the fearful in revelation

[lamb7]

The Bible doesnt say much on mental illness or the unsound mind. Which we OCDers have.

This verse scares me because like you all I cannot control my doubt or fears.

Some say this is in context is to deny Christ due to persecution in end times or somthing...

THE FEARFUL SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV


Thoughts?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bluerose31]

The Bible doesnt say much on mental illness or the unsound mind. Which we OCDers have.

This verse scares me because like you all I cannot control my doubt or fears.

Some say this is in context is to deny Christ due to persecution in end times or somthing...

THE FEARFUL SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV


Thoughts?

People with OCD and mental illness who love Jesus will still inherit the Kingdom of God. Jesus understands our mental illness and has compassion on us.

 

[Aleksandros]

If you have any aspect of an unsound mind, keep in mind that growing closer to God is able to fix it, as it is something we Christians ought to have.

Focus on Him.

Secondly, OCD would not count as fearful - I believe the fearful being referred to is cowardice or having a cowardly character (like the Israelites who got scared of the giants)

OCD is is a mental illness - a disease. The way it works is more or less involuntary; if it is a sin, it would be a minor one.

 

[lamb7]

If you have any aspect of an unsound mind,

OCD is is a mental illness - a disease. The way it works is more or less involuntary; if it is a sin, it would be a minor one.

Would hate to have an illness as a sin yikes esp. one the person cannot control you know.

 

[Eric Reed]

The Bible doesnt say much on mental illness or the unsound mind. Which we OCDers have.

This verse scares me because like you all I cannot control my doubt or fears.

Some say this is in context is to deny Christ due to persecution in end times or somthing...

THE FEARFUL SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV


Thoughts?

There is a difference between ungodly fear (fear rooted in rebellion) and godly fear. You are exhibiting godly fear in posting your concern. This is not the kind of fear referenced in Rev 21:8, nor is it addressing fear arising from a lack of knowledge or weakness/infirmaries inherent in our current sin-prone natures. For example, if you are struggling with a particular sin that you have submitted to the Lord in faith, trusting that He can and is addressing it in His own strength and time, then you are not in the category mentioned in Rev 21:8.

It is talking of fear rooted in willful rebellion. Have you consciously rebelled against your maker? No? Then you do not have to fear the fear mentioned in this verse. If you want to sin and do not want anything to do with your Maker, then you should fear this verse. You must learn what these verses mean:

... and mercy rejoiceth against judgment (James 2:13)

and:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love (1 John 4:18).

 

[lamb7]

There is a difference in fear rooted in rebellion and godly fear. You are exhibiting godly fear in posting your concern. This is not the kind of fear referenced in Rev 21:8, nor is it addressing fear arising from a lack of knowledge or weakness/ infirmaries inherent in our current sin-prone natures. For example, if you are struggling with a particular sin that you have submitted to the Lord in faith, trusting that He can and is addressing it in His own strength and time, then you are not in the category mentioned in Rev 21:8.

It is talking of fear rooted in willful rebellion. Have you consciously rebelled against your maker? No? Then you do not have to fear the fear mentioned in this verse. If you want to sin and do not want anything to to with your Maker, then you should fear this verse. You must learn what these verses mean:

... and mercy rejoiceth against judgment (James 2:13)

and:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love (1 John 4:18).

That makes sense, yea it's not a rebellious fear, more like a unhealthy over zealous fear of offending God. I worry my fearful condition will condemn me for goodness sake.

 

[Eric Reed]

That makes sense, yea it's not a rebellious fear, more like a unhealthy over zealous fear of offending God. I worry my fearful condition will condemn me for goodness sake.

Yes, and this has resulted in you not being able to walk fully in this verse:

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.(Matthew 11:29).

 

[lamb7]

Yes, and this has resulted in you not enjoying this verse:

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.(Matthew 11:29).

I love that verse but as always I that fear gets in there... someday ♥

 

[Eric Reed]

That makes sense, yea it's not a rebellious fear, more like a unhealthy over zealous fear of offending God. I worry my fearful condition will condemn me for goodness sake.

Not fully understanding the provisions of the Cross will always produce fear. Such fear will always have negative consequences, but it won't send you to hell. You simply need to gain additional understanding in how your relationship with Christ works. Yes, you understand that your sins are forgiven, but you must gain a fuller understanding of salvation by grace through faith.

 

[lamb7]

I agree its grace thru faith but some verses seem to contradict. Maybe its a context issue as well.

 

[AACJ]

I agree its grace thru faith but some verses seem to contradict. Maybe its a context issue as well.

I will post a private message for you. Hope it helps.

 

[AACJ]

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[AACJ]

Rev 21:8 pertains to that category of persons expressing fear rooted in godlessness/rebellion. That category of persons in Rev. 21:8 are those who fear man more than they fear God. They do so because they reject Christ and and his righteousness.

You have not rejected Christ and his atoning work, so you are not in the Rev. 21:8 category. Your fear (whatever it is you are fearing) is not greater than your fear of God. This is why you run to God in your fear. You have submitted your fear to Him.

Most Christians know what it is like to feel fear of man or the elements of the world. However, our fear does not overcome our saving faith because we submit it all to God. The Godless have no such recourse.

Jacob was feeling horrible fear of his brother when his past sin of deceiving his father and Esau caught up to him (Genesis 32). However, because he appealed to God's mercy (he would not let God go as he wrestled with Him) instead of to his own personal ability/effort in resisting sin (doing righteously) and overcoming failure himself, he was blessed. His fear did not destroy his faith nor himself and what God had in store for him. His fear was overcome by grabbing hold of God Himself. What is it that can actually hold God? Our faith of course.

And no, God was not just making it appear as if he could not get away from Jacob. Otherwise He would have been deceiving Jacob.

Your faith seizes hold of God, and He cannot get away from you because of his very nature and commitment to you.

Your faith is so powerful that not even mortal death can stand against it. It is born of God and is spiritually maintained. (Heb. 12:2; Rom.12:3; 1Co. 12:9; 2Pet. 1:1; Luk 22:32).

 

[lamb7]

I can't even imagine rejecting Christ, it would be like rejecting myself or other things I know to be true. I know Peter did, but he did not fully reject Him as he became a major part of the church.

Christ is life, and I look forward to Him, this world is not so exciting to me I see it for what it is now, except His creation and it's beauty, I love seeing what he has made give glory to Him.

Fear and doubt is the fuel and cause for OCD, it is very embarrassing, I hope & pray God is merciful on me when judging me, because of the uncontrollable fears, I feel bad that in the process I appear faithless to Him, I hate that I cannot control it, I don't want to grieve the Spirit. Thank you so much for your support.

 

[AACJ]

I can't even imagine rejecting Christ, it would be like rejecting myself or other things I know to be true. I know Peter did, but he did not fully reject Him as he became a major part of the church.

Christ is life, and I look forward to Him, this world is not so exciting to me I see it for what it is now, except His creation and it's beauty, I love seeing what he has made give glory to Him.

Fear and doubt is the fuel and cause for OCD, it is very embarrassing, I hope & pray God is merciful on me when judging me, because of the uncontrollable fears, I feel bad that in the process I appear faithless to Him, I hate that I cannot control it, I don't want to grieve the Spirit. Thank you so much for your support.

The good news is that your condition is not permanent. It can and will change if you come to understand that it is God's will to heal everyone. Give no credibility or value to any sentiment or claim that it is God's will that you should continue indefinitely in your condition. However, God's provision for healing and how it is obtained must be understood. Here we are touching upon increasing knowledge and maturation in Christ-likeness.

You must come to the position of understanding that not only can God set you free, but that He will set you free. I believe the reason that so many Christians spend much of their lives feeling largely defeated and not obtaining all of God's promises/provisions is because they simply do not believe that not only can God do something particular, but the He will do something particular, such as pertaining to physical or mental healing.