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The bible does not recycle the unrighteous. They are destroyed as Christ taught.
It's not true Christianity if it does not agree with the Bible.
In this case, the testimony of Scripture is overwhelmingly in the direction of an eternal loss on the part of the unredeemed, no matter how we "slice" that concept.
Maybe it will not be pitchforks and literal fire; maybe those who refused Christ until the end of their Earthly lives will take themselves to some kind of hell in preference to the place of the redeemed. In any case, it is undeniable that an eternal loss, an estrangement from God, is Scriptural.
Yes, our Lord is a merciful and loving God! And... (see bold below)Good morning Steven!
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Our Lord is a merciful and loving God!
Unfortunately, what you call the overwhelming "testimony of Scripture" is based on a Damnationist biased text.It's not true Christianity if it does not agree with the Bible.
In this case, the testimony of Scripture is overwhelmingly in the direction of an eternal loss on the part of the unredeemed, no matter how we "slice" that concept.
Maybe it will not be pitchforks and literal fire; maybe those who refused Christ until the end of their Earthly lives will take themselves to some kind of hell in preference to the place of the redeemed. In any case, it is undeniable that an eternal loss, an estrangement from God, is Scriptural.
Prove it!
So, you are an Annihilationist?The bible does not recycle the unrighteous. They are destroyed as Christ taught.
So, you are an Annihilationist?
Here's what I don't get. Maybe you can explain this. See scripture below.A large group is destroyed and a smaller group (FEW) are the ones that find life.
Yes.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
A large group is destroyed and a smaller group (FEW) are the ones that find life.
Read it again. Revelation 21:4-6.Easy - unlike the verses I quoted in I Corinthians 15, the ones you referred to in the Revelation do not claim to portray "the end." In all the Scripture you quoted in post #866, there is no claim to that time period being the end.
Here's what I don't get. Maybe you can explain this. See scripture below.
Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. (bold below - vs 44) And infers that this is to be like God. (bold below - vs 48)
Does God love his enemies by sending them to hell? You may tell me that they wicked send themselves to hell, but God has prearranged this whole thing. He should bear some responsibility. Right?
Was God being loving to His enemies when He destroyed millions of people in the flood, old, young, men, women, children, infants?Here's what I don't get. Maybe you can explain this. See scripture below.
Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. (bold below - vs 44) And infers that this is to be like God. (bold below - vs 48)
Does God love his enemies by sending them to hell? You may tell me that they wicked send themselves to hell, but God has prearranged this whole thing. He should bear some responsibility. Right?
Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Thanks for the detailed response. I appreciate it.The majority will have done so much wrong things that he must sentence them to the lake of fire. If he didn't, he would be a bad Judge.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
This is just and fair. I wish the verse ended with, "but God decided to be merciful and erase all the bad works they had done and they were healed and restored and all people entered the new heaven and new Earth and lived happily forever."
And I do mean I wish that were the case but my desires aren't scripture. Scripture is clear many times that there is a good fate and a very bad fate and both fates will be realized.
I wonder if, as an Annihilationist, you are following a similar direction that we Restorationists have followed, but are not taking it as far as we do. The horror of a forever burning hell does not fit the character of God. Do you agree with that statement?The majority will have done so much wrong things that he must sentence them to the lake of fire. If he didn't, he would be a bad Judge.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
This is just and fair. I wish the verse ended with, "but God decided to be merciful and erase all the bad works they had done and they were healed and restored and all people entered the new heaven and new Earth and lived happily forever."
And I do mean I wish that were the case but my desires aren't scripture. Scripture is clear many times that there is a good fate and a very bad fate and both fates will be realized.
The issue in this thread about Universalism is whether hell is forever--or not. I have tried to stick to the subject in my posts. What hell is like, who winds up there, and etc. is really not the topic.So for you hell is populated by the fools, the weak, the hopeless, the victims of this world who failed to exert their will and do right?
Aren’t they exactly the ones Jesus comes to save? Does he fail so miserably? Maybe you like satanic Metallica who mockingly sing The God that Failed?
The issue in this thread about Universalism is whether hell is forever--or not. I have tried to stick to the subject in my posts. What hell is like, who winds up there, and etc. is really not the topic.
Yes the Hell no! crowd has several "versions" translated by UR writers which have omitted the word "hell' and replaced it with the English transliterations "hades" and "Gehenna." They refuse to accept irrefutable evidence that in Israel before and during the time of Jesus there was a belief in a place of eternal punishment which the Jews called both "Sheol" and "Ge Hinnom," written in the 225 BC LXX and the NT as ""hades" and "Gehenna."Meaning what?--you are recommending a different Bible?
Read it again. Revelation 21:4-6.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.One continuous narrative.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Vs. 4 “there shall be no more death.” After this there should not me any more death.
Vs. 5 “I make all things new.” After this there should be no more death.
Vs. 7 “He that overcomes shall inherit all things.’ This makes a distinction between those who overcome and those who do not overcome.
.....Although vs. 4 says no more death and vs. 5 "I make all things new" in vs. 8, eight groups of people are thrown into the lake of fire which is still the second death. And there is no mention of salvation after this.
If there is nothing remaining which defiles, works an abomination or makes a lie this verse is unnecessary.
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it [the new Jerusalem] any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Total rubbish that this does not mean the very end.
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