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not without some looking and, frankly, i'm tired of all that hunt-n-seek routine for the moment.daneel said:....Dr. Ballou thinks that this father held that the wicked "will not be raised from the dead, but exist hereafter as incorporeal spirits." He was martyred A.D. 107.
Do you know of anything written by Ignatius that could qualify this statement?
Pilgrim 33 said:[SIZE=-1]well, you're certainly welcome to research, study and cut-n-paste yourself from early sources--especially seeing as how the later "versions" (ie kjv, niv, etc) are NOT the entire complete and perfect 100% word of God but, instead, ONLY CONTAIN the perfect word of God wrapped up in a lot of purposefully incorrect man made lies and distortions.[/SIZE]
Pilgrim 33 said:[SIZE=-1]Colossians 2:8, "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
1 Timothy 6:20, "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"
Ecclesiastes 3:19, "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity."[/SIZE]
daneel, there appears to be some miniscule static on the line; anyway, since i'll be out most of the day, i'll take a look at the link when i get back. have a good one!daneel said:http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-59.htm#P7142_1854703
Ignatius against heresies
I would ask you to read the entire page.
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Pilgrim 33 said:daneel, there appears to be some miniscule static on the line; anyway, since i'll be out most of the day, i'll take a look at the link when i get back. have a good one!
daneel said:http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-59.htm#P7142_1854703
Ignatius against heresies
I would ask you to read the entire page.
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sheesh, they're as bad as messageboards with their vainful opinions and at least as gloomy as Augustine!
Der Alter said:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There are lies and distortions alright but they are not where you claim. Now you are making unsubstantiated claims about the Bible. But I do not rely on any version. I read both Biblical languages, and have for over 2 decades. Actually I have been speaking Greek for over 4 decades.
Had you actually been paying attention you would have noticed I quoted the text according to NA26.
stevebradley said:blah blah blah blah
another excellent self promotion post
it seems to be what your best at!
in case you haven't realised, nobody cares
Pilgrim 33 said:[SIZE=-1]well, you're certainly welcome to research, study and cut-n-paste yourself from early sources--especially seeing as how the later "versions" (ie kjv, niv, etc) are NOT the entire complete and perfect 100% word of God but, instead, ONLY CONTAIN the perfect word of God wrapped up in a lot of purposefully incorrect man made lies and distortions.[/SIZE]
Der Alter said:I have a ninety-three page article refuting Universalism, I will post a few pages of it momentarily.
Der Alter said:They emphasize humanistic values and justice over God's own wisdom and holiness to contradict Isaiah 55:8, where it is written: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD."
Der Alter said:1. Rubberstamp Argument:
2. Inaccurate Quotation:
3. Twisted Translation:
4. Biblical Hook:
5. Ignoring the Immediate Context:5.a. Ignoring the Broader Context:6. Collapsing Contexts:
7. Overspecification:
8. Word Play:
9. The Figurative Fallacy:
10. Speculative Readings of Predictive Prophesy:
11. Saying But Not Citing:
12. Selective Citing:
13. Inadequate Evidence:
14. Confused Definition:
15. Ignoring Alternate Explanations:
16. The Obvious Fallacy:
17. Virtue by Association:
18. Esoteric Interpretation:
19. Rejecting Biblical Authority:
20. World-view Confusion:
21. Change Historical Authority:
22. Babbling technique:
LittleNipper said:Universalism is an excuse to live anyway one chooses and believe anything one desires and do whatever one wishes, because GOD will excuse everything anyway.
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