This verse is taken out of context as Paul wasn't even speaking about death. He was talking about living in the body or flesh or sinful nature compared to living in Christ's perfect, sinless, righteous body.there is no such thing as souls sleep and if we do not go to be with the Lord after we die then why did Paul state what he stated...
2 Corinthians 5:8...
8 [Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.
Again, out of context. Paul, here, is talking about, again, living in the flesh/sinful nature and how his heart leads him to be sinful, but he knows that living in Christ is more productive, if not for himself, then for the ones he preaching to.Philippians 1:16-26 (New King James Version)
16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice. 19 For I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayer and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 20 according to my earnest expectation and hope that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ will be magnified in my body, whether by life or by death. 21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And being confident of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy of faith, 26 that your rejoicing for me may be more abundant in Jesus Christ by my coming to you again.
This verse is taken out of context as Paul wasn't even speaking about death. He was talking about living in the body or flesh or sinful nature compared to living in Christ's perfect, sinless, righteous body.
Again, out of context. Paul, here, is talking about, again, living in the flesh/sinful nature and how his heart leads him to be sinful, but he knows that living in Christ is more productive, if not for himself, then for the ones he preaching to.
Absolutely perfect Konyat, not that i'm the teacher, just refreshing to hear words of truth this morning ... just a little help to revrobor ... Lk.16:19, etc is not a Biblical vision, but a Parable and needs to be undressed ... no correction intended, just working with u ... in fact this is a great parable as it is tied into the Parable before it, "Parable of the Unjust Steward" ... the two parables are a pair and must be undressed as such ...
My point, the rich man went to hell and is still there now and if he could, he would like to warn his brothers ... he was even in "torments" without any pain meds. for eternity in the English sense from when he was in the womb forward as no annihilation ... not a happy camper to say the least .... NO STORY HERE.
No one is in Hell as no judgments have taken place. If it makes you feel better to think someone in in Hell that's fine but it's just not true.
The Lord said that The Rich Man was in hell.
How could you say there is no one in hell when the Lord Himself said that the The Rich Man was there?
Can you please explain this or shall I think that you are trying to twist the word.
It was a story (parable) told to make a point. It was not an actual occurrence.
I beg to differ Jesus gave a name which pointed to a fact... where as there was no name in the parable of the sower and the seed...
A parable can name a fictitious character and still be a parable.
-CryptoLutheran
Luke 16: 19-24...
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Jesus stated the mans name stating a fact notice Jesus did not do this elsewhere
It was a story (parable) told to make a point. It was not an actual occurrence.
Wouldn't burning someone "forever and ever" seem cruel and unusual? Would you want to serve a God that forever burns some one for eternity? Also, if the beast and false prophet in Rev. 20:10 are human, wouldn't they have to wait until the ressurection to even begin punishment? Third, immortality of the soul, which is used to interpet most of Rev. as people burning forever, is a Greek, polytheistic view that has spread to Christianity and is never actually stated in the bible.You might want to see Rev. 20:10. The truth needs to be spread but you are not spreading it. You have picked up some false teaching from the SDA church.
Ok, so using the theif on the cross reference, "And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.' Using this translation, it contradicts the entire Bible. 1) Christ never went to Paradise to await judgement, why would he need judgement? 2) The thief didn't even die that day, he died the next day which is why the soldiers broke his legs, but didn't need to break Christ's, as he was already dead.When a Believer dies today they go to Paradise (which is NOT Heaven) to await the judgments (remember the thief on the cross?).
Hades is not a metaphysical waiting room. All go to Hades when they die. Hades is the Greek equivalent of Sheol as seen if you translate them both in which they translate into "grave" or the state of being dead. This is backed up by Rev. 20:14 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." This speaks of Hades, or grave (or human subjection to death as we are all mortal) being completely destroyed and death and sin never again staining humanity.Non-believers go to Hades (not Hell) when they die to await the judgments.
Luke 16: 19-24...
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Jesus stated the mans name stating a fact notice Jesus did not do this elsewhere
Right, it was told to make a point and the point is, the rich man goes to hell right after he died. Remember he still have living brothers when he died and goes to hell. So, the point that the story/parable is saying is that somebody goes to hell right after they died.
Wouldn't burning someone "forever and ever" seem cruel and unusual? Would you want to serve a God that forever burns some one for eternity? Also, if the beast and false prophet in Rev. 20:10 are human, wouldn't they have to wait until the ressurection to even begin punishment? Third, immortality of the soul, which is used to interpet most of Rev. as people burning forever, is a Greek, polytheistic view that has spread to Christianity and is never actually stated in the bible.
Ok, so using the theif on the cross reference, "And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.' Using this translation, it contradicts the entire Bible. 1) Christ never went to Paradise to await judgement, why would he need judgement? 2) The thief didn't even die that day, he died the next day which is why the soldiers broke his legs, but didn't need to break Christ's, as he was already dead.
Hades is not a metaphysical waiting room. All go to Hades when they die. Hades is the Greek equivalent of Sheol as seen if you translate them both in which they translate into "grave" or the state of being dead. This is backed up by Rev. 20:14 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." This speaks of Hades, or grave (or human subjection to death as we are all mortal) being completely destroyed and death and sin never again staining humanity.
You, or whoever taught you, is in error. You are in for a big surprise.
Which does not literally prove we will be in the arms of a sheep herder if we go to heaven.I beg to differ Jesus gave a name which pointed to a fact... where as there was no name in the parable of the sower and the seed...
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