The Easter that was not Easter

[pshun2404]

The Pasha or Easter celebration was always a remembrance of our Lord's resurrection. He rose on the feast of Firstfruits as the firstfruit from the dead. First fruits is always the weekly 1st day following Passover in the feast of Unleavened Bread.

IMO it is very important that we celebrate this on the correct day. ALL the early church celebrated the resurrection memorial on this day (even the RC) for centuries. Actual Pasha?Easter this year will be April 24th...remember His death on Passover and celebrate His resurrection on the feast of firstfruits.

In His love

Paul

 

[ewq1938]

remember His death on Passover

He did not die on Passover. He ate the Passover dinner with his disciples.

Mat 26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

He was arrested on Passover, crucified and died the day after Passover.

 

[pshun2404]

He did not die on Passover. He ate the Passover dinner with his disciples.

Mat 26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

He was arrested on Passover, crucified and died the day after Passover.

No to the Hebrew reckoning the evening and the morning are a day....they ate in the evening (consuming it all before morning as the Torah dictates) and He was crucified later on during the morning or light portion of Passover day (around 3 pm)....Passover the day would not end until sundown

 

[Arcangl86]

IMO it is very important that we celebrate this on the correct day. ALL the early church celebrated the resurrection memorial on this day (even the RC) for centuries.

In His love

Paul

Except they didn't.

 

[keltoi]

No to the Hebrew reckoning the evening and the morning are a day....they ate in the evening (consuming it all before morning as the Torah dictates) and He was crucified later on during the morning or light portion of Passover day (around 3 pm)....Passover the day would not end until sundown

If you read Genesis 1:1-5 it actually says that God created light (so we have daylight) then evening and morning the first day. So the break of day daylight in the morning is the end of the period of the day before.

 

[pshun2404]

Except they didn't.

I disagree. It was many centuries later that this changed and it was men who changed it. It is not the selection of an arbitrary day like Christmas (even though based on speculations), we KNOW the day He rose,it was the weekly 1st day following Passover (which in our application would always be a Sunday but a specific one). There is no need to explain this away.

 

[Arcangl86]

I disagree. It was many centuries later that this changed and it was men who changed it. It is not the selection of an arbitrary day like Christmas (even though based on speculations), we KNOW the day He rose,it was the weekly 1st day following Passover (which in our application would always be a Sunday but a specific one). There is no need to explain this away.

Good for you. But the record is pretty clear that they disagreed on when to celebrate Easter. That was one of the things that the Council of Nicaea addressed.

 

[pshun2404]

Good for you. But the record is pretty clear that they disagreed on when to celebrate Easter. That was one of the things that the Council of Nicaea addressed.

But the argument was what should be focused on. The Churches in the East traditionally focused on Passover (Pasha) celebrating His death till He comes on the evening of the 14th of Nisan (our gathering on the first day celebrated His resurrection). But the churches in the West focused more on the day He rose which for them was the Sunday following the Passover. This conflict was first discussed by Polycarp and Anecetus just after the turn of the 1st century. They agreed to keep the peace and the Unity of the Spirit but the issue was not which Sunday. This issue continued through the time of Polycrates and Melito at the end of the 2nd century,,,,but whether or not you sided with the East or the West the Sunday in question was never the issue...for both groups the day He rose was the Sunday that followed the 14th of Nisan (passover) and to this day the "Easter" celebration is still called the Pasha (from Pesach or Passover) or the Pashal Feast

 

[ewq1938]

But the argument was what should be focused on. The Churches in the East traditionally focused on Passover (Pasha) celebrating His death till He comes on the evening of the 14th of Nisan (our gathering on the first day celebrated His resurrection). But the churches in the West focused more on the day He rose which for them was the Sunday following the Passover. This conflict was first discussed by Polycarp and Anecetus just after the turn of the 1st century. They agreed to keep the peace and the Unity of the Spirit but the issue was not which Sunday. This issue continued through the time of Polycrates and Melito at the end of the 2nd century,,,,but whether or not you sided with the East or the West the Sunday in question was never the issue...for both groups the day He rose was the Sunday that followed the 14th of Nisan (passover) and to this day the "Easter" celebration is still called the Pasha (from Pesach or Passover) or the Pashal Feast

Let's agree the name Easter is pagan and has nothing to do with the Lord dying or resurrecting. It merely was a pagan holiday held near these same events.

 

[Arcangl86]

Let's agree the name Easter is pagan and has nothing to do with the Lord dying or resurrecting. It merely was a pagan holiday held near these same events.

Except it wasn't. Also, Easter is only used in English and a similar word in German. Most languages have some variety of Pashca.

 

[keltoi]

Let's agree the name Easter is pagan and has nothing to do with the Lord dying or resurrecting. It merely was a pagan holiday held near these same events.

What proof do you have of this? The only old mention of Easter being Pagan is by Bede, current talk of Easter being pagan started about the 19th century.

 

[ewq1938]

What proof do you have of this? .

Google the origins of the name. It's fully pagan. Ever wonder what rabbits and eggs had to do with Jesus dying on the cross?

 

[keltoi]

Google the origins of the name. It's fully pagan. Ever wonder what rabbits and eggs had to do with Jesus dying on the cross?

So you don't have any proof then! I don't need to google it I have studied it at university. Bede wrote about an ancient pagan Anglo/Saxon goddess called oestra, then there is a story about ishtar from Babylon. So what one is it? guess what it is neither. English is the only language that translates Passover as Easter, others call it pascha or a native variation of "pass over". The only pagan thing about Easter is 1 paragraph in Bede and some neo-pagan desire to link Easter with Ishtar.

 

[ewq1938]

So you don't have any proof then!

The proof is the truth of the origins of Easter. If you won't look into it then fine. Nothing that I post will matter which is why I directed you to do your own studying into it. No comment on rabbits and eggs huh? That figures. Keep your pagan Easter. I reject it in favor of the death and resurrection of Jesus which didn't involve Easter eggs.

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[keltoi]

The proof is the truth of the origins of Easter.

The origins of Easter is Passover, you say it is pagan so you need to provide proof of this assertion.

If you won't look into it then fine.

So a university degree in history specialising in beliefs means I haven't looked into it does it?

Nothing that I post will matter which is why I directed you to do your own studying into it.

You haven't actually posted anything to matter. Provide proof and then lets have an adult discussion.

No comment on rabbits and eggs huh? That figures. Keep your pagan Easter. I reject it in favor of the death and resurrection of Jesus which didn't involve Easter eggs.

The rabbits and eggs issue is a 19th century German (more specifically Lutheran) cultural practise. I have posted about this in other threads but you just want to peddle this Easter is pagan fairy tale that has no basis in truth. I understand people have a problem with the thought that Easter is Pagan, I myself had the very same concerns but I studied it, not just Googled it either but actually studied it as part of my degree, and I found that the old only mention of Easter having pagan origins is in Bede and it is 1 paragraph. Everything else is a 19-20th century neo-pagan beat up in an attempt to discredit Christianity.

You can tell people to study it all you like but until you actually do you are just going to keep sprouting the same neo-pagan rubbish that modern society keeps sprouting.

 

[ewq1938]

The origins of Easter is Passover, you say it is pagan so you need to provide proof of this assertion.

Again, anyone who searches the origins of the term Easter will see it's related to pagan gods and rituals. It's been proven long before I ever posted in this thread.

 

[keltoi]

Again, anyone who searches the origins of the term Easter will see it's related to pagan gods and rituals. It's been proven long before I ever posted in this thread.

Again, you, just like everyone else that believes this neo-pagan fairytale, are wrong. I have provided you with relevant evidence you have provided nothing.

Go and read Bede, go and look up the Lutheran Easter practises, go and look up the different names for Easter around the world and see that, apart from Easter, they are translations of Passover. Instead of believing what you find on Google (ancient origins was probably the first link you read) and wikipedia, go and actually study Passover and Easter and see how Easter is the New Covenant version of Passover. This bit about Oester and the neo-pagan rubbish about Ishtar, and then the high and mighty attitude over rabbits and eggs which are from German Lutherans, just indicates you haven't got a clue about what you are getting hot and bothered about. Again, instead of telling others to study up on this you should study up on it and start providing evidence instead of just saying "Google it."

 

[ewq1938]

Wow, you are still avoiding the word "Easter"? I wonder why you would do that.

Again, you, just like everyone else that believes this neo-pagan fairytale, are wrong. I have provided you with relevant evidence you have provided nothing.

Go and read Bede, go and look up the Lutheran Easter practises, go and look up the different names for Easter around the world and see that, apart from Easter, they are translations of Passover. Instead of believing what you find on Google (ancient origins was probably the first link you read) and wikipedia, go and actually study Passover and Easter and see how Easter is the New Covenant version of Passover. This bit about Oester and the neo-pagan rubbish about Ishtar, and then the high and mighty attitude over rabbits and eggs which are from German Lutherans, just indicates you haven't got a clue about what you are getting hot and bothered about. Again, instead of telling others to study up on this you should study up on it and start providing evidence instead of just saying "Google it."

 

[keltoi]

Wow, you are still avoiding the word "Easter"? I wonder why you would do that.

Considering I used the word Easter 5 times in the section you quoted I'm now led to believe you're simply here to bait people. I'm not your monkey and I don't work in your circus.

 

[Arcangl86]

The proof is the truth of the origins of Easter. If you won't look into it then fine. Nothing that I post will matter which is why I directed you to do your own studying into it. No comment on rabbits and eggs huh? That figures. Keep your pagan Easter. I reject it in favor of the death and resurrection of Jesus which didn't involve Easter eggs.

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So you are saying you don't understand the origins of the eggs huh? They are a symbol of the Resurrection. The egg, which looks like a stone, represents the tomb and the chicken inside is new life. They were originally painted only red IIRC. As for the rabbits that was a medieval development, and I cannot remember the origins of it ATM.