The Eastern Orthodoxy and...........................

[Catholico]

.Hola.

Do we consider the Eastern breathren official Catholics?

I do , but I don't want to be mislead.

I think they are just not in union with the Pope, right?

Of course, along with minor doctrinal diffrences.

For instance:
If Mike Dukakis(Greek Orthodox) won the el. of 1988 would he of considered the 2nd Catholic president???

 

[nyj]

Do we consider the Eastern breathren official Catholics?

No, they're not Catholic as Catholicism defines the term (ie: in union with Rome). They are Orthodox. They do benefit from Apostolic Succession however, which is a main sticking point between Catholicism and much of Protestantism.

I think they are just not in union with the Pope, right?

The Orthodox are not in union with the Pope, that is correct. However, there are certain branches (or small parts of) of Orthodox churches which have returned to Rome. They are called "Eastern Rite Catholics". The main point of difference is that their liturgy differs from what Latin Rite Catholics would be used to.

For instance:
If Mike Dukakis(Greek Orthodox) won the el. of 1988 would he of considered the 2nd Catholic president???

No, he would have been considered the first Orthodox president (if he's even Orthodox)... I don't have a clue.

 

[MariaRegina]

The Orthodox are not in union with the Pope, that is correct. However, there are certain branches (or small parts of) of Orthodox churches which have returned to Rome. They are called "Eastern Rite Catholics". The main point of difference is that their liturgy differs from what Latin Rite Catholics would be used to.

My dearest faithful Dominican:

Christ is in our midst!

The Eastern Orthodox Liturgy is almost identical to the Eastern Rite Catholics (who don't like the word "rite") because the Vatican allowed the Eastern Catholic Churches to retain their Byzantine customs and traditions when they crossed the river and came under the Pope of Rome. The main difference now is that the Eastern CAtholics honor the Pope in the communion prayers.

No, he would have been considered the first Orthodox president (if he's even Orthodox)... I don't have a clue.

I think Dukakis was excommunicated wasn't he. I know that he is pro-abortion. His very name didn't help because it means a filty word in Armenian, and in other languages as well.

Your sister in Christ,
Elizabeth

 

[Reader Nilus]

The first place M. Dukakis went when he came to Seattle was St. Demetrios Greek Orthodox Church.
Jeff the Finn

 

[Catholico]

jeff,

Thanks.

I knew my Dad was right !

If the books have to list him as 1st Orthodox, thats close enough for me

Inn Godd(I don't know Greek),

Hector

 

[Catholico]

chanterhanson,

Mabye ther Prisidency is not the seat that has so much weight towards abortion?

I think its more of a supreme court thing.

Hector

 

[MariaRegina]

The first place M. Dukakis went when he came to Seattle was St. Demetrios Greek Orthodox Church.
Jeff the Finn

Christ is in our midst!

Yes, Jeff, Mr. Dukakis has to be politically correct. But several Greek Orthodox Priests told me that he was indeed excommunicated, and I don't think it has been lifted yet. SO WE MUST PRAY FOR HIM.

Your sister in Christ,

Elizabeth

 

[MariaRegina]

chanterhanson,

Mabye ther Prisidency is not the seat that has so much weight towards abortion?

I think its more of a supreme court thing.

Hector

Dearest Hector in Christ!

Gloria a Jesucristo! Gloria a El para siempre!

Have you ever heard of ZORBA THE GREEK? The author Nikos Kazantzakis is definitely Greek, but he also was excommunicated by the Greek Orthodox Church and his books were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, especially his LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, which was made into a movie.

That just goes to show you that you may be Greek, but being Greek doesn't imply that you are Orthodox in good standing. There are Jewish Greeks and Armenian Greeks as well as Catholic Greeks.

Just something to think about.

P.S. I read ZORBA THE GREEK for my English 102 class and it was really rugged reading. The movie wasn't as bad as the book. The man was deeply into dualism, which is anti-Christian.

An example of his dualism is the following passage taken from his book on page 222. There is a lot of truth here, and it's one of his milder attacks on the Church:

"Have you faith? Then a splinter from an old door becomes a sacred relic." [The church is Holy, because it is consecrated to God.].
"Have you no faith? Then the whole Holy Cross itself becomes an old doorpost to you." [This statement is blasphemy to Catholics!]

Do you see why the Catholic Church condemned his books. Could you in good faith call this guy 'Orthodox?' He never reconciled and died hating Orthodoxy in 1957.

The Orthodox Church doesn't excommunicate someone very often but when they do, there is a reason.

 

[Reader Nilus]

Dearest Hector in Christ!

Gloria a Jesucristo! Gloria a El para siempre!

Have you ever heard of ZORBA THE GREEK? The author Nikos is definitely Greek, but he also was excommunicated by the Greek Orthodox Church and his books were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, especially his LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, which was made into a movie.

That just goes to show you that you may be Greek, but being Greek doesn't imply that you are Orthodox in good standing. There are Jewish Greeks and Armenian Greeks as well as Catholic Greeks.

Just something to think about.

P.S. I read ZORBA THE GREEK for my English 102 class and it was really rugged reading. The movie wasn't as bad as the book. The man was deeply into dualism, which is anti-Christian.

An example of his dualism is the following passage taken from his book on page 222. There is a lot of truth here, and it's one of his milder attacks on the Church:

"Have you faith? Then a splinter from an old door becomes a sacred relic." [The church is Holy, because it is consecrated to God.].
"Have you no faith? Then the whole Holy Cross itself becomes an old doorpost to you." [This statement is blasphemy to Catholics!]

Do you see why the Catholic Church condemned his books. Could you in good faith call this guy 'Orthodox?' He never reconciled and died hating Orthodoxy in 1957.

The Orthodox Church doesn't excommunicate someone very often but when they do, there is a reason.

According to the canons you have quoted an Orthodox person can be excommunicated for something as simple as attending a Baptist Church. But Kazantzakis had an Orthodox Funeral and therefore died in the bosom of the Church.
Kazantzakis had a Church funeral according to an Orthodox priest from Crete. Below is a picture from 5th November 1957. Nikos Kazantzakis' funeral ceremony at the Cathedral of Saint Minas in Heraklion.

One of the best Christian novels is The Greek Passion by Nikos Kazantzakis, a must read from my point of view.
Jeff the Finn

 

[MariaRegina]

According to the canons you have quoted an Orthodox person can be excommunicated for something as simple as attending a Baptist Church. But Kazantzakis had an Orthodox Funeral and therefore died in the bosom of the Church.
Kazantzakis had a Church funeral according to an Orthodox priest from Crete. Below is a picture from 5th November 1957. Nikos Kazantzakis' funeral ceremony at the Cathedral of Saint Minas in Heraklion.

One of the best Christian novels is The Greek Passion by Nikos Kazantzakis, a must read from my point of view.
Jeff the Finn

Dearest Jeff:

THIS IS REALLY NEWS TO ME. I asked several priests and read several newspapers from Greece all saying that he died and was buried outside the Church. Even my teacher told the class the same information after he did research. Are all those people wrong?

The official statement was that he was never reconciled. Sometimes priests will go against their bishop and have a funeral anyway, but I would like further proof. The websites that I checked all said that he was not orthodox any longer, and they boasted that.

Who is telling the truth here?

Your sister in Christ,
Elizabeth

P.S. A Greek Orthodox Church recently had a large funeral for a teen that had committed suicide by playing Russian roulette. Does that mean the teen was guaranteed salvation? Come on. Where is Kazantzakis's apology?

 

[Reader Nilus]

The Greek Priest in Tacoma a few years ago assured us that Kazantzakis was buried in the Church. As you can see his funeral was in a Cathedral on Crete. The Church of Greece wanted nothing to do with it, but Crete is autonomous and did.
Jeff the Finn

 

[MariaRegina]

The Greek Priest in Tacoma a few years ago assured us that Kazantzakis was buried in the Church. As you can see his funeral was in a Cathedral on Crete. The Church of Greece wanted nothing to do with it, but Crete is autonomous and did.
Jeff the Finn

My dearest Jeff the Viking:

Yes, he could have been buried in Crete as that was the politically correct thing to do. No funeral, no donations. Therefore, the Church in Crete probably felt obligated to be nice to his wealthy friends and family. Then there were his ties with the wealthy masons.

But did he ever repent? Why did the Church of Greece want nothing to do with him? I read some of the reports from Greece. They considered him heretical and unrepentant.

Did he really ever repent? Several priests said, "no."

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

 

[DustedOffMouse]

.Hola.

Do we consider the Eastern breathren official Catholics?

We must remember that there is a difference between Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. The Catholic Church has what.. 7 Rites, no? Roman, Latin, Chaldean, Byzantine, and I don't know the others. My fiance was raised in a Byzantine Catholic church- and they are in full union with the Pope. His church was in the Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, which is part of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. The Mass was entirely sung, with parts in Slovakian. They have more ornate icons, icon screens, use much more incense, have distinctive building styles, have different saints that get more focus, and have a very specific focus on the Blessed Mother. But they are in complete 100% union with Rome. On the other hand we have Eastern Orthodox churches, which Elizabeth cantell/hastold you more about