The Failure of the SDA Church

[Contented]

18 Years ago Genocide in Rwanda. I posted this in News and Current Affairs, many here might not know of this.
Seventh Day Adventist pastor who led Tutsis in Rwanda

BBC NEWS | Africa | Pastor aided Rwanda genocide

Adventist Leader is also charged with murder in ...

SDA CHURCH'S HIDDEN HOLOCAUST CLOSETS"

Seventh-day Adventist support of and participation in Hitler's


Our church has a checkered past. Time will tell IF this behaviour will be repeated. A church if it claims to be the Remnant church MUST be willing to take a stand for righteousness. Does not make sense claiming that you believe in the Sabbath AND YET are unwilling to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN men. I distinctly remember the events of Rwanda BUT never knew the church I was a member of its pastors would be implicated. I know the corporate body is NOT RESPONSIBLE, but if we claim to be the people of God we must believe the SAME things and act the same way. Individual members must be accountable.

This same unwillingness to take a stand is what is happening concerning abortions in our hospitals. May God give us the courage to be like the Apostle Paul, WE WILL OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.

 

[JohnMarsten]

It has become clear to me that the SDA has many skeletons hidden...

 

[Contented]

It has become clear to me that the SDA has many skeletons hidden...

The problem is not having the skeletons BUT willing to admit that they are and the spiritual discernment to see and do something about it.

 

[reddogs]

18 Years ago Genocide in Rwanda. I posted this in News and Current Affairs, many here might not know of this.
Seventh Day Adventist pastor who led Tutsis in Rwanda

BBC NEWS | Africa | Pastor aided Rwanda genocide

Adventist Leader is also charged with murder in ...

SDA CHURCH'S HIDDEN HOLOCAUST CLOSETS"

Seventh-day Adventist support of and participation in Hitler's


Our church has a checkered past. Time will tell IF this behaviour will be repeated. A church if it claims to be the Remnant church MUST be willing to take a stand for righteousness. Does not make sense claiming that you believe in the Sabbath AND YET are unwilling to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN men. I distinctly remember the events of Rwanda BUT never knew the church I was a member of its pastors would be implicated. I know the corporate body is NOT RESPONSIBLE, but if we claim to be the people of God we must believe the SAME things and act the same way. Individual members must be accountable.

This same unwillingness to take a stand is what is happening concerning abortions in our hospitals. May God give us the courage to be like the Apostle Paul, WE WILL OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.

I would say as Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. You will find issues everywhere if that is what you are looking for, but if you seek the truth.......

 

[LOCO]

Catholics also have a checkered past but that is part of being human and the Church is made up of humans, sinners with flaws, struggling to keep our faith relevant in an increasingly militant secular and atheistic world. I accept my Church flaws and all. Every church has it's problems and issues and history. We should expect more of our church leaders and elders but they are also human and can make bad decisions.

 

[Contented]

I would say as Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. You will find issues everywhere if that is what you are looking for, but if you seek the truth.......

All are sinners...but you exhibit the traditional SDA view on sin instead of confronting it you are trying to live in denial. Why am I not surprise at your comment. I can easily predict your comments whenever someone post about things that are wrong within the SDA. Remember what happened to Eli two sons, he KNEW they were sinning...yet he refused to speak out. Your screen names perhaps says a lot about you.

Imagine the church in Africa is against homosexuality BUT check this

Loma Linda SDA minister Promotes Homosexual Marriage

I have no time to argue on here, I know of whom I believe. Jesus is the TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE. If these things make you uncomfortable no problem sir, I can now comprehend why Christ had such a problem with the Scribes, Pharisees and the religious leaders of his day.

 

[reddogs]

All are sinners...but you exhibit the traditional SDA view on sin instead of confronting it you are trying to live in denial. Why am I not surprise at your comment. I can easily predict your comments whenever someone post about things that are wrong within the SDA. Remember what happened to Eli two sons, he KNEW they were sinning...yet he refused to speak out. Your screen names perhaps says a lot about you.

Imagine the church in Africa is against homosexuality BUT check this

Loma Linda SDA minister Promotes Homosexual Marriage

I have no time to argue on here, I know of whom I believe. Jesus is the TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE. If these things make you uncomfortable no problem sir, I can now comprehend why Christ had such a problem with the Scribes, Pharisees and the religious leaders of his day.

and you exibit many of the things you acuse others of..

 

[JohnMarsten]

I would say as Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. You will find issues everywhere if that is what you are looking for, but if you seek the truth.......

well, its not that simple! in fact it is a very delicate matter... judge not lest you be judged and yet the righteous man judges all things...

of course he who is without sin shall cast the first stone... but then was John the baptist without sin? why did he cast a stone on herod? or didnt he... he paid a lot for this stone...

exposing things is not a bad thing... it is what we are supposed to do... iron sharpen iron... you know... when I was young the SDA taught me how bad the catholic church was... middle ages, false doctrines etc. and that we should tell other people...

What Contented is doing here is making all of us aware of the state of the church... it is warning not to partake in that wrong doing...

 

[Contented]

well, its not that simple! in fact it is a very delicate matter... judge not lest you be judged and yet the righteous man judges all things...

of course he who is without sin shall cast the first stone... but then was John the baptist without sin? why did he cast a stone on herod? or didnt he... he paid a lot for this stone...

exposing things is not a bad thing... it is what we are supposed to do... iron sharpen iron... you know... when I was young the SDA taught me how bad the catholic church was... middle ages, false doctrines etc. and that we should tell other people...

What Contented is doing here is making all of us aware of the state of the church... it is warning not to partake in that wrong doing...

For anyone to call sin and challenge the church they themselves must be able to see. Spiritual blindness is deadly. This attitude seems to be a SDA thing since those here in Barbados have the same attitude. I will NEVER STOP SPEAKING OUT. I am a sinner saved by grace, we all know that, But God through the prophet said. WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL.

 

[reddogs]

For anyone to call sin and challenge the church they themselves must be able to see. Spiritual blindness is deadly. This attitude seems to be a SDA thing since those here in Barbados have the same attitude. I will NEVER STOP SPEAKING OUT. I am a sinner saved by grace, we all know that, But God through the prophet said. WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL.

But we have to speak for what is Gods purpose, not what the Pharisees did, acusing and speaking against the truth that was before them and ignoring their own sins..

 

[Castaway57]

18 Years ago Genocide in Rwanda. I posted this in News and Current Affairs, many here might not know of this.

Our church has a checkered past. Time will tell IF this behaviour will be repeated. A church if it claims to be the Remnant church MUST be willing to take a stand for righteousness. Does not make sense claiming that you believe in the Sabbath AND YET are unwilling to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN men. I distinctly remember the events of Rwanda BUT never knew the church I was a member of its pastors would be implicated. I know the corporate body is NOT RESPONSIBLE, but if we claim to be the people of God we must believe the SAME things and act the same way. Individual members must be accountable.

This same unwillingness to take a stand is what is happening concerning abortions in our hospitals. May God give us the courage to be like the Apostle Paul, WE WILL OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.

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I don't think you really understand what you are saying here. Nor are you living up to your user name. IMHO

Shall any one of us let the shame of our nakedness appear in the use of our God-given faculties of speech, and in the use of our pen? {CW 100.1}

Jesus, who died for us, loves us with a love that is infinite; and we must love one another. We must put away all selfishness, and work together in love and unity. We have loved and petted ourselves, and excused ourselves in waywardness; but we have been unmerciful toward our brethren, who may not be as faulty as ourselves. The Lord loves us, and bears with us, even when we are ungrateful to him, forgetful of his mercies, wickedly unbelieving; but consider, brethren, how relentless we are to one another, how pitiless; how we hurt and wound one another, when we should love as Christ has loved us. Let us make a complete change. Let us cultivate the precious plant of love, and delight to help one another. We must be kind, forbearing, patient with one another's errors; we must keep our sharp criticisms for ourselves, but hope all things, believe all things, of our brethren. {GW92 429.3}

Let us be guarded. Let us refuse to allow the criticisms of anyone to imprint objections on our minds. Let criticizers live by their trade of criticism. They cannot speak in favor of the very best of blessings without attaching a criticism to cast a shadow of reproach. Let us educate ourselves to praise that which is good when others criticize. Murmurers will always pick flaws, but let us not be saddened by the accusing element. Let us not consider it a virtue to make and suggest difficulties which one mind and another will bring in to harass and perplex.--Letter 87, 1900. {3SM 120.1}

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Aren't we supposed to be proclaiming the three angels messages? How does self deprecating our own faith glorify God?

 

[Castaway57]

Very true ECR

 

[ChrisCarol]

But we have to speak for what is Gods purpose, not what the Pharisees did, acusing and speaking against the truth that was before them and ignoring their own sins..

I see this as God's purpose:

John 6:38-40



38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Let God be true, and every man a liar." Rom 3:4

 

[Castaway57]

I see this as God's purpose:

John 6:38-40



38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Let God be true, and every man a liar." Rom 3:4

That is a very good point. I like that. Thanks!

 

[JDMiowa]

18 Years ago Genocide in Rwanda. I posted this in News and Current Affairs, many here might not know of this.
Seventh Day Adventist pastor who led Tutsis in Rwanda

BBC NEWS | Africa | Pastor aided Rwanda genocide

Adventist Leader is also charged with murder in ...

SDA CHURCH'S HIDDEN HOLOCAUST CLOSETS"

Seventh-day Adventist support of and participation in Hitler's


Our church has a checkered past. Time will tell IF this behaviour will be repeated. A church if it claims to be the Remnant church MUST be willing to take a stand for righteousness. Does not make sense claiming that you believe in the Sabbath AND YET are unwilling to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN men. I distinctly remember the events of Rwanda BUT never knew the church I was a member of its pastors would be implicated. I know the corporate body is NOT RESPONSIBLE, but if we claim to be the people of God we must believe the SAME things and act the same way. Individual members must be accountable.

This same unwillingness to take a stand is what is happening concerning abortions in our hospitals. May God give us the courage to be like the Apostle Paul, WE WILL OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.

. Well said!

 

[David Conklin]

18 Years ago Genocide in Rwanda. I posted this in News and Current Affairs, many here might not know of this.
Seventh Day Adventist pastor who led Tutsis in Rwanda

BBC NEWS | Africa | Pastor aided Rwanda genocide

Adventist Leader is also charged with murder in ...

SDA CHURCH'S HIDDEN HOLOCAUST CLOSETS"

Seventh-day Adventist support of and participation in Hitler's


Our church has a checkered past. Time will tell IF this behaviour will be repeated. A church if it claims to be the Remnant church MUST be willing to take a stand for righteousness. Does not make sense claiming that you believe in the Sabbath AND YET are unwilling to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN men. I distinctly remember the events of Rwanda BUT never knew the church I was a member of its pastors would be implicated. I know the corporate body is NOT RESPONSIBLE, but if we claim to be the people of God we must believe the SAME things and act the same way. Individual members must be accountable.

This same unwillingness to take a stand is what is happening concerning abortions in our hospitals. May God give us the courage to be like the Apostle Paul, WE WILL OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.

Isolated events are NOT indicative of the whole.

 

[stinsonmarri]

All are sinners...but you exhibit the traditional SDA view on sin instead of confronting it you are trying to live in denial. Why am I not surprise at your comment. I can easily predict your comments whenever someone post about things that are wrong within the SDA. Remember what happened to Eli two sons, he KNEW they were sinning...yet he refused to speak out. Your screen names perhaps says a lot about you.

Imagine the church in Africa is against homosexuality BUT check this

Loma Linda SDA minister Promotes Homosexual Marriage

I have no time to argue on here, I know of whom I believe. Jesus is the TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE. If these things make you uncomfortable no problem sir, I can now comprehend why Christ had such a problem with the Scribes, Pharisees and the religious leaders of his day.

Hey friend:
I missed you. You are correct because they certainly have jumped on me many times. But I' still here why one said they were leaving because of me. Yet I still see him commented here and there! Reddog is one of them also, but I still here with love. That is why the church is not the remnant. The 144,000 the true virgins will finish the work-simple and clear!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri