THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

"This view (Restitution of All) is so clearly Scriptural that the only surprise is that it has not been more definitely and widely held." -Dr. A.T. Pierson-

Prof. Thomas Talbott

Thomas Talbott- The Inescapable Love of God - 2nd Edition

LoveGodsWord said:

Please see post # 2001 linked.

God's Word teaches...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

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That's all right, lotsa destruction. But in which of those scriptures does God SWEAR AN OATH BY HIMSELF?

His overriding, overaraching and paramount obligation is to have everyone swear allegiance to Him (Isa 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10, Rev 15:4 etc etc).

So how can He do that to the unrepentant wicked? By destroying their unrepentance and wickedness. How? By His righteous word gone out and revealed through the gospel truth. Bringing forth faith and belief in Christ. Behold, all things made new!

Get ready to have your false beliefs destroyed in the fire. We'll all need cleansing.

FineLinen said:

"This view (Restitution of All) is so clearly Scriptural that the only surprise is that it has not been more definitely and widely held." -Dr. A.T. Pierson-

Prof. Thomas Talbott

Thomas Talbott- The Inescapable Love of God - 2nd Edition

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I am a convinced universalist.

I believe that in the end all men will be gathered into the love of God.

In the early days Origen was the great name connected with universalism. I would believe with Origen that universalism is no easy thing. Origen believed that after death there were many who would need prolonged instruction, the sternest discipline, even the severest punishment before they were fit for the presence of God. Origen did not eliminate hell; he believed that some people would have to go to heaven via hell.

Origen

He believed that even at the end of the day there would be some on whom the scars remained. He did not believe in eternal punishment, but he did see the possibility of eternal penalty. And so the choice is whether we accept God’s offer and invitation willingly, or take the long and terrible way round through ages of purification.

Gregory of Nyssa offered three reasons why he believed in universalism.

First, he believed in it because of the character of God. “Being good, God entertains pity for fallen man; being wise, he is not ignorant of the means for his recovery.”

Second, he believed in it because of the nature of evil. Evil must in the end be moved out of existence, “so that the absolutely non-existent should cease to be at all.” Evil is essentially negative and doomed to non-existence.

Third, he believed in it because of the purpose of punishment. The purpose of punishment is always remedial. Its aim is “to get the good separated from the evil and to attract it into the communion of blessedness.” Punishment will hurt, but it is like the fire which separates the alloy from the gold; it is like the surgery which removes the diseased thing; it is like the cautery which burns out that which cannot be removed any other way.

But I want to set down not the arguments of others but the thoughts which have persuaded me personally of universal salvation.

First, there is the fact that there are things in the New Testament which more than justify this belief. Jesus said: “I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself” (John 12:32). Paul writes to the Romans: “God has consigned all men to disobedience that he may have mercy on all” (Rom. 11:32).

He writes to the Corinthians: “As in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Cor. 15:22); and he looks to the final total triumph when God will be everything to everyone (1 Cor. 15:28).

In the First Letter to Timothy we read of God “who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” and of Christ Jesus “who gave himself as a ransom for all” (1 Tim 2:4-6). The New Testament itself is not in the least afraid of the word all.

Second, one of the key passages is Matthew 25:46 where it is said that the rejected go away to eternal punishment, and the righteous to eternal life. The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. I think it is true to say that in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment.

The word for eternal is aionios. It means more than everlasting, for Plato – who may have invented the word – plainly says that a thing may be everlasting and still not be aionios. The simplest way to out it is that aionios cannot be used properly of anyone but God; it is the word uniquely, as Plato saw it, of God. Eternal punishment is then literally that kind of remedial punishment which it befits God to give and which only God can give.

Third, I believe that it is impossible to set limits to the grace of God. I believe that not only in this world, but in any other world there may be, the grace of God is still effective, still operative, still at work. I do not believe that the operation of the grace of God is limited to this world. I believe that the grace of God is as wide as the universe.

Fourth, I believe implicitly in the ultimate and complete , the time when all things will be subject to him, and when God will be everything to everyone (1 Cor. 15:24-28).

For me this has certain consequences.

If one man remains outside the love of God at the end of time, it means that that one man has defeated the love of God – and that is impossible.

Further, there is only one way in which we can think of the triumph of God.

If God was no more than a King or Judge, then it would be possible to speak of his triumph, if his enemies were agonizing in hell or were totally and completely obliterated and wiped out.

But God is not only King and Judge, God is Father – he is indeed Father more than anything else. No father could be happy while there were members of his family for ever in agony. No father would count it a triumph to obliterate the disobedient members of his family.

The only triumph a father can know is to have all his family back home. The only victory love can enjoy is the day when its offer of love is answered by the return of love. The only possible final triumph is a universe loved by and in love with God. -Dr. Wm. Barclay-

LoveGodsWord said:

It is time to leave the doctrine of fallen Eve dear friend and drink of the waters of life where you will never thirst...

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It is amusing that we both feel the same way about one another's theology.

I don't understand how you think that God is glorified if most ppl end up destroyed and dead forever, as compared to the outcome that all are raised, cleansed and healed.

Shrewd Manager said:

It is amusing that we both feel the same way about one another's theology.
I don't understand how you think that God is glorified if most ppl end up destroyed and dead forever, as compared to the outcome that all are raised, cleansed and healed.

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Most unfortunate that UR-ites cannot provide one scripture which states unequivocally "that all are raised, cleansed and healed." even after death.

Shrewd Manager said:

It is amusing that we both feel the same way about one another's theology.

I don't understand how you think that God is glorified if most ppl end up destroyed and dead forever, as compared to the outcome that all are raised, cleansed and healed.

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Dear Shrewd: the fallen lady of chance has a need for a new vision of grandeur.

Please do not disclose what the anakainosis for the holus-bolus entails.

I am part of your group with much need as the holus-bolus to know the wonder of anakainosis in greater dimensions.

FineLinen said:

Dear Shrewd: the fallen lady of chance has a need for a new vision of grandeur.

Please do not disclose what the anakainosis for the holus-bolus entails.

I am part of your group with much need as the holus-bolus to know the wonder of anakainosis in greater dimensions.

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My Dear Brother, as you know only God can reveal the awesome perfect beautiful glorious truth of the universal homecoming, the consummation of the ages in the redemption, reconciliation, restoration and renewal of all creation.

We see now only as through a glass, darkly. But then face to face: now we know in part; but then shall we know even as also we are known.

Shrewd Manager said:

My Dear Brother, as you know only God can reveal the awesome perfect beautiful glorious truth of the universal homecoming, the consummation of the ages in the redemption, reconciliation, restoration and renewal of all creation.

We see now only as through a glass, darkly. But then face to face: now we know in part; but then shall we know even as also we are known.

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Dear Ben: How glorious is the Hope of God actually bringing His mystery into complete satisfaction to Himself.

Yes, my brother and fellow pilgrim in the heavenly Way, His reconciliation and renewal is unprecedented in scope.

The transcendent love of God. =

koine huperballo=

To throw over or beyond.

Exceeding/ excelling/ surpassing.

English=

Definition of TRANSCENDENT

"The gospel of a God found in broken flesh, humility, and measureless charity has defeated all the old lies, rendered the ancient order visibly insufficient and even slightly absurd, and instilled in us a longing for transcendent love so deep that-if once yielded to-it will never grant us rest anywhere but in Christ." -David Bentley Hart-

Brother I just learned that the name David means 'beloved' in Hebrew.

and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt 3:17)

It occurred to me that God is telling the Jews that Jesus is His son of the line of David ('Here is my son of David'), anointing Jesus as the Messiah at his baptism in the Jordan.

Shrewd Manager said:

Brother I just learned that the name David means 'beloved' in Hebrew.

and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt 3:17)

It occurred to me that God is telling the Jews that Jesus is His son of the line of David ('Here is my son of David'), anointing Jesus as the Messiah at his baptism in the Jordan.

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You might be interested in these videos which explore versions of Matthew’s gospel in Hebrew. They haven’t gotten to chapter 3 yet if you wanted to ask them in advance

Hebrew Gospel Pearls-Episode 1

Hebrew Gospel Pearls #2 - Matthew 1:18-25 - NehemiasWall.com

Philippians 2:10-11

"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Note on "acknowledge"

eksomologéō from ek, "wholly out from,"

Fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Verse 10

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι — hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi).

First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina

Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven.

This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.

Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead.

Here only in the N.T. -Robertson Word Pictures-

FineLinen said:

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FineLinen said:

Philippians 2:10-11
"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Note on "acknowledge"
eksomologéō from ek, "wholly out from,"
Fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Verse 10
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι — hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi).
First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina
Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven.
This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.
Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead.
Here only in the N.T. -Robertson Word Pictures-

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The usual UR twisted scripture.
Scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomolgeo occurs eleven times in the NT, in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back).”
It never means whole-heartedly etc.
…..Scripture says that every knee will bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies.
How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
The word of God says every knee will bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.
But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars," Rev 21:8, etc. who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
.....This is another important point, it is recorded 9 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.
What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
This is how the enemies of Joshua, the first Jesus, were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.

"How could the Bible possibly speak of the perfect victory of God our Creator who loves righteousness and cannot bear evil, if that victory really means that He cannot bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it, but must confirm multitudes, indeed the majority of them, in their choice of evil for ever and ever?... What sort of victory is it to be able only to subdue evil and prevent it harming any but those who choose it, and to be unable to bring human souls to abominate it and desire to forsake it, so that the evil itself ceases to exist?" -Hannah Hurnard-

Everything Is Black & White: everything!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

FineLinen said:

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FineLinen said:

"How could the Bible possibly speak of the perfect victory of God our Creator who loves righteousness and cannot bear evil, if that victory really means that He cannot bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it, but must confirm multitudes, indeed the majority of them, in their choice of evil for ever and ever?... What sort of victory is it to be able only to subdue evil and prevent it harming any but those who choose it, and to be unable to bring human souls to abominate it and desire to forsake it, so that the evil itself ceases to exist?" -Hannah Hurnard.

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Yet another quote from a UR guru with no, zero, none scripture just the ear tickling false message that all mankind will be saved , no matter what.
If, as UR-ites argue, God can and is going to "bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it" and bring them to ,"desire to forsake it,[evil] so that the evil itself ceases to exist" why does God permit them to live a life of sin, punish them for some period of time then make all those changes? Why doesn't God change their hearts and minds right here in this world?

"Love, goodness, and communication of good, is the immutable glory and perfection of the divine nature, and nothing can have union with God, but that which partakes of this goodness. The love that brought forth the existence of all things, changes not through the fall of its creatures, but is continually at work, to bring back all fallen nature and creature to their first state of goodness. All that passes for a time between God and his fallen creature, is but one and the same thing, working for one and the same end; and though this is called wrath, that called punishment, curse, and death, it is all from the beginning to the end, nothing but the work of the first creating love, and means nothing else, does nothing else, but those works of purifying fire, which must, and alone can burn away all that dark evil, which separates the creature from its first created union with God. God's providence, from the fall to the restitution of all things, is doing the same thing, as when he said to the dark chaos of fallen nature, "Let there be light"; he still says, and will continue saying the same thing, till there is no evil of darkness left in all that is nature and creature. God creating, God illuminating, God sanctifying, God threatening and punishing, God forgiving and redeeming, is but one and the same essential, immutable, never ceasing working of the divine nature. That in God which illuminates and glorifies saints and angels in heaven, is that very same working of the divine nature, which wounds, pains, punishes, and purifies sinners upon earth. And (N.B.) every number of destroyed sinners, whether thrown by Noah's flood, or Sodom's brimstone, into the terrible furnace of a life, insensible of anything but new forms of raging misery till judgment's day, must through the all -working, all- redeeming love of God, which never ceases, come at last to know that they had lost, and have found again such a God of love as this."

"And if long and long ages of fiery pain, and tormenting darkness. fall to the share of many, or most of God's apostate creatures, they will last no longer, than till the great fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self died in the long agonies and bloody sweat of a lost God, which is that all-saving cross of Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power, till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God." -William Law-

"I want to encourage you, beloved. The Word of God portrays a time and conception of the purpose of Jesus Christ when the world, being redeemed unto Christ, no longer needs the redeeming merit of the Savior. So Jesus, having subjected all things unto Himself, is Himself also subjected unto the Father, that God may be all in all."

"God is not all in all, and never will be all in all, until the will of God rules in the heart of every man, in the soul of every man, until the redemption of Jesus Christ in its great and ultimate purpose becomes a reality, a finality." -John G. Lake-

God is the Source, Guide, Goal of ta panta !