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The evil that plagues us......

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This happened at a nearby daycare and has left the people in the community shaken......

"...Some of the children quietly hid as a gunman killed a female teacher Friday afternoon at a Cape Coral daycare. Others witnessed the horror, splattered with her blood. None of the children were injured.
“There was a monster and then we went in the bathroom to hide,” 3-year-old Jasmine Morano said as her mother held her tightly. “The teacher said to be quiet.”

Morano said she heard firecrackers.

The “monster,” alleged shooter Robert Harold Dunn, 44, was arrested without incident and charged with first-degree felony murder , according to police. The victim was Christine Lozier, 36, according to Cape Coral Police Department spokesperson Dyan Lee.

Police responded to calls reporting an armed gunman at Bobbie Noonan's Daycare Center, 1217 Cape Coral Parkway, at 4:42 p.m. The center was open and operating with children in the building.

"That's the best daycare in the world with the best people taking care of them," said Sue Deems, grandparent of twin girls who she picked up from the daycare after shooting. "I'm just crushed that one of them is gone."

Upon arrival, officers heard two shots from inside the building. After entering, officers arrested Dunn and found Lozier dead. She had been shot more than once.
Eyewitness Frank Tavanger, 57, said that the two were ex-spouses...."

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/jan/25/one-dead-shooting-daycare-cape-coral/
 

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It's called SIN Red. All of these horrible atrocities going on as we speak is a result of UNBELIEF. As soon as Adam and Eve sinned thru unbelief, they began accusing each other and even accused God for their problems. In th human eye--it's always SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT isn't it?

It's just like we witness in this forum day in and day out. People complaining about the SDA church. They BLAME the church for their problems instead of pointing the cause back to themselves. They, like this man, would love nothing better than to try to kill the object (the SDA chruch) of their perceived damage.
 
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A few tings here about this story concern me though.

#1. The media are stressing that the children said there was 'monster' and then we went into the bathroom to hide. Now, those kids didn't use the word monster on their own. Not one child that I know of would have described a person with a gun as a 'monster'.

No--they would have said, "I saw a man with a gun", because kids are black and white. The word monster is a grey area, one an adult would use to describe what this guy did. So what does the media do? They capitalize on a word that some adult, probably the child's Mom used just prior to the press getting there, because they know that by this child using the word MONSTER it is going to get the ire of the public to a fever pitch. You gotta watch the press like a hawk. But sad to say most of America just sheeple behind every word they say or print.

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“Why don’t they have police officers at day care centers, when they have them at every high school?” he said.

Oh here we go again. Begging the cop squad to even further invade our lives. This is a perfect example of why gun control is so bad. If this man KNEW that his wife or some other person at that day care was packing, chances are he would have NEVER gone there in the first place.

You see--Americans are so brain-washed that they think that the only people that should have guns are the cops. How stupid is that? Cops are only called AFTER the fact and in most cases--wait like cowards behind their cars or tree's while the shooters do their dirty work inside the buildings.

How far would the Columbine shooters have gotten if EVERYBODY in that school had been armed? You see, guns in the right hands have ALWAYS deterred the evil doer. This is exactly why the government doesn't want YOU to have one. Because when YOU finally get a belly full of the EVIL government and revolt, they want you DISARMED--just like any criminal does.

Ok--this is my rant for the morning, but folks--we really need to rethink this violation of our 2nd amendment right to bear arms for self-protection.

 
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It's called SIN Red. All of these horrible atrocities going on as we speak is a result of UNBELIEF. As soon as Adam and Eve sinned thru unbelief, they began accusing each other and even accused God for their problems. In th human eye--it's always SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT isn't it?

It's just like we witness in this forum day in and day out. People complaining about the SDA church. They BLAME the church for their problems instead of pointing the cause back to themselves. They, like this man, would love nothing better than to try to kill the object (the SDA chruch) of their perceived damage.

Wow the first reaction is how people on this forum are like the murderer. In fact that statement is made after saying that they (Adam and Eve) began accusing each other. A lead-in to Honor accusing others.

I doubt however that she will see the problem there either however.
 
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