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oops. Not a physical kingdom... Thus, not what you said.The very first words that Jesus preached, was simply
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
oops. Not a physical kingdom... Thus, not what you said.
Nothing you posted, quoted, or tried to use,That is your particular interpretation. I understand if you won't change your mind.
I have already elaborated what I meant in an earlier post
The Fatal Flaw in Dispensationalism
Anyway, if your particular interpretation is the correct one, then Jesus made no sense when he taught them the Lord's Prayer to pray for his kingdom to come and his will be done, on earth as it is in heaven
Can you show us in the quotes of Chafer or some other dispensationalists where they say that the crucifixion of Christ and the entire church age that has followed is "ONLY" a parenthesis, (as you tell us they say)?
I don't see it any of the quotes you provided.
When you purposefully use the word "only", it makes their view of Christ and His sacrifice and the building of His Body seem of little importance to them. Unless you can provide statements where they do so minimize their importance - I will consider your charges as rather disingenuous and, excuse the expression, you are up to no good as you are misrepresenting their view of Christ and His centrality in history and in God's plan.
Please show me that that isn't so and I am mistaken about you. Please provide a quote where Chafer minimizes the importance of Jesus Christ and His work at Calvary.
Can you show us in the quotes of Chafer or some other dispensationalists where they say that the crucifixion of Christ and the entire church age that has followed is "ONLY" a parenthesis, (as you tell us they say)?
I don't see it any of the quotes you provided.
When you purposefully use the word "only", it makes their view of Christ and His sacrifice and the building of His Body seem of little importance to them. Unless you can provide statements where they do so minimize their importance - I will consider your charges as rather disingenuous and, excuse the expression, you are up to no good as you are misrepresenting their view of Christ and His centrality in history and in God's plan.
Please show me that that isn't so and I am mistaken about you. Please provide a quote where Chafer minimizes the importance of Jesus Christ and His work at Calvary.
Nothing you posted, quoted, or tried to use,
not one iota, shows a physical kingdom yet.
p.s. Are you a dispensationalist !? Are your errors just yours or theirs too !?
THis UNDERLINED part is true anyway.Luke 1 NLT 30 “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 And he will reign over Israel[c] forever; his Kingdom will never end!”
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So? Again, this will happen when Yahuweh has planned it to happen, not before. It is not yet, obviously!To me, when Gabriel said the "throne of his ancestor David", the literal interpretation would be, just as David was King reigning over from Jerusalem, so was the promise of Jesus as the King of the Jews, if only they accepted him.
So? Again, this will happen when Yahuweh has planned it to happen, not before. It is not yet, obviously!
Not possible.If the Jewish nation accepted Jesus during his first coming, it would have happened there and then.
"all who are afar off" = Gentiles.Isaiah 11:10 “And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,
Who shall stand as a banner to the people;
For the Gentiles shall seek Him,
And His resting place shall be glorious.”
Isaiah 49:6
Indeed He says, ‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
Amos 9:12
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,” Says the Lord who does this thing.
Micah 5:8
And the remnant of Jacob Shall be among the Gentiles, In the midst of many peoples, Like a lion among the beasts of the forest, Like a young lion among flocks of sheep, Who, if he passes through, Both treads down and tears in pieces, And none can deliver.
Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles; In every place incense shall be offered to My name, And a pure offering; For My name shall be great among the nations,” Says the Lord of hosts.
Acts 2:38,39
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Matt. 16:19
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Luke 1 NLT 30 “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 And he will reign over Israel[c] forever; his Kingdom will never end!”
If you don't want to interpret verses literally, that is a choice you make. Of course you would disagree with me.
To me, when Gabriel said the "throne of his ancestor David", the literal interpretation would be, just as David was King reigning over from Jerusalem, so was the promise of Jesus as the King of the Jews, if only they accepted him.
Stick with Scripture as Revealed by the Father to little children.If you lean more towards predestination instead of free will, that belief of yours is understandable.
That would be the literal interpretation if Jesus had not on multiple occasions disavowed the physical kingdom in place of the spiritual one he came to establish and teach.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Luke 17:20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
Then of course you have dozens of parables where Jesus tries to explain the kingdom, comparing it with a sower, ten virgins, a bridegroom, a vineyard owner, etc etc etc, all of which if you decide to interpret literally would still have little to explain about a physical kingdom.
A kingdom that lasts forever cannot be physical on earth, especially when it is explained that the earth is itself not going to last forever.
Not those who obey the Father. He says Scripture is NOT OPEN to private interpretation, ever.All of us interpret Scripture based on our beliefs.
There are various ways to explain why Jesus, in the middle of his ministry cease preaching about the physical kingdom to the public.
The most reasonable one to me was to allow the Jews a second chance. By preaching only in parables after that, the Jews can be legitimately forgiven, under the Law of Moses, for rejecting God, due to ignorance.
Thus, when the 12 picked up the mantle again after Jesus resurrected and went back to heaven, the final offer of a Kingdom can still be made to them (Acts 3:17-20)
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
37 Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”
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