The Earth IS Flat

[mmksparbud]

It is mentioned everywhere else, and a firmament cannot surrounded a sphere:

- A city cannot be hid on a hill
- Satan took Jesus to the highest mountain
- Everyone will see Jesus returning
- Four Corners ( mentioned countless times )
- Four pillars
- Earth is like a footstool ( flat with pillars )
- Heaven stretched out over the earth
- Heaven and hell above and below respectively

Here are many more quotes:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/flat_earth

How anyone gets a flat earth out of any of those verses is beyond me. Any of those verses would still hold true if it was in the shape of a turkey.

 

[ConquerorPlus]

Genesis tells me that the flat earth, with your mountains, is under a dome with water above and under the earth. Consider what a dome is and you too might conclude that the earth is really flat, if you cannot use your common sense.

 

[mmksparbud]

Genesis tells me that the flat earth, with your mountains, is under a dome with water above and under the earth. Consider what a dome is and you too might conclude that the earth is really flat, if you cannot use your common sense.

I will happily explain that to you.

First you need to understand that the continents are not exactly where a rectangular/global map shows them to be, and flight routes will confirm this.

The shape of the earth, and position of Continents, is a flat disc ( with surface elevation differences ), surrounded by a firmament in which the outer edges are in the outer parts of Antarctica, and the edge of the firmament surrounds the Earth as a circle.

In the center of the circle is the north pole, then some oceans, than the major continents, then more oceans, the Antarctica, then if you go far enough into Antarctica you reach the firmament, which surrounds Antarctica 360 degrees in a circle.

You will not fall off, because you are surrounded in an impenetrable firmament, if you flew a plane into the firmament, the plane will be destroyed. There is nothing on earth than can break through the firmament, because it is made by God.[/QUOTE

If you all want to get literal--then do so---this is what the actual Hebrew says---
Genesis 1:6
and Elohiym said, a sheet will exist in the midst of the waters, and he existed, making a separation between waters to waters,
Genesis 1:7
and Elohiym made the sheet, and he made a separation between the waters which are below for a sheet and the waters which are above for a sheet, and he existed so,
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html

A sheet is a flat rectangle---go take a close look at one. So you need to change your concepts to a flat rectangle.

 

[mmksparbud]

Now--if you did your homework and found that the actual word is sheet---maybe you can go on to the next little bit of information===a sheet in the Hebrew did indeed, mean flat surface----however, it meant one made of metal, cloth or animal skin, it was not a word to describe a shape, but it was a word to describe a function, such as sheath--a covering.

θήκη


thēkē

Thayer Definition:

1) that which a thing is put or laid away, a receptacle, repository, chest, box

1a) used of the sheath of a sword


---so, if you see a metal, cloth or animal skin covering up there, let us know.

 

[ConquerorPlus]

What is that word 'sheet' in the original Hebrew and which translation did you use?

 

[mmksparbud]

What is that word 'sheet' in the original Hebrew and which translation did you use?

Go to post #43--click the "click to expand" button it's all there. But I will copy it to here:

"If you all want to get literal--then do so---this is what the actual Hebrew says---
Genesis 1:6
and Elohiym said, a sheet will exist in the midst of the waters, and he existed, making a separation between waters to waters,
Genesis 1:7
and Elohiym made the sheet, and he made a separation between the waters which are below for a sheet and the waters which are above for a sheet, and he existed so,
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html
A sheet is a flat rectangle---go take a close look at one. So you need to change your concepts to a flat rectangle."

 

[ConquerorPlus]

Go to post #43--click the "click to expand" button it's all there. But I will copy it to here:

"If you all want to get literal--then do so---this is what the actual Hebrew says---
Genesis 1:6
and Elohiym said, a sheet will exist in the midst of the waters, and he existed, making a separation between waters to waters,
Genesis 1:7
and Elohiym made the sheet, and he made a separation between the waters which are below for a sheet and the waters which are above for a sheet, and he existed so,
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html
A sheet is a flat rectangle---go take a close look at one. So you need to change your concepts to a flat rectangle."

This clearly isn't so as common sense should prevail. Is it common sense that the earth was created in 6 days?

 

[mmksparbud]

This clearly isn't so as common sense should prevail. Is it common sense that the earth was created in 6 days?

Well, you know--YOUR RIGHT!! Makes no sense---He could have done it in less---

Psa_33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Jer_32:27 Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Pro_3:5 Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding:
(Rev 10:6 KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Maybe you should look up the word "sound"-new research is quite fascinating---the power of sound. We have no idea what the voice of God can do--the bible says He spoke a world into existence---His voice raises the dead, His voice, calms a raging sea--makes no "common sense" that the bible says God created light before He created the sun---look up the word "light"--there are many aspects to it--including what is called "invisible light" --- invisible to us---not to God. They are just learning about the many aspects of light now.

From a scientific publication about new sound technology--

That sound-powered equipment can accomplish these tasks seems almost magical—and rightly so: Arthur C. Clarke once remarked that "any sufficiently developed technology is indistinguishable from magic." Below we attempt to reveal the legerdemain and explain the simple physics that makes thermoacoustic machines possible.
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/the-power-of-sound/1

Common sense should prevail---and common sense says he earth is round---have you seen the other planets? Every other planet is round. Every other planet but ours is round???? Is that common sense?? You want to apply what the bible says literally---but you refuse to accept what the literal says in the original Hebrew---is that common sense?? You only want to apply modern meaning to an ancient language whos manner of writing can deal more with "impressions" then the literal? Do you understand the Hebrew language at all? You realize that a word can mean more than one thing depending on the context? Even the word "god" as used in Psalms 82 can be not Just God, but judges, people of authority.
Human "common sense" based on our meager knowledge and the power of God don't have much in common.

 

[ConquerorPlus]

Well, you know--YOUR RIGHT!! Makes no sense---He could have done it in less---

Psa_33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Jer_32:27 Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Pro_3:5 Trust in Jehovah with all thy heart, And lean not upon thine own understanding:
(Rev 10:6 KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Maybe you should look up the word "sound"-new research is quite fascinating---the power of sound. We have no idea what the voice of God can do--the bible says He spoke a world into existence---His voice raises the dead, His voice, calms a raging sea--makes no "common sense" that the bible says God created light before He created the sun---look up the word "light"--there are many aspects to it--including what is called "invisible light" --- invisible to us---not to God. They are just learning about the many aspects of light now.

From a scientific publication about new sound technology--

That sound-powered equipment can accomplish these tasks seems almost magical—and rightly so: Arthur C. Clarke once remarked that "any sufficiently developed technology is indistinguishable from magic." Below we attempt to reveal the legerdemain and explain the simple physics that makes thermoacoustic machines possible.
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/the-power-of-sound/1

Common sense should prevail---and common sense says he earth is round---have you seen the other planets? Every other planet is round. Every other planet but ours is round???? Is that common sense?? You want to apply what the bible says literally---but you refuse to accept what the literal says in the original Hebrew---is that common sense?? You only want to apply modern meaning to an ancient language whos manner of writing can deal more with "impressions" then the literal? Do you understand the Hebrew language at all? You realize that a word can mean more than one thing depending on the context? Even the word "god" as used in Psalms 82 can be not Just God, but judges, people of authority.
Human "common sense" based on our meager knowledge and the power of God don't have much in common.

I understand the point of view of adhering to a flat earth, the sun around the earth and 7 day creationism. Nothing has changed! God can make the sun move around the earth! Never mind that common sense doesn't prevail.

BTW How do you think your witness to an astrophysicist would go?

 

[mmksparbud]

I understand the point of view of adhering to a flat earth, the sun around the earth and 7 day creationism. Nothing has changed! God can make the sun move around the earth! Never mind that common sense doesn't prevail.

BTW How do you think your witness to an astrophysicist would go?

Just as easily as He can make a round earth that goes around the sun in 7 days---Never mind that your common sense doesn't prevail!

 

[ConquerorPlus]

I understand the point of view of adhering to a flat earth, the sun around the earth and 7 day creationism. Nothing has changed! God can make the sun move around the earth! Never mind that common sense doesn't prevail.

BTW How do you think your witness to an astrophysicist would go?

Just as easily as He can make a round earth that goes around the sun in 7 days---Never mind that your common sense doesn't prevail!

What you wrote isn't observable! Neither is 7 day creationism, but the SDA are stuck with a particular brand of unbelief.

 

[Aquila 04]

I am so confused, do some of you honestly believe the Earth is flat? Like, seriously or is this just trolling to see if you can come up with any type of argument legitimately supporting it?

Have you never flown before? Never seen the curvature of the Earth from high altitude flights?

Just go to NASA.com and find the HD ISS views. It's live feed from the International Space Station, various cameras that show you live images of Earth...from space...with the curvature plainly visible.

Also, why is it when I have gone up into the air traffic control tower at the base I work at that I cannot see the Rocky Mountains to the west or the Appalachians to the east? They should be tall enough that I could pick them out right?

I guess at least you're not the type of flat Earther that thinks we're flying through space on the back of a giant turtle.

 

[mmksparbud]

I understand the point of view of adhering to a flat earth, the sun around the earth and 7 day creationism. Nothing has changed! God can make the sun move around the earth! Never mind that common sense doesn't prevail.

BTW How do you think your witness to an astrophysicist would go?



What you wrote isn't observable! Neither is 7 day creationism, but the SDA are stuck with a particular brand of unbelief.

LOL---your flat earth is not observable!! However----a round one is---except to the blind.
And just exactly what brand of unbelief are you talking about???

 

[ToBeLoved]

If you're a fundamentalist and truly belief the bible as the literal word of God, which I do, you should acknowledge that the world is flat.

I'm not going to argue it, but there is a large amount of evidence on google or youtube, and its just common sense.

How can you say you take the bible literally and believe we're some random planet spinning around the sun, in the galaxy, in the universe. Its a lie. We are stationary and not moving. A flat circle, surrounded in a firmament, as described in Genesis, with heaven above, and hell below.

Where does the BIble state anything about the world being flat? Even if the world was round, it would still be the heaven above.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It is mentioned everywhere else, and a firmament cannot surrounded a sphere:

- A city cannot be hid on a hill
- Satan took Jesus to the highest mountain
- Everyone will see Jesus returning
- Four Corners ( mentioned countless times )
- Four pillars
- Earth is like a footstool ( flat with pillars )
- Heaven stretched out over the earth
- Heaven and hell above and below respectively

Here are many more quotes:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/flat_earth

So what is the problem? I'm not seeing your point?

 

[classicalhero]

I do love how they take poetic statements out of their context and take them hyper literally and not what the author meant. The Psalmist says that he won't move, but that doesn't mean he literally won't move, but that he knows his course and won't be shaken from it. The Bible clearly states the spherical nature of th world.

 

[mmksparbud]

LOL--"Common sense!" You can look at the moon and see it is round--is it common sense to think that the earth would then be flat?? Have they not seen photos of the other planets--all of them round??? The 4 corners of the world?---How would that make it a flat circle, common sense would dictate a square!! Except that the four corners simply means the 4 directions --North, South, East and West. A footstool in ancient times referred to the putting of the enemies NECKS under their foot---

ὑποπόδιον


hupopodion

Thayer Definition:

1) a footstool

1a) to make one a footstool of one’s feet, i.e. to subject, to reduce under one’s power


1b) metaphorically taken from the practice of conquerors who placed their feet on the necks of their conquered enemies

It by no means meant flat!
All those verses in that link---not a single one means the earth is flat, not one! That the earth can not be moved, means just that---get out there and try to push it some time!! Common sense??---So Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world---so go to the top of the highest mountain in the world and see if you can see them---you can't!! Satan has power--more than a human, we are created lower than the angels, he showed Jesus the kingdoms, not that they could be seen because the earth is flat---you can go up in a balloon --or a plane, above the highest mountain and still not be able to see all the kingdoms of the earth--the roundness of the earth makes it impossible.

Luk_4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
It's pretty obvious this is just not looking around--it was a supernatural act---where is their common sense???

Who says a firmament can't surround a sphere?? That too hard for God?? Have they not seen the rings of Saturn?? Every eye shall Him---yup, if God says it, then that is what will be--He spoke s world into existence--every eye shall see Him, it says nothing about a flat earth---nothing in a single one of those verses says the earth is flat!!

 

[JoeP222w]

If you're a fundamentalist and truly belief the bible as the literal word of God, which I do, you should acknowledge that the world is flat.

I'm not going to argue it, but there is a large amount of evidence on google or youtube, and its just common sense.

How can you say you take the bible literally and believe we're some random planet spinning around the sun, in the galaxy, in the universe. Its a lie. We are stationary and not moving. A flat circle, surrounded in a firmament, as described in Genesis, with heaven above, and hell below.

Show the specific verse, in context, and with understanding of the context literary genre being used in said passage, where the Bible says that the earth is flat.

The Bible never says the earth is flat that I am aware of.

The Bible is to be taken literally, but also with an understanding of historical context and literary genre being used in any given passage. For example the Bible uses poetic language (in the book of Job or Psalms, for instance), but that does not violate the standard of the Bible being literally true.

 

[JoeP222w]

It is mentioned everywhere else, and a firmament cannot surrounded a sphere:

- A city cannot be hid on a hill
- Satan took Jesus to the highest mountain
- Everyone will see Jesus returning
- Four Corners ( mentioned countless times )
- Four pillars
- Earth is like a footstool ( flat with pillars )
- Heaven stretched out over the earth
- Heaven and hell above and below respectively

Here are many more quotes:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/flat_earth

It seems that you do not understand poetic, metaphoric, hyperbolic genres.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Also, why would we have and need gravity if the earth was not round, but flat. Note that no gravity is in outer space, but it is here on earth.