Who do Catholics consider the elect? This question came up the other day, and while I thought I understood it, I wasn't able to present it very clearly. Any ideas?
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The Elect
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Great, I don't even get one serious answer in before you two yahoos derail the thread! 
I suppose I deserve it after all the threads Sandy's made me derail.
I suppose I deserve it after all the threads Sandy's made me derail.
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Benedicta00
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All those who are saved in the end are the 'elect' in Christ; anyone who is saved is so by the gift of God. Those who reject this are the reprobates. They are not saved due to their sin and non-repentance.clskinner said:
The difference in our view and Calvins view is that we believe have a choice and that God gives all men a way of salvation but we can reject this if we so desire, they believe God chooses who will accept Him and who will remain as they are- damned and not of God.
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Susan Surandon (sp?) you know the actress- says that the election was rigged. Since when just because you act for a living you can speak as if you have some kind of authority on political matters?DreamTheater said:I think the majority of Catholics will agree that Bush was elected fair and square. There's only a small minority who thinks that Kerry actually won.
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clskinner said:Great, I don't even get one serious answer in before you two yahoos derail the thread!
Me?!! I never derail threads! What a thing to suggest!
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Amen, brother, amen. Surely her derailment guilt is great if she is resorting to projecting that guilt onto me. Lord have mercy.
/me shakes her head sadly...
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LOL!
Well if you're gonna do something, you gotta do it RIGHT!
At least that's what my mama always told me.
At least that's what my mama always told me.
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Wiffey
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I'm Orthodox, but I would like to reply, if I may. A very wise man once said: "We know where the Church is, but we do not know where it ISN'T. The Holy Spirit goes where He wills..."clskinner said:
Be gentle with me, I am trying to express this in a way that will not anger either Orthodox or Catholic, for we are brethren in Christ and I believe it grieves the Theotokos when we hurt each other...
Prior to the Great Schism, all Christians were part of the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church". Today, both Orthodox and Catholics lay claim to being "THE Church". I will not get into this theological minefield: I believe that in Heaven, this schism will be healed and that ALL sincere and repentant Christians will be part of God's Holy Church.
Those loving and serving Christ are the Elect. I have no guarantee of being one of the Elect, I can only pray to be made worthy by God's grace to be in Heaven for eternity with Christ my Savior. I desperately do not wish to EVER cause pain to my fellow Christians, as I do not wish to alienate those with whom I will most likely be sharing eternity.
LOL : I do not want to be standing in front of the Judgment Seat of God and have geocajun or nyj or TLF all upset with me.
Although there my be points of friction that exist, we are called as Christians to love one another. The scriptures tell us if we are coming to make an offering to God and we have something against our brother, to put down the offering and go make peace with our brother, for that is what pleases God.
I believe that we can each defend the Church and our Faith while lovingly reaching out to one another. I am so pleased to see the kindness and consideration that allow Orthodox & Catholics to work together in some of the General Forums to defend the Sacraments. It is heartening.
I apologize for my ramble, and I humbly apologize for butting in if it was not OK with you that I do so...
in IC XC,
Wiffey
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I would say all of those in Heaven are the elect and all of those who will be in Heaven are the elect. God knows who they are.
It is an interesting question Carrie, because, from the Biblical view, the elect are chosen. It's also Bibical that man makes choices that can determine eternal fate. So, I think this one is somewhat of a mystery. At least to my feeble mind.
Michelle
It is an interesting question Carrie, because, from the Biblical view, the elect are chosen. It's also Bibical that man makes choices that can determine eternal fate. So, I think this one is somewhat of a mystery. At least to my feeble mind.
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