The Fatal Flaw in Dispensationalism

[Dale]

Most criticism of Dispensationalism has centered on the Rapture, the most well known belief of Dispensationalists. Much criticism has been focused on their treatment of Jews and Israel, which sometimes sets up a two-tiered scheme of salvation. A lot of criticism has been focused on Dispensationalism as a surprisingly recent belief system. Dispensationalists are extreme literalists but this doesn't mean that they agree with other literalists.

As we shall see, the Dispensationalists say that the crucifixion of Christ and the entire church age that followed, is only a "parenthesis" in God's plan. God's original plan is on hold. Most Christians find this rather jarring, considering the emphasis that Paul put on "Christ crucified." A critic would say that the whole notion of a parenthesis is only needed to make their end-of-the-world calculations come out right.

This thread focuses on the most basic idea of Dispensationalism, besides dispensations. Dispensationalism claims that God offered the Jews a chance to make Jesus their earthly King. Jesus would then have overthrown the Romans and established Israel as a theocratic Kingdom, eventually covering the world. Since this was God's original plan, Christianity came about when the Jews rejected the Kingship of Jesus. God went to Plan B, which included the (crucifixion), the (resurrection), the (ascension), (Pentecost), and the (church age).

"This offer of the kingdom which was extended through Christ, John, and the disciples to the nation [Israel] was rejected by that nation, notwithstanding the fact that it was in complete fulfillment of every divinely given prediction. It was a bona fide offer and, had they received Him as their King, the nation's hope would have been realized."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one. Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter V: The Kingdom Rejected and Postponed, Kindle location 3470-3473.

Chafer (1871-1952) founded the Dallas Theological Seminary. He is one of the most frequently quoted Dispensationalists. According to Chafer, there are seven Dispensations in the Bible. Other interpreters have added or subtracted from this. More conventional theologians say there are only two, the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The claim of a Kingdom offer made by Chafer and other Dispensationalists is flatly contrary to the Bible. It also leaves Christian theology in chaos.

"14 After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” 15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself."
John 6: 14-15 NIV

According to John, it was not the Jews who rejected the offer of a Kingdom, but Jesus who fled from those who wanted to make Him a King. Jesus did not intend to lead a revolt against Rome and local monarchs like Herod.

There are other Gospel verses that contradict Chafer's notion of Jesus setting up a theocratic Jewish kingdom.

20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[c]
Luke 17:20-21 NIV
c:Luke 17:21 Or is within you

20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Lo, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”[c]
Luke 17: 20-21 RSV
c: Luke 17:21 Or within you

When the Pharisees ask when is the Kingdom coming, Jesus doesn't say that the Jews have to accept a theocratic kingdom for it to happen. Instead He says that the Kingdom of Heaven is more subtle than the one they are expecting.

Rev. Chafer's notion that the crucifixion wasn't planed from the beginning is apparently contradicted by this verse.

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was to betray him.
John 6:70-71 RSV

It looks like Judas was chosen as an Apostle precisely because the crucifixion was the plan from the beginning.

 

[Dale]

It might seem that theologians would agree on where the Old Testament ends and the New Testament begins, even if they don't agree on anything else. Instead we find:

"In subject matter the division between the Old Testament and the New occurs at the cross of Christ, rather than between Malachi and Matthew. The Gospels, in the main, carry forward the same dispensational conditions that were in effect at the hour when Christ was born. Especially is this true of the Gospel of Matthew ... "

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter IV: The Kingdom Offered. Kindle location 3303-3305

The Dispensationalist L. S. Chafer's views on the Gospels are unusual and remarkable. Most Christians would see the Gospels as variations on a theme but united by a common purpose.

"In Matthew He [Jesus] is presented as the King; in Mark as Jehovah's servant; in Luke as the perfect human; and in John as the very Son of God."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter IV: The Kingdom Offered. Kindle location 3305-3308

"Matthew portrays the Lion King, Mark the Servant Ox, Luke the Man Christ Jesus, and John the Son of God, fittingly symbolized by the eagle. Christ is the sum total of these four revelations."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter XIII: The Return of the King, Kindle Edition. 4333

Chafer says that Jesus Christ is symbolized by an eagle in the Book of John. Actually the word "eagle" doesn't appear in John. The Holy Spirit does descend on Jesus in the form of a dove in John.

Chafer draws a very sharp distinction between the Gospel and the Kingdom. This is particularly significant because "kingdom" is one of his favorite words, he uses it constantly. This contrast between Gospel and Kingdom leads to statements as odd as this one:

"On the other hand, the Gospel, which is now proclaimed by the authority of God and in the power of the Spirit, offers the Kingdom to no one -- neither Jew nor Gentile."


Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Ephesians Letter: Section Nine - Ephesians 2:19 to 3:13, Kindle location 12909

Offers the Kingdom to no one? Huh?

 

[Dale]

The notion that our entire church age is a "parenthesis" within a larger plan that most of us don't understand is a bit jarring. The following quotes show that there is no doubt that Dispensationalists have taught this.

"This present age is as a parenthesis in Jewish history and, as no account is made of it in these reckonings, the last unfulfilled week (seven years) of the seventy, before the kingdom is established upon the earth, must be the time between the gathering out of the Church--an event which completes the purpose of this parenthetical age--and the final bringing in of the kingdom."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. Satan, Chapter VIII: The Man of Sin, Kindle location 945-948.

The "gathering out of the Church," above, is obviously the Rapture, a distinct Dispensational belief.

"The first great section of the book of Romans (Chapters 1-8), sets forth the fact of a great and full salvation; this is followed (omitting the dispensational parenthesis of Chapters 9-11) by the closing section (Chapters 12-16), which is a detailed description of the life a saved person should live ... "

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. Satan, Chapter XI: The Believer's Present Position 1393-1395.

"The New Testament reveals the present age as a parenthesis in the prophetic program during which the Church is called out from among the Gentiles, a stranger and pilgrim body, belonging to the kingdom of God, but in no sense identical with the kingdom of heaven."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Introduction, Kindle location 2995.

"It is clear, therefore, that a mystery age has been thrust, as a parenthesis, into that which had been previously revealed for the fulfillment of the purpose of God."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter X: The Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, Kindle location 3999.

"A Sacred Secret

However, in the preceding notable parenthesis much has been added to the sum-total of the revelation concerning the Church."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Ephesians Letter: Section Ten- Ephesians 2:14-21, Kindle location 12965.

 

[solid_core]

I cannot accept dispensationalism, because it ignores the words of Christ and the words of apostles and builds almost everything on the Old testament.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The notion that the Messiah was going to come to Israel as a victor, drive out the Romans, and set up His kingdom was what the Jewish religious expected, and because Jesus came in a totally different manner, they rejected Him.

The Bible clearly prophesied through the Old Testament prophets exactly how the Messiah was to come, and Jesus fulfilled every one right down to the last detail, even to the very date that He was to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey! His crucifixion was foretold hundreds of years before crucifixion was even thought of. The gambling for His robe, and the spear thrust into His side were also prophesied hundreds of years previously.

The Scripture says that Jesus came and died for our sins, as the Scripture has said. This shows that the ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus was carefully and thoroughly planned beforehand, and God told the Old Testament prophets exactly how it was all going to happen.

Jesus did not come to set up an earthly kingdom. He said, "If my kingdom were of this world, my followers would fight for it."

Jesus struggled in the garden of Gethsemone. He said to His Father, "If there is any other possible way, don't let me go through this!" It was not the actual crucifixion that bothered Him, it was having to endure the wrath of God for our sin. But He knew that there was no other way to redeem and save mankind from sin, death, and hell.

So the cross was an integral part of God's central plan for the salvation of mankind. The Messiah who, in the expectation of the Jewish leaders, was going to come and set up a kingdom in Israel, was a false messiah cooked up in their imaginations and not consistent with what the prophets had said.

 

[Josheb]

I assume this is about Dispensational Premillennialism (DP), and not merely the construct of viewing scripture through dispensations.

Most criticism of Dispensationalism has centered on the Rapture, the most well known belief of Dispensationalists.

Perhaps, but I find at least six other concerns associated with Dispnesational Premillennialism aside from the their view of the rapture.

1) Adherents don't practice their hermeneutic (the aforementioned literalism).
2) No other theology generates the kind of and as many false teachers and prognosticators as DPism.
3) They don't hold accountable those who teach and prognosticate falsely.
4) The theology leads to dissociative living in which adherents don't actually live as they believe.
5) The theology radically changes 1800 years of Christian thought and compromises core doctrines.
6) As a result a poor witness to the world is provided because outsiders see the inconsistency.​

And I would add concerns about the inherent pessimism but that overlaps many of the above items.

Much criticism has been focused on their treatment of Jews and Israel, which sometimes sets up a two-tiered scheme of salvation. A lot of criticism has been focused on Dispensationalism as a surprisingly recent belief system.

Both are very real problems in DPism.

Dispensationalists are extreme literalists but this doesn't mean that they agree with other literalists.

The first part is not quite true; they are literalistics, not literalists; they don't actually read prophetic scripture literally and they definitely don't like others' literal readings. Two most divisive places where this is apparent are the mentions of "this generation " in the gospels, and the "time is near" in Revelation.

As we shall see, the Dispensationalists say that the crucifixion of Christ and the entire church age that followed, is only a "parenthesis" in God's plan. God's original plan is on hold. Most Christians find this rather jarring, considering the emphasis that Paul put on "Christ crucified."

Yep.

This thread focuses on the most basic idea of Dispensationalism, besides dispensations. Dispensationalism claims that God offered the Jews a chance to make Jesus their earthly King. Jesus would then have overthrown the Romans and established Israel as a theocratic Kingdom, eventually covering the world. Since this was God's original plan, Christianity came about when the Jews rejected the Kingship of Jesus. God went to Plan B, which included the (crucifixion), the (resurrection), the (ascension), (Pentecost), and the (church age).

"This offer of the kingdom which was extended through Christ, John, and the disciples to the nation [Israel] was rejected by that nation, notwithstanding the fact that it was in complete fulfillment of every divinely given prediction. It was a bona fide offer and, had they received Him as their King, the nation's hope would have been realized."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one. Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Chapter V: The Kingdom Rejected and Postponed, Kindle location 3470-3473.

Chafer (1871-1952) founded the Dallas Theological Seminary. He is one of the most frequently quoted Dispensationalists. According to Chafer, there are seven Dispensations in the Bible. Other interpreters have added or subtracted from this. More conventional theologians say there are only two, the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The claim of a Kingdom offer made by Chafer and other Dispensationalists is flatly contrary to the Bible................

Rev. Chafer's notion that the crucifixion wasn't planed from the beginning is apparently contradicted by this verse.

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was to betray him.
John 6:70-71 RSV

It looks like Judas was chosen as an Apostle precisely because the crucifixion was the plan from the beginning.

Excellent work! I appreciate you citing the source. Chafer's book, "Dispensationalism," is among the best on the subject of those written by Dispensational Premillennialists.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This thread focuses on the most basic idea of Dispensationalism, besides dispensations. Dispensationalism claims that God offered the Jews a chance to make Jesus their earthly King.

This isn't true of 'dispensationalism' (unless you found a rare or unique group somewhere).., nor in line with Scripture, nor in line with God's Plan.

Nor is this premise truth >>>

As we shall see, the Dispensationalists say that the crucifixion of Christ and the entire church age that followed, is only a "parenthesis" in God's plan. God's original plan is on hold.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I cannot accept dispensationalism, because it ignores the words of Christ and the words of apostles and builds almost everything on the Old testament.

This is not true at all of dispensationalism, unless you found a rare, unique group somewhere that holds to that.

 

[Dale]

This isn't true of 'dispensationalism' (unless you found a rare or unique group somewhere).., nor in line with Scripture, nor in line with God's Plan.

Nor is this premise truth >>>

I devoted Post #3 to quotes from L.S. Chafer on the notion of the Parenthesis.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I devoted Post #3 to quotes from L.S. Chafer on the notion of the Parenthesis.

So ?

 

[Dale]

This isn't true of 'dispensationalism' (unless you found a rare or unique group somewhere).., nor in line with Scripture, nor in line with God's Plan.

Nor is this premise truth >>>

The following quote is from the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) under
Classical Dispensationalism:


"The Church is a parenthesis in history between the times of God dealing with Israel "

Link
What is dispensationalism? | CARM.org

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Compare that to what you said in the op:

is only a "parenthesis" in God's plan. God's original plan is on hold. Most Christians find this rather jarring,

 

[Dale]

I assume this is about Dispensational Premillennialism (DP), and not merely the construct of viewing scripture through dispensations.

Perhaps, but I find at least six other concerns associated with Dispnesational Premillennialism aside from the their view of the rapture.

1) Adherents don't practice their hermeneutic (the aforementioned literalism).
2) No other theology generates the kind of and as many false teachers and prognosticators as DPism.
3) They don't hold accountable those who teach and prognosticate falsely.
4) The theology leads to dissociative living in which adherents don't actually live as they believe.
5) The theology radically changes 1800 years of Christian thought and compromises core doctrines.
6) As a result a poor witness to the world is provided because outsiders see the inconsistency.​

And I would add concerns about the inherent pessimism but that overlaps many of the above items.

Both are very real problems in DPism.

The first part is not quite true; they are literalistics, not literalists; they don't actually read prophetic scripture literally and they definitely don't like others' literal readings. Two most divisive places where this is apparent are the mentions of "this generation " in the gospels, and the "time is near" in Revelation.

Yep.

Excellent work! I appreciate you citing the source. Chafer's book, "Dispensationalism," is among the best on the subject of those written by Dispensational Premillennialists.

Josheb: "1) Adherents don't practice their hermeneutic (the aforementioned literalism)."

You mean they aren't consistent. Somebody said that they tend to treat history as symbolism and yet they take a lot of prophecy, which is obviously symbolic, literally.

Josheb: "4) The theology leads to dissociative living in which adherents don't actually live as they believe."

People who are obsessed with end-of-the-world scenarios don't seem to be into solving real world problems.

Josheb: "6) As a result a poor witness to the world is provided because outsiders see the inconsistency."

Definitely a poor witness. One of the points that most baffles me is this. For the average Dispensationalist, the whole point is that God will Rapture believers off the earth before persecution starts. Can you imagine how stupid this sounds in parts of the world where persecution of Christians is already happening? And has been for years?

Josheb: "Excellent work! I appreciate you citing the source."

Thanks! My compliment accepting department is open 24 hours a day.

Josheb: " Chafer's book, "Dispensationalism," is among the best on the subject of those written by Dispensational Premillennialists."

I don't think I've seen that one. Maybe I'll look for it.

 

[Dale]

Compare that to what you said in the op:

Jeff, you reply is so brief it's hard to tell what you are objecting to. You're apparently saying that I haven't backed up my summary of the D's, that God's original plan is on hold. Try this.

Oswald T. Allis said this in a 1936 article, Modern Dispensationalism:

<< In the comment on Zech. vi. 51, there is definite reference to the priesthood of Christ. But this note is itself an anomaly because according to the definite teaching of the Scofield Bible, the “rejection of the king “, which led directly to the Cross , ” was as yet locked up in the secret counsels of God ” (p.998). >>

Allis is commenting on the notes in the Scofield Bible. Note that the "'rejection of the king,'" who is Jesus, leads "directly to the cross." If we are to believe Scofield and the Dispensationalists, the Cross, the Resurrection, and the Church were not inevitable but were a response to "'the rejection of the king.'"

Dispensationalists strongly deny that Old Testament prophecy foresees the Church. I've had that discussion on CF myself. In their view, the OT prophets didn't know about the Church because the "'the secret counsels of God'" had not yet decided there was to be a Church distinct from Israel.

Link
Modern dispensationalism | Banner of Truth USA

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Allis is commenting on the notes in the Scofield Bible. Note that the "'rejection of the king,'" who is Jesus, leads "directly to the cross." If we are to believe Scofield and the Dispensationalists, the Cross, the Resurrection, and the Church were not inevitable but were a response to "'the rejection of the king.'"

No.
That sort of logic is invalid.
Yahuweh always knew and orchestrated everything, including the rejection of the KING OF KINGS JESUS OUR SAVIOR.
From what you posted so far, THEY DID NOT SAY , nor imply, that those things were not inevitable, NOR did they say nor imply that they were a response to "the rejection of the king" in any way unknown or unplanned by Yahuweh and Yahushua before anything was created.

YOU said they implied that, in a way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan, but so far it looks NOT LIKE THEY DID in any way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan - not in any way contrary to Scripture , FROM WHAT YOU POSTED SO FAR.

 

[Josheb]

No.
That sort of logic is invalid.
Yahuweh always knew and orchestrated everything, including the rejection of the KING OF KINGS JESUS OUR SAVIOR.
From what you posted so far, THEY DID NOT SAY , nor imply, that those things were not inevitable, NOR did they say nor imply that they were a response to "the rejection of the king" in any way unknown or unplanned by Yahuweh and Yahushua before anything was created.

YOU said they implied that, in a way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan, but so far it looks NOT LIKE THEY DID in any way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan - not in any way contrary to Scripture , FROM WHAT YOU POSTED SO FAR.

Are you interested in finding any common ground with Dale?

Are you looking to find, note, and accept what fact/truth is contained in his posts?

Are you proactively looking for flaws in his posts so as to somehow invalidate the op?

Are you Dispensationalist?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you interested in finding any common ground with Dale?

Yahuweh's Choice. (or Yahuweh Willing). There are many posters/ posts/ I , without trying to even, find common ground with - like @Der Alter , who is wonderful combatting the false gospel of u.r. ... on other things, we have strong disagreements so far. It will take a number of months to work those out, probably.

Are you looking to find, note, and accept what fact/truth is contained in his posts?

That might not be important. When someone goes to look at cars to buy one, 99 things might be flawless on it, but just one thing out of place or even just dirty might stand out as needing addressed. Even if 99 things are right in a message, if there is just one contradiction to Scripture, then the message is not accepted. Not in full anyway (I haven't thought about this but perhaps a good example will be provided - oh, yes, like the u.r. false gospel - universalism tries like others also to use Scripture to support itself, but fails every time. just knowing a message is from that false gospel is reason enough to have nothing to do with it, other than to expose it. (it is harder when they pretend on other sections not to be promoting a false gospel, and just quote Scripture on other topics to entice people to listen to them)

Are you proactively looking for flaws in his posts so as to somehow invalidate the op?

Not at all the way you put it, no.
edit in: (after posting)> After I saved the post, and saw again the title of the thread, I realized that the title itself was a hint that there was probably an error so to be cautious at least while reading the content.
What is written(if you remember), to do with any message before accepting it ?

Are you Dispensationalist?

I don't know what you mean by that question, nor by that term.

 

[Dale]

No.
That sort of logic is invalid.
Yahuweh always knew and orchestrated everything, including the rejection of the KING OF KINGS JESUS OUR SAVIOR.
From what you posted so far, THEY DID NOT SAY , nor imply, that those things were not inevitable, NOR did they say nor imply that they were a response to "the rejection of the king" in any way unknown or unplanned by Yahuweh and Yahushua before anything was created.

YOU said they implied that, in a way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan, but so far it looks NOT LIKE THEY DID in any way not in line with Yahuweh's Plan - not in any way contrary to Scripture , FROM WHAT YOU POSTED SO FAR.

Chafer does say that God knew that the Jews would make the mistake of rejecting Christ's offer of kingship--which is a little confusing.

Here is a quote from L.S. Chafer different from the one I used in the OP.

"When the Messiah had been positively rejected by the Jews, He began, alone, without even the sympathy of His disciples, to unfold this forthcoming mystery-age, which had been kept secret in the councils of God, and which was more perfectly revealed to Paul, the first messenger to the Gentiles."

Chafer, Lewis Sperry. The Collected Works of Lewis Sperry Chafer - Seven books in one . Jawbone Digital. Kindle Edition. Satan, Chapter 2, Kindle location 237

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay, step by step let's try this:

Chafer does say that God knew that the Jews would make the mistake of rejecting Christ's offer of kingship--which is a little confusing.

(IF and ) When was Jesus' offer of kingship made to the Jews ? (any offer of kingship : temporal, eternal, physical, spiritual .... in Scripture)

When did the Apostles and permanent disciples /Ekklesia/ learn of His kingship and accept it His Way (not as if earthly king at the time which apparently so many expected including some disciples) .... ?
On Pentecost, did those who were saved knowingly and wittingly believe and accept Jesus' kingship at that time ?

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Here is a quote from L.S. Chafer different from the one I used in the OP.
"When the Messiah had been positively rejected by the Jews, He began, alone, without even the sympathy of His disciples, to unfold this forthcoming mystery-age, which had been kept secret in the councils of God, and which was more perfectly revealed to Paul, the first messenger to the Gentiles."

Are you showing that this is not supported by Scripture, and not from Scripture, in full or in part;

or do you think it is from Scripture, in full or in part ?

 

[Dale]

Okay, step by step let's try this:

(IF and ) When was Jesus' offer of kingship made to the Jews ? (any offer of kingship : temporal, eternal, physical, spiritual .... in Scripture)

When did the Apostles and permanent disciples /Ekklesia/ learn of His kingship and accept it His Way (not as if earthly king at the time which apparently so many expected including some disciples) .... ?
On Pentecost, did those who were saved knowingly and wittingly believe and accept Jesus' kingship at that time ?

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Are you showing that this is not supported by Scripture, and not from Scripture, in full or in part;

or do you think it is from Scripture, in full or in part ?

Jeff: "(IF and ) When was Jesus' offer of kingship made to the Jews ? (any offer of kingship : temporal, eternal, physical, spiritual .... in Scripture)"


I never said there was such an offer, but it is the central pointof Dispensationalism, particularly Classic Dispensationalism. In one form or another, Dispensationalism is very influential these days. The Left Behind books and movies are based on it.

I reject Dispensationalism. On the Eschatology forum, it is the norm.