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The England we lost

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Introduction: Death Prepared
Some countries have faced revolution only once or twice in their histories. However, these revolutions have been extremely violent and the countries have never been the same since. France and Russia are examples. Although the revolutions that England has faced in its history have not necessarily been extremely violent, England has had to face them almost permanently ever since the Norman Occupation of 1066.
For example, after the Norman deformation and genocide in the 11th century came the Norman civil war of the 12th century. Then came the 100 Years War, which lasted on and off for over 100 years until the 14th century. This war, or rather series of wars, was in fact a civil war carried out against France and conducted by England’s Norman and French invader kings. Then, in the 15th century, came more civil wars – this time, the Wars of the Roses. In the 16th century came the genocidal and Machiavellian Henry VIII and his ‘Deformation’, with the plundering of compromised Roman Catholicism and its reduction to anti-sacral and anti-sacrament Protestantism.
This was followed in the 17th century by the violent Republican civil wars, resulting in the usurping of power by the inglorious revolution of 1688 and the imposition of a Dutch puppet-prince by a Parliament of oligarchs. All was ready for the eighteenth century secularism of the ‘Enlightenment’, with its German kings, collectivist land-grab by the rich in the ‘Enclosures’ and so the ‘Industrial Revolution’. In the nineteenth century came imperialism and in the twentieth the Great European Tribal Wars which Europe turned into World Wars. These led to the national bankruptcies of 1917 and 1940, which forced Great Britain to surrender its sovereignty to foreign powers, first to the US and afterwards to the EU.
As a result of financial bankruptcy, in the second half of the 20th century there came a new bout of secularism, a cultural revolution of spiritual, moral, economic and cultural falls. Beginning in the 1960s, it intensified and led to the monetary (but most definitely not spiritual, moral and cultural) conservatism of Thatcher, followed naturally by the disastrous presidential republicanism and warmongering dictatorships of Blair.

A Spiritual Fall
1950s Great Britain was a country which had emerged from two World Wars, been bankrupted by them and lost its colonies and international prestige in ‘winds of change’. As a result, on the face of it, there should not be a great deal of nostalgia for the post-War 1950s, with its millions of War-crippled, homeless, ill-educated and deprived, deadly polluting smogs in London and other industrial areas, the children in the north-east going to school barefoot, and the insular ignorance, tastelessness and cheap shabbiness of so much. As someone once said, the odour that summed up post-War Britain was boiled cabbage and the taste was stewed tea. And yet there is nostalgia for this decade.
This can only be because not all of it was so bad and because what followed it was in many ways even worse. Behind what followed the 1950s was the anti-human decadence which had accumulated over the centuries. This had erupted in the technology which had killed millions in two European Wars, become worldwide, and threatened a nuclear and so final Third World War. The lack of repentance for two World Wars was both the result of and the cause of a massive loss of faith.
In this vicious circle, this loss of faith was justified by many senior Church of England (and from the Continent post-Vatican II Roman Catholic) clergy. They wished to adapt to the world and, under the cloak of ‘honesty to God’, justify their own loss of faith. In October 1960, the writer of ‘Honest to God’, Bishop John Robinson of Woolwich, blaspheming against holy communion, made himself notorious by speaking in favour of the publication of ‘Lady Chatterley’s Lover’. If he had really wanted to be ‘honest to God’, he should simply have admitted that he had lost his faith, resigned and stopped taking his generous bishop’s salary under false pretences and admitted that sin and hell still existed – they existed in his own words of apostasy.
A spiritual fall, signifying the loss even of that which had kept Britain alive since 1066, the loss of faith and so the loss of a way, was the explanation for all that followed. As nature abhors a vacuum, so the loss of faith in God was expressed in the 1960s by the slogan ‘God is dead’. This was the arrogance that ’we are right’, and so now we shall play God and create a new age and a new civilisation. But as this new civilisation was Godless, so began the civilisation of Death.

A Moral Fall
After a spiritual fall came a moral fall. With the loss of their spiritual foundations, the old moral standards soon became hypocritical, mere conventions. In 1963, the same year as the publication of ‘Honest to God’, came the Profumo scandal, when a supposedly conservative society destroyed itself. It was the end of Victorian prudery – and also Victorian hypocrisy. The lies of John Profumo, a British politician of aristocratic Italian origin, revealed that much of the ruling class was rotten. (Although in fairness to him, John Profumo did spend the rest of his life in repentance). Without any other example, the rest of society could now live down to the ruling class ‘standards’ of amoral immorality. From this point on began the collapse of family life, which had to be destroyed for the sake of the economic enslavement of mothers and so maximum profit in the name of the mammon cult.
The sending of mothers to factory and office work, their obligatory masculinisation, was demanded by the dictates of modern, GDP-driven capitalism. It was disguised and foisted onto the naive population as ‘women’s liberation’ and emancipation. In reality, like so much in the 60s, it was a delusion, a mirage. In reality, mothers were to be enslaved, saddled with a modest, single salary for a double job – wage slavery – work outside the home and work inside the home. The result was widespread divorce and the gradual break-up of family life. Mothers would be married to the State through benefits, rather than to provident and loving husbands. Thus appeared the new feudalism of the all-powerful State, a slavery financed by taxation, the new worship of old Baal.
Male long hair, which became a symbol of the 60s, has throughout history signified sexual licence. Therefore it signified the anti-Victorian, anti-puritan backlash. This, together with female short skirts, reflected the result of the great 60s money-spinner, the contraceptive pill. This led to sexual depravity and the spread of pornography, another 60s money-spinner, on which the fortunes of various public figures, including one ‘Conservative’ Minister, were made. With commercialisation sex had become a mere commodity.
Women were from now on supposed to starve themselves, as dieting became the norm as part of the new body cult with its cancer-catching sun-bathing. This, together with the tyranny of fashion houses and magazines, sometimes run by woman-hating homosexual men, helped lead to female anorexia. Despite, or rather because of, easy contraception, this depravity in turn led to abortion, which throughout the 60s came increasingly to be seen as a ‘right’. (In the 60s everything became a right - instead of a duty). In reality, the abortion holocaust was as much a ‘right’ as the racial holocaust of the Nazis. The unborn human being was seen as the new ‘Untermensch’, the subhuman to be sucked out of the mother’s womb and burned up in the gas chambers of hospital incinerators.

An Economic Fall
The 60s were an age of consumerism – ‘bread’ for the masses. For some the human-being was reduced to a mere consumer, a source of profit. Manipulated by US-invented advertising, marketing and credit, an organised mass con trick began. People were told that money had made them free and so they were now able to become enslaved to the illusions and mirages of the 60s. As the aristocratic Prime Minister Macmillan had said; ‘You’ve never had it so good’ (You, not we, because he and the rest of the ruling class, unlike the people, had always ‘had it good’).
With the loss of any spiritual and moral defences, drugged by illusory optimism in ‘technology’, some were so foolish, naïve and superficial that they laid aside the serious questions in life and instead consumed. Some consumed in hedonism until, a few decades later, they were sick, obese and enslaved to debt. After the feast comes the reckoning.
In previous ages, either childhood innocence had ended late or else adulthood responsibility had begun early. Now, with the spiritual and moral attack on innocence and responsibility, advertising and marketing manipulators began to build up the cult of youth and invented the teenager consumer – neither innocent nor responsible.
Many spoilt middle-class youths flocked, like the conformists they had been manipulated into being, to spend their money on fashionable clothes, alcohol, other drugs and ‘pop’ music. This sounded like the death rattle of a culture. They became drug-ridden hippies – small-scale consumers. The most successful of these later became money-ridden yuppies – large-scale consumers.

A Cultural Fall
The spiritual and moral falls meant that the 60s were an age of cultural revolution, cultural vandalism and cultural suicide. National identity was under attack. This was an age of destruction, of the negative, of satire, sarcasm, mockery, the jeering lampoon and the ‘snide’ cynicism, which always appears when faith is absent. Anything traditional, or even worse, ‘Victorian’, had to be destroyed by the new cultural nihilists. Thus the currency had to be decimalised, the imperial system of measurement made metric, replacing apostolic twelves with republican tens. The country and its tenants were thus made ready to surrender to their oft-defeated European landlords.
In the absence of taste, let alone good taste, ‘Modern Art’ largely took over in the name of ‘progress’ and ‘modernisation’. This was the age of ‘pop’ art, plastic, tackiness, the cheap and nasty, the jerry-built and the inhuman. Nowhere was this more visible in the field of architecture with its destruction of many old town centres. Old slums were cleared, new ones were built – the very ones which are now regularly dynamited, as they deserve to be. At sky level tower-blocks visibly proclaimed the age of destruction, decay, decline, decadence and death. The 60s left virtually no architecture of any lasting value because the 60s had virtually no lasting values.
At ground level the same fate would befall the railway network. More efficient than the Luftwaffe, in 1963 a millionaire engineer recommended the destruction of much of the railway network, carried out by governments in league with road transport lobbies in the briefest of periods. This guaranteed chronic air pollution, noise pollution, cemented countryside, road building and traffic jams for decades to come. Similarly, much of the education system also had to be vandalised. Since only one part of the educational system, the grammar schools, had ever worked, because technical and secondary education were vastly underfunded, it was these grammar schools which had to be destroyed. Thus, the one good thing in education, its centres of excellence, was ruined, not for any good reason, but for the ideology of social engineering of the 60s socialist revolution of mediocrity and sub-education for all.
In a pique of envy, camouflaged by the myth of egalitarianism, people had to be brought down to the same lumpenproletarian level. Equality was guaranteed: people, comprehensively but incomprehensibly, would have to be reduced to the lowest educational level possible, so making them equal - except for the ruling elite, which would continue to study in private schools, like the present Mr Blair, Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg. And if government anti-education policies did not work - and Mr Blair continued them with the Leninist mantra, ‘education, education, education’ - TV would do the rest, with as many channels as possible to hypnotise the circus-seeking masses with soap operas providing ‘fun’ and ‘entertainment’.

Conclusion: Resurrection Prepared
To save England, it is not enough to return to the period before the 1960s. The solution is much more radical than that. Cultures only die after centuries, generation after generation, of decadence, decline and decay. The death of culture is carried out by secularising human ideologies and passing fashions, whether they are called Catholicism or Protestantism, conservatism or liberalism. On the other hand, culture lives through what is far greater than any human ideology, through Tradition, which is handed down generation after generation from distant ancestors, from our roots, from the beginning of our now dead, buried and virtually unmourned Christian civilisation.
Tradition and authentic culture are far greater than a mere generation or even a mere few generations of human ideologies and passing fashions. In the 1960s, the Tradition of England, the very roots of England, stretching back way beyond the second millennium to the first millennium, was ignored and trampled on by the majority. As for the ideologies of the second millennium, they were mostly debunked, ‘demythologised’ and ‘destructured’. This was the beginning of the death of a culture.
These thoughts may make pessimistic, grim reading. However, there is nothing here that is necessarily a cause for long-term pessimism. Although it is said that you cannot turn the clock back, we know that this is not true. You can turn a clock back, just as you can turn it forward. Suppose we turned the clock forward, forward to a time when we will take the best of what is in the past and re-use it to live in the future? Suppose, in this third millennium, following this present crisis, we were to return to at least a few crumbs of the Tradition of England, stretching back beyond the passing fashions and ideologies of the second millennium, to the roots of our civilisation in the first millennium, to figures like Bede the Venerable and King Alfred?
Surely, on this eve of the fiftieth anniversary of the onset of the 1960s, it is possible to contemplate a return to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, to Goodness, Wisdom and Beauty, to Royalty, Faith and Tradition, to Patriotism, Morality and Spirituality, to Sovereignty, Family and Culture, These thoughts alone should renew our hope. After all, despair need not be inevitable, but hope can be inevitable. It is all a matter of faith.
From Orthodox England:
The England We Lost: The Sixties Began Fifty Years Ago
 

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From Orthodox England:
The England We Lost: The Sixties Began Fifty Years Ago

Surely, on this eve of the fiftieth anniversary of the onset of the 1960s, it is possible to contemplate a return to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, to Goodness, Wisdom and Beauty, to Royalty, Faith and Tradition, to Patriotism, Morality and Spirituality, to Sovereignty, Family and Culture, These thoughts alone should renew our hope. After all, despair need not be inevitable, but hope can be inevitable. It is all a matter of faith.

I disagree that any of that was lost (although whether some of it safely could be is open to debate). Whoever wrote this stuff doesn't know the England I know and love, or its people for that matter.

It is far too easy to write apocalyptic. Making it credible is a different matter.

:)
 
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This seems quite a slanted take on events.

We've entered an age in this country where sectarian violence is at an all time low (historically), people live a lot longer, prosperity is up, more primitive morality is being abandoned. I won't argue that it's perfect, and we've a lot to learn, but this appears more of an ascension than a fall. It's like we're growing up, with all the troubles and angst that entails.
 
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This seems quite a slanted take on events.

We've entered an age in this country where sectarian violence is at an all time low (historically), people live a lot longer, prosperity is up, more primitive morality is being abandoned. I won't argue that it's perfect, and we've a lot to learn, but this appears more of an ascension than a fall. It's like we're growing up, with all the troubles and angst that entails.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26
 
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For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26

Thanks for the concern, but you are tilting at windmills.

As I said, it is easy to proclaim that the sky is falling in, but far harder to convince those who have eyes to see for themselves that it is actually happening. I live in England, I know English people; either English by birth, by ancestry, or by adoption, and I can tell you for a fact; there are no finer people on earth, and there are no people with a greater sense of justice, of fairness, of equity, and even of spirituality on earth. The English spirit is alive and well, it is deeply spiritual, and it lives in the ordinary people. Not the politicians, not the rich and famous; the ordinary people.

We can't be bought, and we have not sold our soul to anyone.

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This seems quite a slanted take on events.

We've entered an age in this country where sectarian violence is at an all time low (historically), people live a lot longer, prosperity is up, more primitive morality is being abandoned. I won't argue that it's perfect, and we've a lot to learn, but this appears more of an ascension than a fall. It's like we're growing up, with all the troubles and angst that entails.

Well said, U. :wave:
 
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Thanks for the concern, but you are tilting at windmills.

As I said, it is easy to proclaim that the sky is falling in, but far harder to convince those who have eyes to see for themselves that it is actually happening. I live in England, I know English people; either English by birth, by ancestry, or by adoption, and I can tell you for a fact; there are no finer people on earth, and there are no people with a greater sense of justice, of fairness, of equity, and even of spirituality on earth. The English spirit is alive and well, it is deeply spiritual, and it lives in the ordinary people. Not the politicians, not the rich and famous; the ordinary people.

We can't be bought, and we have not sold our soul to anyone.

:wave:

I just don’t understand why you feel being attacked. I had no intention whatsoever to attack the English people. The excerpt from St Mathews gospel was not directed towards all British. It was directed to uberd00b’s response. I am afraid however that you have completely missed the point of the article above. It so striking that any disagreement, any different outlook to the modern deeply un-Christian (often anti-Christian) spirit in Europe is immediately perceived as a threat to society. No wonder secularism has led to a revival of every kind of extremism all over the world.
 
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Ok. So I guess for you attacking secular Britain is like attacking “England as a whole”. I am afraid if you honestly believe that there is nothing wrong with modern England and that England is a Christian country, there is no point in trying to prove me how disillusioned I am as that must be obvious to everyone straight from the beginning. It would be as if I argued that the sun won’t rise tomorrow. But I am not sure for the “credibility” of your arguments when Christians in England in their everyday lives are being treated with mockery and often with open persecution, when the media, education, the foundation of the whole state and society has nothing to do with Christianity (or any other form of “spirituality”) in contrary with what you’ve noted before. When role models of society are anything but Christians, when England supported wars against Christians in Europe and sided with mass murderers like Hasim Taci…. But really I don’t want to spoil your dream you can continue thinking as you do now. Nevertheless for the time being the statistics talk for themselves, practicing muslims in some years will outnumber Christians (or at least Protestants) in the UK.
 
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I am not English, but I am British, and I have lived and worked abroad.

There is no other country that I would want to call home. Although I am open to 2-3 years in another country to broaden my horizons (and count my blessings), there is no other place where I would want to live long-term.
 
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Ok. So I guess for you attacking secular Britain is like attacking “England as a whole”. I am afraid if you honestly believe that there is nothing wrong with modern England and that England is a Christian country, there is no point in trying to prove me how disillusioned I am as that must be obvious to everyone straight from the beginning.


Britain and England are not synonymous.

I didn't say there is nothing wrong with England. What I said is what I said; that your description is not at all accurate, and that you are, therefore, tilting at windmills.

England is, indeed, a Christian country. :)

It would be as if I argued that the sun won’t rise tomorrow. But I am not sure for the “credibility” of your arguments when Christians in England in their everyday lives are being treated with mockery and often with open persecution, when the media, education, the foundation of the whole state and society has nothing to do with Christianity (or any other form of “spirituality”) in contrary with what you’ve noted before.


Christians in England are not being persecuted. I live here, and I have never encountered anything of the kind.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it is not consonant with my experience.

When role models of society are anything but Christians, when England supported wars against Christians in Europe and sided with mass murderers like Hasim Taci…. But really I don’t want to spoil your dream you can continue thinking as you do now. Nevertheless for the time being the statistics talk for themselves, practicing muslims in some years will outnumber Christians (or at least Protestants) in the UK.

More nonsense. There is no correlation between the number of people attending church on any given Sunday, which is all that statistics can measure, and the number of Christians in England, which statistics do not measure. Anyone who actually lived here would know that. English people do not wear their hearts on their sleeves, but we are, nonetheless, a very deeply spiritual, and, indeed, deeply Christian, people.
 
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[uberd00b]This seems quite a slanted take on events.

We've entered an age in this country where sectarian violence is at an all time low (historically), people live a lot longer, prosperity is up, more primitive morality is being abandoned. I won't argue that it's perfect, and we've a lot to learn, but this appears more of an ascension than a fall. It's like we're growing up, with all the troubles and angst that entails.

please specifically expand upon what so-called primitive morals are being abandoned.

I always raise a wry smile when secularists, humanists (insert label) tell us that our outdated views on marriage, same sex relations and a whole host of other issues are somehow becoming more irrelevant and unacceptable within this enlightened age.

Growing up? I would disagree. What I see happening is a society that is becoming more assured and steadfast in their beliefs, irrespective of what those beliefs are. So those who take offence to Muslim women covering their faces are free to express either their contempt or bemusement. At the same time Christians are free to lambast what they perceive as an ever increasing spiral into the depths of secularism.

As Christians, our struggles in the western world are very different to our brothers and sisters in countries like Pakistan, Iraq etc. Secularism is an integral part of our society, whether or not that is a good thing is purely subjective, but more "grown up?" that remains to be seen.
 
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Britain before the second world war was imperialistic, racist, and stratified in terms of class. Now it is, although not perfect, a country where people are generally free to express their beliefs, and do the whole "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" thing.

If some people want to look back at the days when "No dogs, no blacks, no Irish" was an acceptable viewpoint to hold, and it was considered the white man's burden to relieve the negro of his land and freedom, that's their choice. I choose to look towards a more tolerant and enlightened future.
 
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The English spirit is alive and well, it is deeply spiritual, and it lives in the ordinary people. Not the politicians, not the rich and famous; the ordinary people.

Why aren't the politicians, the rich or the famous allowed the English Spirit? Is it trademarked or something?
 
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Christianity is far from dead in England. :)

Christianity isn't dead in any part of the world- even in Saudi Arabia or North Korea, where Christians truly are persecuted. In fact, there's no condition where Christianity thrives more than when it is being persecuted.
 
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Christianity is far from dead in England. :)

Agreed, just because UK christians are by and large far more willing to coexist with and tolerate other opinions than their brethren elsewhere doesn't mean the religion is dying.
 
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Nevertheless for the time being the statistics talk for themselves, practicing muslims in some years will outnumber Christians (or at least Protestants) in the UK.

The Muslim population of Britain is something like 3% of the whole
. Yep, the statsistics speak for themselves allright......;)
 
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In fact there are ex-Muslims being baptised in the UK, but not publically of course as its too dangerous to advertise; so figures are often misleading.
There are major moves to Christ in some countries which are Islamic strongholds, we hear of the people's 'revolts' currently in Islamic countries and to a certain extent this is secular liberalism.
The thing about strongholds is that they eventually come tumbling down.
 
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