suspended in this sole instance. It is a right that even survives death.

 

[IceJad]

Then it is not a right. I have yet to see any reasoning that convinces me bodily integrity should be suspended in this sole instance. It is a right that even survives death.

While it is not exactly equivalent, if there is a pregnant women who keeps doing dangerous activities (nightly clubbing & rough sexual activities) and excessively consuming unhealthy substances (like smoking, drinking & weed) and when confronted keeps saying my body my right, eventually people will call the authorities to report on it. Because she is irresponsible and abusive.

Unrestrained or no limit abortion, which include as late as second/third trimester is no different. It is just medically not consider abusive. But end of the day it is the baby that is experiencing this not the mother. Drugs to poison the fetus then comes the insertions to break the body apart and remove it from the womb. All for the right of someone who argue that it is her body she can do whatever she wanted.

While it is an exaggeration when I say "sperm meet the ovum" as most people only know of the pregnancy about 2-3 months in, my sentiment is you don't have total right to your body and there are circumstances that prohibit you from doing whatever your heart fancies.

I'm not against abortion with valid reasons. Opssies I did it again [insert sexual innuendo here] is just not one of them. As I would advocate women not throwing a health pregnancy away, I would also advocate the partner take responsibility to care for the mother and child.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then it is not a right. I have yet to see any reasoning that convinces me bodily integrity should be suspended in this sole instance. It is a right that even survives death.

Indeed -- if control over your own body is a privilege that the government can revoke at any arbitrary moment, then you have no rights at all.

 

[Belk]

While it is not exactly equivalent, if there is a pregnant women who keeps doing dangerous activities (nightly clubbing & rough sexual activities) and excessively consuming unhealthy substances (like smoking, drinking & weed) and when confronted keeps saying my body my right, eventually people will call the authorities to report on it. Because she is irresponsible and abusive.

Unrestrained or no limit abortion, which include as late as second/third trimester is no different. It is just medically not consider abusive. But end of the day it is the baby that is experiencing this not the mother. Drugs to poison the fetus then comes the insertions to break the body apart and remove it from the womb. All for the right of someone who argue that it is her body she can do whatever she wanted.

While it is an exaggeration when I say "sperm meet the ovum" as most people only know of the pregnancy about 2-3 months in, my sentiment is you don't have total right to your body and there are circumstances that prohibit you from doing whatever your heart fancies.

I'm not against abortion with valid reasons. Opssies I did it again [insert sexual innuendo here] is just not one of them. As I would advocate women not throwing a health pregnancy away, I would also advocate the partner take responsibility to care for the mother and child.

Can you explain your reasoning on why I do not own my own body?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can you explain your reasoning on why I do not own my own body?

Isn't it obvious?

The state needs you to produce future soldiers,
The economy needs to produce future consumers,
Big business needs you to produce future workers,
And the Church needs you to produce future sinners.

All of these institutions have gotten all they're going to squeeze out of you; it's time to think about their future.

 

[Belk]

Isn't it obvious?

The state needs you to produce future soldiers,
The economy needs to produce future consumers,
Big business needs you to produce future workers,
And the Church needs you to produce future sinners.

All of these institutions have gotten all they're going to squeeze out of you; it's time to think about their future.

Those are conclusions, not reasoning.

 

[URA]

Those are conclusions, not reasoning.

With all due respect, TLK actually did give reasoning...it was just a different format than many would expect. Yes, each of his statements came with heavy implications, but all of these fed into his major point about ownership (or lack thereof) and utility of the body.

 

[Belk]

With all due respect, TLK actually did give reasoning...it was just a different format than many would expect. Yes, each of his statements came with heavy implications, but all of these fed into his major point about ownership (or lack thereof) and utility of the body.

I would have to disagree. He gave conclusions of others who would like control. That seems fundamentally different then reasons why I do not own my body. Can you articulate the reasons you see him stating?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I would have to disagree. He gave conclusions of others who would like control. That seems fundamentally different then reasons why I do not own my body. Can you articulate the reasons you see him stating?

You do not own your body because those institutions wouldn't profit from you owning it.

Once you realize that the system is designed in such a way that you have no inherent value as a human being, but must continuously earn your "right" to exist by showing that you can provide something useful to those in power, the reasoning sorts itself out.

 

[IceJad]

Can you explain your reasoning on why I do not own my own body?

Because there is another individual that depended on you to survive maybe? And that individual cannot consent to the termination of his/her life. Is it that difficult to sympathized with a life? Or are you going to say well it is just another lump of cells?

 

[IceJad]

Isn't it obvious?

The state needs you to produce future soldiers,
The economy needs to produce future consumers,
Big business needs you to produce future workers,
And the Church needs you to produce future sinners.

All of these institutions have gotten all they're going to squeeze out of you; it's time to think about their future.

No it is not obvious it is not even close to correct. If you hate the institution of human civilization so much why are you still living in it? There are no nation on earth that doesn't have a set of law that regulate the society.

Maybe there should be an exception for people who thinks this way. I have a solution but I doubt you will like it.

The state needs you to produce future soldiers,
- Neither you nor your family need to join but if an enemy ever attacks you shall not be afforded security and protection.

The economy needs to produce future consumers,
- You shall not be required to pay taxes but you cannot use the facilities supported by such taxes nor engage in the consumer system. Make your own, service yourself.

Big business needs you to produce future workers,
- You will not be hired as an employee but you shall not consume the product and services by said businesses.

And the Church needs you to produce future sinners.
- you are not part of it anyway.

Apparently the institutions future are also the majority of the human future. Who would have guessed that human need to organized to continue to thrive?

 

[Belk]

Because there is another individual that depended on you to survive maybe? And that individual cannot consent to the termination of his/her life. Is it that difficult to sympathized with a life? Or are you going to say well it is just another lump of cells?

Why should that usurp my right to control over my own person? It does not in any other case. We do not require people to donate blood or organs. Even after they pass away it requires their consent so why should this single case be different?

 

[IceJad]

Why should that usurp my right to control over my own person? It does not in any other case. We do not require people to donate blood or organs. Even after they pass away it requires their consent so why should this single case be different?

Wrong analogy. Because those individuals are at least born and have the means to live without depending on the original host. There the biological dependency have been severed at birth. Only difference is that they unfortunately experience organ failure later in life. A fetus is conceived in the body of the host from the very start. Biologically dependent and cannot survive outside of the host until fully developed to exist outside the womb.

You talk of consent. Did the fetus consented to life? No, you could just not have sex and result in forming of the fetus. However you did, biology don't care for your reason of sex. Possible end result is the fetus. Now you have another life in you.

All this talk about my body my right comes from narcissistic view on life. Only your quality of life matters others don't. Streaking responsibility for your own poor lifestyle choices. Yet want to make it about liberty and autonomy. Who pays for all these? The life in the womb.

 

[Belk]

Wrong analogy. Because those individuals are at least born and have the means to live without depending on the original host. There the biological dependency have been severed at birth. Only difference is that they unfortunately experience organ failure later in life. A fetus is conceived in the body of the host from the very start. Biologically dependent and cannot survive outside of the host until fully developed to exist outside the womb.

Why should the fact that people have already been born make a difference? Why does something not having been born override my bodily integrity?

You talk of consent.

Yes. Consent is considered a basic to many of our moral points of view.

Did the fetus consented to life? No, you could just not have sex and result in forming of the fetus. However you did, biology don't care for your reason of sex. Possible end result is the fetus. Now you have another life in you.

That is kind of the point. The fetus is not capable of consent either in life or death. It has no agency of its own. We therefore do not allow that to override the will of beings that do have the agency for consent.

All this talk about my body my right comes from narcissistic view on life. Only your quality of life matters others don't. Streaking responsibility for your own poor lifestyle choices. Yet want to make it about liberty and autonomy. Who pays for all these? The life in the womb.

No. Once again it comes from the basis of bodily integrity. I could just as easily claim that not being forced to donate blood or organs comes from a "Narcissistic view on life". This is not reasoning. It is attempting to shame others into a particular point of view.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Because there is another individual that depended on you to survive maybe? And that individual cannot consent to the termination of his/her life. Is it that difficult to sympathized with a life? Or are you going to say well it is just another lump of cells?

On that note...

Little Maria here needs a new kidney. The government has checked your medical records and determined that you are a match. The authorities will be at your house later this afternoon to escort you to the hospital where they can save her life by taking your kidney.

Refuse, of course, and you'll be charged with murder.