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The Easter that was not Easter

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That's a false accusation. I've proven you wrong and now you resort to personal attacks, a common tactic for those with a incorrect position.
 
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That's a false accusation.
Then report me if you believe that to be true.
I've proven you wrong and now you resort to personal attacks, a common tactic for those with a incorrect position.
You haven't proven anything, the only common tactic I've seen is this thread is from you. People who say they prove others wrong yet do not provide any evidence except what they can plagiarise off wikipedia are the ones causing a problem. Crying wolf is a typical response and you have just done it. https://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html
 
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All you have are baseless ad hominems. The link where Bede's words and the translation were included so no plagiarism happened. That's how you knew it was from wiki lol. The link contains the person credited with the translation along with the wiki address plus I made it clear the words were from Bede.
 
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Actually I knew it was from wiki because I copied and pasted your quote into google and what was the first thing that come up wikipedia! So again you are wrong. I have Bede, I got it in 1995 when I started studying, it is in English. Bede has been in English for years. You do understand what plagiarism is don't you?

Anyway none of this adds anything to your argument, you still haven't provided anything from Bede that says Eostre was a fertility goddess. You still haven't provided anything that shows Eostre and Ishtar are the same thing. Your argument has fallen flatter than a pancake. When your ready to do this properly provide your evidence and we can restart this discussion. You can show us exactly where Bede says Eostre was a fertility goddess, and you can also show us how Eostre and Ishtar are the same thing. I won't wait with baited breath though because I do want to live to tomorrow if God wills it.
 
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Which Christians allowed that? Was there a day when millions gathered together to announce that the holiest day would henceforth be known as Easter? Who made the declaration? Did he say to search for eggs on the church building grounds, or in your own yard, or in a public park? Which one was designated? Did he state that those failing to follow the egg coloring, hiding and finding, then counting to see which child found the most, were to expect judgment by God?

Easter eggs should never be a substitute for the observance of the Resurrection. Resurrection day should never be identified as a pagan observance.
 
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Which Christians allowed that? Was there a day when millions gathered together to announce that the holiest day would henceforth be known as Easter? Who made the declaration?

I'm sure it was a slow process over time. It is generally believed that looking past certain pagan beliefs in order to gain converts is how it happened. The church was greedy for membership and allowed some of it's own beliefs and tradition to be watered down and infected. Perhaps it thought in time they could slowly remove these things but that didn't happen.



So Easter eggs and hunts and rabbit idols everywhere probably shouldn't be a part of Resurrection day huh?
 
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So Easter eggs and hunts and rabbit idols everywhere probably shouldn't be a part of Resurrection day huh?

SEPARATE the two. How difficult is that to understand? "Easter Sunday," a "Holy Remembrance Day," Resurrection Day," has zero, zilch, nada to do with eggs and hunts and rabbit idols.

Wake up! Stop promoting this nonsense.
 
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SEPARATE the two. How difficult is that to understand? "Easter Sunday," a "Holy Remembrance Day," Resurrection Day," has zero, zilch, nada to do with eggs and hunts and rabbit idols.

Wake up! Stop promoting this nonsense.

I guess you don't understand. There shouldn't be any rabbits or eggs involved with resurrection Sunday at all. You might as well have a golden cow in the middle of the church.
 
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I guess you don't understand. There shouldn't be any rabbits or eggs involved with resurrection Sunday at all. You might as well have a golden cow in the middle of the church.

The Body of Christ (the authentic Church) does not entertain such nonsense.

I challenge you to find one authentic Christian assembly anywhere, where rabbits, eggs, and hunts are part of the worship service. Please list all those where a golden cow is placed in the middle of a worship service.

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please.

During an authentic Christian assembly do we pray, or mention, our thanks to God for rabbits, eggs, and hunts? Does the Pastor call upon us to remember rabbits, eggs, and hunts? Does he say, "Beloved, we are gathered here today in remembrance of Easter eggs?"

S E P A R A T E the two!! Realize, yourself, and share with your family, that Resurrection Day is a time for Holy Remembrance of our Lord's wonderful Gift of Grace through Faith. Teach your children that the games they play on Sunday are merely games, having nothing to do with His Sacrifice! Enjoy Sunday, as, an example, in "This do, in remembrance of Me." Don't get bogged down in works!

If you do, you'll have to park the car on Sunday, no picnics for the children, no TV, no loud talking, nothing but pristine manners at the table, no telephone calls, no games on Androids or whatever, no friends over, no singing or humming of secular songs..... If someone knocks on the door, don't open it! They might be neighbors or parents or grandparents offering you an "Easter basket!"

Cherish the sacrifice He made without gazing back at what "someone" used to do!

 
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The Body of Christ (the authentic Church) does not entertain such nonsense.

Which church is that because most do entertain these things with great passion.


I challenge you to find one authentic Christian assembly anywhere, where rabbits, eggs, and hunts are part of the worship service. Please list all those where a golden cow is placed in the middle of a worship service.

The golden cow represents these non-Christian traditions...the rabbits and eggs and they are an issue if the church endorses them anywhere in the church or grounds.



Some might but if there are any in the church at all and any plans for an Easter egg hunt then the church insults the death and resurrection of Christ.



Teach your children that the games they play on Sunday are merely games, having nothing to do with His Sacrifice! Enjoy Sunday, as, an example, in "This do, in remembrance of Me." Don't get bogged down in works!

How about teaching your children not to engage in pagan activities as "games".




One can politely decline an Easter basket because it conflicts with one's religious beliefs.
 
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Good for you. But the record is pretty clear that they disagreed on when to celebrate Easter. That was one of the things that the Council of Nicaea addressed.
This may be true, but that's because the western church was trying to get away from the Jewish roots of Christianity. So while some maintained a Jewish Passover-like version of Easter in the east, where the day of the event was arbitrary, those in the west were changing the method of calculation, fixing the celebration to Sunday relative to the resurrection. That's the heart of the disagreement that they discussed at Nicaea. There wasn't technically any confusion, just a disagreement in how the church as a whole was going to celebrate it. And the powder keg was ignited when Victor attempted to excommunicate the entire eastern church for refusing to get on board with the eastern change. It was an ugly mess. You can read about it in Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History.
 
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The method of calculation used in Rome goes back very early--St. Anicletus of Rome and St. Polycarp of Smyrna met together and there one major disagreement was how to calculate the Paschal Feast, Polycarp was a Quartodeciman a position he had received from early on, and Anicletus maintained that the Paschal Feast should always happen on the first day of the week which was the custom he had always received. They agreed to not let it hinder their communion.

When the council fathers concluded that the Paschal Feast should be standardized everywhere they addressed their letter not to the Church in Rome in the West, but the Church in Alexandria because it was the Egyptian Church's calculation that they agreed upon. Quartodecimanism was already a minor position, and the method of calculation was accepted seemingly without opposition or controversy. Or let's put it this way--I am unaware of any opposition from the churches in Asia (the traditional stronghold of Quartodecimanism).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Events concerning the Resurrection of Jesus are Spiritual. The Resurrection is Spiritually observed, both in humble awe and great rejoicing. He was born, lived, ministered, denied, was arrested, tried, "convicted", crucified, died, was buried, and He rose again. The quagmire of debate robs from His Majesty, King of kings, Lord of lords.
 
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The morrow of the Pesach Sabbath is ALWAYS on a Sunday. This is Yom Habikkurim, firstfruits. Shavuot (Pentecost) also is ALWAYS on a Sunday. Rabbinic Jews do not follow this currently. A major problem was when to stop fasting, on the 14th or on the Sunday of Pascha.
 
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that's funny since a roasted egg is on the seder plate at Passover...
 
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that's funny since a roasted egg is on the seder plate at Passover...

And what scripture says to have that at Passover?

Also, we aren't talking about what's related to Passover but Resurrection Sunday which is after Passover. That Sunday was wrongly named Easter after a pagan Goddess or various fertility Goddess and Eggs and Rabbits have nothing to do with Christ resurrecting. They are fertility symbols.
 
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Yes Easter is of pagan origin, and the celebration of Easter is displeasing to the LORD. I do not say this to hurt anyone's feelings, I use to celebrate it until my eyes were opened to the truth, which is His Word. Easter is full of pagan rituals, even the name is from a pagan goddess. Passover is the day he was crucified, the days began right at sundown. Yeshua (Jesus) is our Passover Lamb, if that is the case, wouldn't He have been crucified on Passover? He was buried during Unleavened Bread and rose during First Fruits! Also, this evening is the beginning of Pentecost, when the LORD baptized them with fire, (His Holy Spirit), empowering His believers! Praise the LORD!
 
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No actually, He was crucified during the daylight hours 9 AM to 3 PM of the 14th when the lambs were slain in the Temple. Passover would begin that evening after sundown. He was already buried in His Tomb when Passover began.
 
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