The EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly broken

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

No-one knows the identity of the Antichrist right now. He will come out of the EU, which is not in it's finally form yet of the ten leaders (King) form of "federalized" government. If you don't live in the EU, it is unlikely that you are aware of the "European Project" which is ultimately to make Europe into a United States of Europe.

If you do an you tube search on Nigel Farage and watch some of his videos which he interacts with the EU commission and parliament - it will help you understand the situation. Plus, he is quiet entertaining to listen to.

Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [a perfect description of the EU]

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another [In the EU are different cultures which Nigel Farage says cannot mix as one people], even as iron is not mixed with clay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM71zffDi90

Nigel Farage speaks in the first part of the video, then the other guy -which is non-english - so advance the video to minute 32.

Choose Wisely · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
No-one knows the identity of the Antichrist right now. He will come out of the EU, which is not in it's finally form yet of the ten leaders

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [a perfect description of the EU]

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another [In the EU are different cultures which Nigel Farage says cannot mix as one people], even as iron is not mixed with clay.

No where in the Bible does it say that the Antichrist is coming out of the EU.

Also, iron mixing with clay is shown to be that they shall mingle with the seed of men. The kingdom being spoken of appears to be the fallen angels and man joining forces. Men of course being clay and angels the iron.

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

Choose Wisely said:
No where in the Bible does it say that the Antichrist is coming out of the EU.

Also, iron mixing with clay is shown to be that they shall mingle with the seed of men. The kingdom being spoken of appears to be the fallen angels and man joining forces. Men of course being clay and angels the iron.

No, it is not fallen angels and humans. For one thing it is a continuation of the legs of iron, which was the Roman Empire - which was not a angel human kingdom. Angels were never the iron (as you are suggesting in your post, not exactly, but do you see what I mean?)

It is the attempt by the idealists of the "European project" to mingle different cultures of the different countries (the seed of men) of the EU together to make a United States of Europe creating an European identity - just as we think of ourselves as Americans. But it is going to be a kingdom "divided", because the people can't erase their strong nationalist cultural identity.

And some of those countries are strong, some are weak in the EU, just as the bible says. It is not talking about strong and weak fallen angels.

The European countries are culturally so different that they can't cleave to one another - and the EU kingdom is partly strong, partly weak.

Back in Genesis, the sons of God took the daughters of men and had offspring - so those did cleave together - which, aside, undermines your basic argument.

There is going to be no landing on the white house lawn, so to speak of an alien arrival. The ten kings of the fourth empire end times are all human and out of that kingdom will come the little horn. And it is forming right before our eyes.

But very few Americans even know what is going on in Europe - the Nigel Farage videos are great eye openers, even though he is just a british politician, not even aware most likely of the bible prophecy implications, on the speed of the idealists their relentless push for the United States of Europe - which the little horn will be the leader of.

dfw69 · Apr 12, 2015

Doug...just so you know....the 10 kingdoms will not appear until the false messiah of Israel comes...he will build 10 kingdoms of gentiles who obey the law....and call these 10 kingdoms Israel...

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

dfw69 said:
Doug...just so you know....the 10 kingdoms will not appear until the false messiah of Israel comes...he will build 10 kingdoms of gentiles who obey the law....and call these 10 kingdoms Israel...

dfw, you have the cart in front of the horse. The 10 kings first, then the little horn.

It is not ten Kingdoms, it is one kingdom which has ten ruling kings (leaders) and one main leader the little horn over them..

From Daniel 2,
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

From Daniel 7,
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other [the little horn] which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

From Revelation 17,
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Not their kingdoms plural. The ten toes are the ten kings, as well as the ten horns.

The little horn, in the text of Daniel 7, comes up after the ten horns are in place. So the one kingdom is the EU, in its final form will have a federal government in similitude to the United States federal government. It's definitely the EU.

Here is the genesis of the person who starts as the little horn, then becomes the Antichrist, then ends being the Antichrist, then becomes the beast of Revelation.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

From Revelation 17:10-11. the seven heads are seven kings of the 4th kingdom, Roman Empire, Julio Claudians
King 1 Julius Caesar.
King 2 Augustus Caesar
King 3 Tiberius
King 4 Caligula
King 5 Claudius
King 6 Nero, last of the historic Julio-Claudians
King 7 the little horn, leader of the EU
King 8 the beast, leader of the EU

The person starts off as the little horn, leader of the EU; (King 7 - the little horn, leader of the EU)
Then Gog/Magog threatens;
Then the little horn mobilizes to stave off the hostilities; (Daniel 8:9, 8:23)
Then Gog/Magog takes place;
Then the little horn arrives in Israel, as the prince who shall come;
Then he is perceived in the aftermath of Gog/Magog as the messiah; (becomes the King of Israel, the Antichrist)
Then he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant resetting the 7 year cycle; (the cycle is in Deuteronomy 31:11-13)
Then 3 1/2 years later, thinks he has achieved God-hood;
Then Satan enters him to carry out the act of going into the temple; (the son of perdition, 2thessalonians 2:3-4)
Then God has him killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10; (ending his stint as the King of Israel, and being the Antichrist)
Then he and Satan find themselves in hell, Isaiah 14, next to the pit;
Then God kicks him out of hell, bringing him back to life; (Isaiah 14:19-20, for destroying his land and his people)
Then Satan frees the beast unclean spirit from the pit;
Then the unclean spirit enters the come back to life man of sin;
making the person the beast of Revelation 13 for that last 42 months. (King 8 - the beast, leader of the EU)

In Revelation 17:17, the person as the beast claiming to be God, ends up getting the support of the original ten leaders of the EU which he first emerged out of in Daniel 7, in the start of his time.

Strong in Him · Apr 12, 2015

I'm not quite sure what you're saying in this thread. But Nigel Farage is head of UKIP - the UK Independence Party. He wants the UK out of Europe, and I think is saying that his party would pull us out immediately.
If David Cameron wins the election he has promised us a referendum on this question - though not for a couple of years.

The feeling at the moment is that the election on May 7th will result in a hung parliament and coalition government, as we have now. The frightening thing is that UKIP could do a deal with someone to get into power.

5thKingdom · Apr 12, 2015

Choose Wisely said:
No where in the Bible does it say that the Antichrist is coming out of the EU.

Also, iron mixing with clay is shown to be that they shall mingle with the seed of men. The kingdom being spoken of appears to be the fallen angels and man joining forces. Men of course being clay and angels the iron.

Rather the "Ten Toes" of iron and clay

represent the "Ten Virgins" of wheat and tares.

Since BOTH the "Ten Toes" and the "Ten Virgins" are called "Kings"

and BOTH are shown to be the LAST PEOPLE in the Kingdom before

establishment of the (5th) Eternal Kingdom of God.

In the Bible the LAST PEOPLE in the "Kingdom of Heaven" are presented

as "Ten Horns", as "Ten Kings", as "Ten Toes" (of iron and clay) and as

"Ten Virgins" of wheat and tares... in EVERY CASE, these PEOPLE are shown

to be living on earth when the Lord Returns and the (5th) Eteranal Kingdom begins.

The "Ten Toes" of iron and clay and the "Ten Virgins" of wise and foolish

BOTH represent the "wheat" and the "tares" in the LAST KINGDOM....

BEFORE they are separated at the Lord's Return.

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Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

Strong in Him said:
I'm not quite sure what you're saying in this thread. But Nigel Farage is head of UKIP - the UK Independence Party. He wants the UK out of Europe, and I think is saying that his party would pull us out immediately.
If David Cameron wins the election he has promised us a referendum on this question - though not for a couple of years.

The feeling at the moment is that the election on May 7th will result in a hung parliament and coalition government, as we have now. The frightening thing is that UKIP could do a deal with someone to get into power.

I am glad that someone is here that is in England

Personally, I like Nigel Farage. But that is not really why I posted his video.

What he is against is the United States of Europe push - the European "project" as they call it over there. The point I am making is that the direction that the EU is heading, with the catalyst being to save the EURO, toward a federal form of government.

That government is going to be the ten kings, and little horn over them, and will be the end times kingdom of the fourth empire.

Europe, imo, for federal government purposes to provide balance among the 28 nations, is going to have ten districts, with some of the districts of 2 or 3 nations, while others just 1. For a total of ten districts, the 28 nations contained therein.

Whether it turns out that way or not is just a guess. But the EU as a whole governed by ten kings (leaders) is definitely coming. Which the little horn will emerge to be over those ten leaders of the EU, to be the equivalent of our President (of the United States)

dfw69 · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
dfw, you have the cart in front of the horse. The 10 kings first, then the little horn.

It is not ten Kingdoms, it is one kingdom which has ten ruling kings (leaders) and one main leader the little horn over them..

From Daniel 2,
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

From Daniel 7,
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other [the little horn] which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

From Revelation 17,
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Not their kingdoms plural. The ten toes are the ten kings, as well as the ten horns.

The little horn, in the text of Daniel 7, comes up after the ten horns are in place. So the one kingdom is the EU, in its final form will have a federal government in similitude to the United States federal government. It's definitely the EU.

Here is the genesis of the person who starts as the little horn, then becomes the Antichrist, then ends being the Antichrist, then becomes the beast of Revelation.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

From Revelation 17:10-11. the seven heads are seven kings of the 4th kingdom, Roman Empire, Julio Claudians
King 1 Julius Caesar.
King 2 Augustus Caesar
King 3 Tiberius
King 4 Caligula
King 5 Claudius
King 6 Nero, last of the historic Julio-Claudians
King 7 the little horn, leader of the EU
King 8 the beast, leader of the EU

The person starts off as the little horn, leader of the EU; (King 7 - the little horn, leader of the EU)
Then Gog/Magog threatens;
Then the little horn mobilizes to stave off the hostilities; (Daniel 8:9, 8:23)
Then Gog/Magog takes place;
Then the little horn arrives in Israel, as the prince who shall come;
Then he is perceived in the aftermath of Gog/Magog as the messiah; (becomes the King of Israel, the Antichrist)
Then he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant resetting the 7 year cycle; (the cycle is in Deuteronomy 31:11-13)
Then 3 1/2 years later, thinks he has achieved God-hood;
Then Satan enters him to carry out the act of going into the temple; (the son of perdition, 2thessalonians 2:3-4)
Then God has him killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10; (ending his stint as the King of Israel, and being the Antichrist)
Then he and Satan find themselves in hell, Isaiah 14, next to the pit;
Then God kicks him out of hell, bringing him back to life; (Isaiah 14:19-20, for destroying his land and his people)
Then Satan frees the beast unclean spirit from the pit;
Then the unclean spirit enters the come back to life man of sin;
making the person the beast of Revelation 13 for that last 42 months. (King 8 - the beast, leader of the EU)

In Revelation 17:17, the person as the beast claiming to be God, ends up getting the support of the original ten leaders of the EU which he first emerged out of in Daniel 7, in the start of his time.

Your not understanding me yet my friend...so let's try this scenario...

Let's just say your theories played out ...everything came to pass as you have said.. ok?.....this would only be a dress rehearsal...see....because the enemies of the gospel will have created this scenario to usher in the false messiah...understand?

If your scenario came to pass ..in the end only a false messiah and false messianic age would appear...Not the true messiah....how will you know he if false?....because he will institute the temple and laws of the temple...

The final antichrist is yet to come after this false messianic age and Jesus returns then... Hope this helps..

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

5thKingdom said:
Rather the "Ten Toes" of iron and clay

represent the "Ten Virgins" of wheat and tares.

The bible says KINGS in the text.

Not wheat nor tares nor virgins.

Daniel 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Danoh · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
The bible says KINGS in the text.

Not wheat nor tares nor virgins.

[/COLOR]Daniel 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Yep, and those are the "kingdom against kingdom" of Matthew 24:7.

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

dfw69 said:
Your not understanding me yet my friend...so let's try this scenario...

Let's just say your theories played out ...everything came to pass as you have said.. ok?.....this would only be a dress rehearsal...see....because the enemies of the gospel will have created this scenario to usher in the false messiah...understand?

If your scenario came to pass ..in the end only a false messiah and false messianic age would appear...Not the true messiah....how will you know he if false?....because he will institute the temple and laws of the temple...

The final antichrist is yet to come after this false messianic age and Jesus returns then... Hope this helps..

The person is the Antichrist (the perceived promised King of Israel) for only 3 1/2 years. God has the person killed to end his time as the false messiah (the Antichrist) at the end of those 3 1/2 years, near the midpoint of the 7 years. For the remaining 3 1/2 years (nominally), no longer the Antichrist, he is the beast of Revelation.

I did not give any details in my scenario of that last 42 months, which of course ends with Jesus' return. The person is the beast for that last 42 months, not the Antichrist. The best parallel to clarify this point, I can think of right now is that John F Kennedy was senator for 6 years, but afterward became the President - which he was no longer the senator.

What you are not getting is that the term Antichrist pertains only as the person is in the position of the King of Israel. Once he reveals himself to be the man of sin, and claims to be God, the Jews are going to drop him as their king like a hot potato. And as result, the person is going to persecute the Jews until Jesus comes to their rescue.

dfw69 · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
The person is the Antichrist (the perceived promised King of Israel) for only 3 1/2 years. God has the person killed to end his time as the false messiah (the Antichrist) at the end of those 3 1/2 years, near the midpoint of the 7 years. For the remaining 3 1/2 years (nominally), no long the Antichrist, he is the beast of Revelation.

I did not give any details in my scenario of that last 42 months, which of course ends with Jesus' return. The person is the beast for that last 42 months, not the Antichrist. The best parallel to clarify this point, I can think of right now is that John F Kennedy was senator for 6 years, but afterward became the President - which he was no longer the senator.

What you are not getting is that the term Antichrist pertains only as the person is in the position of the King of Israel. Once he reveals himself to be the man of sin, and claims to be God, the Jews are going to drop him as their king like a hot potato. And as result, the person is going to persecute the Jews until Jesus comes to their rescue.

The person who you say is Jesus will in fact be the false messiah that the Jews will accept...he will not be Jesus....but the start of a period known as the false messianic age and 10,kingdoms will form under him

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

dfw69 said:
The person who you say is Jesus will in fact be the false messiah that the Jews will accept...he will not be Jesus....but the start of a period known as the false messianic age and 10,kingdoms will form under him

The person won't be claiming to be Jesus at all. He will have nothing but bad things to say against Jesus. At best, he will call Jesus a failed messiah (he never became the King of Israel)

Again, the ten kings of that fourth kingdom come first - then the little horn.

That's what it says in the text of Daniel 7.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. [the ten horns first]

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, [the little horn after the ten horns] before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So the little horn can not be creating ten kingdoms under him. The ten kings are first..... then the little horn. And it is one kingdom, not ten kingdoms.

dfw69 · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
The person won't be claiming to be Jesus at all. He will have nothing but bad things to say against Jesus. At best, he will call Jesus a failed messiah (he never became the King of Israel)

Again, the ten kings of that fourth kingdom come first - then the little horn.

That's what it says in the text of Daniel 7.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. [the ten horns first]

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, [the little horn after the ten horns] before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So the little horn can not be creating ten kingdoms under him. The ten kings are first..... then the little horn. And it is one kingdom, not ten kingdoms.

Your still not understanding me brother man...

Your scenario has played out already...remember?...then after your scenario you believe Jesus will come.. right?

No....it will not be Jesus at all... But the false messiah and beginning of a false messianic
age. ..the deception of all deceptions...understand?

5thKingdom · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
The bible says KINGS in the text.

Not wheat nor tares nor virgins.

[/COLOR]Daniel 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Douggg.... you poor deluded soul.

The Bible describes the EVENTS of the Great Tribulation Kingdom in MANY different passages.

In EVERY CASE the "events" described in prophecy represent the EXPERIENCES of real PEOPLE.

Are you with me so far?... prophecies = events = experiences of real people.

Now... stay with me.... sometimes the Bible calls these PEOPLE "horns"....

And sometimes the Bible calls these SAME people "kings"....

And sometimes the Bible calls these PEOPLE "toes" and "virgins".

BUT THE POINT REMAINS (please stay with me here)

In EVERY CASE these people (horns/kings/toes/virgins) are the LAST PEOPLE

in the Kingdom of Heaven.... as is represented by Daniel's Beasts and the Revelations Beast.

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I have noticed, in your writings, that you often do not understand the EVENT in view....

you often CONFLATE the same EVENT because God chose to present that EVENT

from several DIFFERENT perspectives. This is a rookie error on your part.

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In the Bible, the PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation are presented as:

(1) a Single Kingdom and (2) Dual Kingdoms and (3) Four "Watches of the Night" and

(4) a Completed Kingdom of 7 heads and (5) the Destroyed Kingdom of Babylon....

YOU SIR.... can only harmonize three-or-four of MORE THAN 24 DIFFERENT PASSAGES

which are demonstrating different perspectives about the SAME EVENT....

Again... your eschatology is based on 3 or 4 passages while you IGNORE or CONFLATE

at least 24 OTHER PASSAGES which represent the SAME EVENT and, therefore,

your understanding is just a PARTIAL UNDERSTANDING and does not represent

the whole Truth.

.

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Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

5thKingdom said:
Douggg.... you poor deluded soul.

The Bible describes the EVENTS of the Great Tribulation Kingdom in MANY different passages.

In EVERY CASE the "events" described in prophecy represent the EXPERIENCES of real PEOPLE.

Are you with me so far?... prophecies = events = experiences of real people.

Please do not try to turn this thread into your own subject matter.

This thread is about the EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly weak. If you have something to contribute on that subject, then all posts are welcome.

I do not however want to divert this thread to some of your "off-the-wall" concepts not related to the subject matter at hand.

Start your own thread, or expand on the threads you have already started.

If a person wants to believe that the Mahdi is the Antichrist, then fine - start their own thread. Or if someone wants to advocate a Post-trib rapture view, then fine, start their own thread. I don't care about your ten virgins, wheat, and tares, 5th Eternal Kingdom , etc. If you want to start your own thread about those fine. But don't try to take over this thread or I am going to report to the moderators, your very next attempt.

5thKingdom · Apr 12, 2015

Douggg said:
Please do not try to turn this thread into your own subject matter.

This thread is about the EU, the kingdom partly strong, partly weak. If you have something to contribute on that subject, then all posts are welcome.

But that is EXACTLY what I have been doing.

The Bible doe not EVER show anything about the European Union.

That's just you pretending and trying to convince others to pretend with you.

You have NOT harmonized the "Ten Horns" (which you CLAIM represent the EU)

With the "Ten Toes" (also shown as the LAST PEOPLE in the Kingdom before His Return....

Nor have you harmonized them with the "Ten Virgins" (also shown as the LAST PEOPLE)...

In other words... you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE related passages,

And then you PRETEND to understand what you are talking about.

WHEN you can harmonize ALL SCRIPTURES that talk about the LAST PEOPLE in the Kingdom....

THEN (and only then) can you be taken seriously.

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dfw69 · Apr 12, 2015

is not the seed of men referring to the false doctrine of men?...Seed spirituality can refer to doctrine.

during those days the spirit of God is poured out..against the false messianic age...thus the iron mix with clay...on one hand is the iron lie that the messianic kingdom has come....on the other hand....the spirit of God upon those who reject the false teachings of that age

Douggg · Apr 12, 2015

5thKingdom said:
WHEN you can harmonize ALL SCRIPTURES that talk about the LAST PEOPLE in the Kingdom....

THEN (and only then) can you be taken seriously.
.

That is exactly what I am talking about you trying to take over the thread.

There is nothing in the bible that says "last people" in "any" kingdom. Please just drop out of the thread. You have nothing to contribute.

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