The Earth is Flat, and you will prove it.

[The Cadet]

I don't think it's the "entire" scientific community. Also, attacking is a very strong word....ALL science SHOULD be questioned. Do you not agree? Do you think we should just roll along believing everything we are told because someone wears a white coat and has a few letters after their name?

At what point do we get to sit back and say, "Okay, we no longer need to pay attention to these arguments, because they're so obviously and trivially wrong, and the evidence against their position is so overwhelmingly massive, that there's a better chance of lightning striking the queen of Australia 10 times in 10 minutes and her surviving than there is of them being right"?

The point is not "we should just blindly trust science", the point is "flat-earthers are a complete laughingstock that are in no way worth taking seriously". And defending them just makes you look bad. No, they don't raise good points. No, they don't back up their facts well. They are completely contradicted by over 2000 years of established science. We've known the earth was round since before Christ was allegedly born.

 

[JacksBratt]

You insinuated that the reason almost every single scientist on earth (including the astronomers and geo-scientists) believes in round-earth is because of NASA and govt influencing them to believe in a totally wrong model of the planet. Is that right?

No, but the FE people do. I'm saying that there are some questions out there that need answering.

 

[durangodawood]

No, but the FE people do. I'm saying that there are some questions out there that need answering.

I understand that you are playing FE advocate, and I applaud your performance.

I asked about the proposed NASA/govt conspiracy to mislead the worlds astronomers, geo-scientists, communications engineers, etc, because its sort of low hanging fruit that smells entirely rotten. If the conspiracy angle of FE fails, then then I'm happy to place trust in the scientific enterprise generally.

 

[JacksBratt]

At what point do we get to sit back and say, "Okay, we no longer need to pay attention to these arguments, because they're so obviously and trivially wrong, and the evidence against their position is so overwhelmingly massive, that there's a better chance of lightning striking the queen of Australia 10 times in 10 minutes and her surviving than there is of them being right"?

OK, I'm done standing up for their prospective arguments. All I will say is that the facts they have are not trivial, the evidence against them is not overwhelmingly massive.

You really need to look into this for yourself or ask one of them. I have and I am not a believer but I do have a lot of head scratchers to look into.

The point is not "we should just blindly trust science", the point is "flat-earthers are a complete laughingstock that are in no way worth taking seriously". And defending them just makes you look bad. No, they don't raise good points. No, they don't back up their facts well. They are completely contradicted by over 2000 years of established science. We've known the earth was round since before Christ was allegedly born.

Of course you should not take them seriously..... Really? If I had a real scam going, the biggest one since humans started writing stuff down..... I would want the truth to be viewed as a joke and the people spreading it to be seen as laughing stocks.

We have known? Be honest, there is not one scientific test you can do to prove the globe, with out NASA. IF you think you do. Go put it to the FE guru's. They will scientifically shoot down your proof with state of the art technology.

Like I said, I don't believe it is flat. I have a few aces up my sleeve to hold till I cannot solve the questions they ask.

 

[JacksBratt]

I understand that you are playing FE advocate, and I applaud your performance.

I asked about the proposed NASA/govt conspiracy to mislead the worlds astronomers, geo-scientists, communications engineers, etc, because its sort of low hanging fruit that smells entirely rotten. If the conspiracy angle of FE fails, then then I'm happy to place trust in the scientific enterprise generally.

As you should. And if the FE questions prove correct are you willing to hold the scientific community in contempt?

The way I see it is.... We all were taught that the world was round, Columbus sailed around it.... right. Then, NASA was in a space race and goes to the moon, Supposedly....Billions of dollars spent on the space race and space research....

Tonnes of pictures, stories, hero's, deaths....THEN someone asks a question..... and they all look at each other and go..... OH CRAP... how do we answer that?


Then you have to make sure that they are not in any way shape or form believable or listened to or taken seriously.... Because you have just snowed the whole world and spent billions of dollars on a scam....

 

[The Cadet]

We have known? Be honest, there is not one scientific test you can do to prove the globe, with out NASA. IF you think you do. Go put it to the FE guru's. They will scientifically shoot down your proof with state of the art technology.

...Dude, we've had this test since like 300BCE involving measuring the shadow of the sun from various points on the globe. Reproducing it today on a grander scale, we can show that the earth is an oblate spheroid. And why should we throw out the huge amounts of data NASA has to offer?

Stop defending this movement. It's nonsense. At no point can they provide a coherent model of what they consider the world to be, they have no coherent answers to basic issues like why things disappear over the horizon or how the sun is supposed to work... I am honestly at a loss. Why are you defending them? Yes, if they had the truth I suppose we'd all sit there with eggs on our faces. And if I was 2 tons heavy, had four legs, tusks, a trunk, and a prehensile wiener, I would be an elephant.

 

[durangodawood]

....Then you have to make sure....

I've said similar before here: the social engineering required to get the worlds astronomers, engineers, etc all in line is really not possible.

 

[Isaacsname]

" there is not one scientific test you can do to prove the globe "

that's a load of utter tripe, and easily proven false with just a rudimentary grasp of mathematics

 

[katerinah1947]

Basically, attacking the entire scientific community is "spouting lies lies lies" yourself. Not to mention proposing a conspiracy of so vast a scope that it's almost less plausible than flat earth itself.

Hi,

And it is attacking God, Who Told us to do science in the Bible.

Subdue the earth requires science.

To oppose science is to oppose God.

Genesis 1:28

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

You are tasked with building a runway for the Space X program that will
be used for the next space vehicle. The runway must be 5 miles long
and 500 ft wide. For safety reasons the runway must be smooth and level
so specifications call for it to be "Flat & Level" at any point measured.

To celebrate the "grand opening" you invite 1000 people from around the
world the evening before it's first use. They spread out and for fun you've
given them marbles and a level to test every aspect of the runway.

All at once they spill the marbles and confirm that the slope is perfect and
the marbles spread out evenly for everyone. "Flat and Level!" they all confirm.

You've also invited 10 scientists. They pull out their pocket laser pointers
lay them on the pavement and spend the entire celebration telling people
what idiots they all are for calling the runway flat. They show everyone
how the runway is "crowned" in both directions. They are not satisfied
until every person verbally repeats
"The runway is not flat.
The runway is not flat."

Hi,

No scientist would say the runway is crowned.

Scientists would say, yes it is flat as was requested, even with those laser pointers, as the idea was to build a flat runway for a landing craft, that would be unaffected by gravity.

Every scientist knows that the earths gravity, appears to all objects on the earth, as though the earth was a single point......almost.

Thus a flat runway is flat to gravity, which is a force. Being a force, that means any changes in the runway, increasing or decreasing that force, is not what was requested.

If the runway did result in a change in force upon a high speed landing craft, that too would have to be compensated for, by the landing craft.

Making the runway the same gravitationally, thus a crowned runway to light, removes that variable.

Scientists only in a lecture to students, might, not would react the way you proposed.

Scientists only react when the science is wrong as applied. Gravitationally flat is correct, for a gravitational item. Space Shuttles are gravitational items.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

And just in case, this will come up. Governments use science to do their part for us.

God says we are to follow what the government tells us to do.

Romans 13:1-5

If a person opposes the Government on science, then they are opposing God, there also.

LOVE,

 

[JacksBratt]

...Dude, we've had this test since like 300BCE involving measuring the shadow of the sun from various points on the globe. Reproducing it today on a grander scale, we can show that the earth is an oblate spheroid. And why should we throw out the huge amounts of data NASA has to offer?

Stop defending this movement. It's nonsense. At no point can they provide a coherent model of what they consider the world to be, they have no coherent answers to basic issues like why things disappear over the horizon or how the sun is supposed to work... I am honestly at a loss. Why are you defending them? Yes, if they had the truth I suppose we'd all sit there with eggs on our faces. And if I was 2 tons heavy, had four legs, tusks, a trunk, and a prehensile wiener, I would be an elephant.

Your getting into a whole mess of other issues. I have heard their ideas. I'm not going into it anymore. I am not a flat earth believer.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi,

And it is attacking God, Who Told us to do science in the Bible.

Subdue the earth requires science.

To oppose science is to oppose God.

Genesis 1:28

LOVE,

What if the science opposes God?

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi,

And just in case, this will come up. Governments use science to do their part for us.

God says we are to follow what the government tells us to do.

Romans 13:1-5

If a person opposes the Government on science, then they are opposing God, there also.

LOVE,

Did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego follow the government? We are to abide by the laws of the government but not if they go against God's laws. Also, it is true that the people in power are there because God has allowed them to be there as they serve and play into God's plan.

 

[katerinah1947]

What if the science opposes God?

Hi,

Science, subduing the earth, cannot oppose God as it is doing God's Will.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego follow the government? We are to abide by the laws of the government but not if they go against God's laws. Also, it is true that the people in power are there because God has allowed them to be there as they serve and play into God's plan.

Hi,

I have not looked into that, recently, do I need to do so for you?

Romans 13:1-5 is clear. If you need or want me to see if they disobeyed God by disobeying Romans 13:1-5, I will do that for you.

There is a point with illegal Governments, in which the Government was taken over and later returned to the people.

There is also the point that Governments are not run by Kings typically.

I wonder if your wishing to disallow God's Word, in Romans 13:1-5, by the exception you are saying is there, really will make not following what God says we are to do correct?

LOVE,

 

[durangodawood]

What if the science opposes God?

For example....?

 

[katerinah1947]

Did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego follow the government? We are to abide by the laws of the government but not if they go against God's laws. Also, it is true that the people in power are there because God has allowed them to be there as they serve and play into God's plan.

Hi,

So I have done some searching. Israel and Judah it seems disobeyed God for a very long time, by giving credit to man made objects for what God had done.

Repeatedly God told them that He would not hurt them if they would just tell the truth, that He is God, and not what they are saying is God.

He warned them, and Nebuchadnezzar was God's tool to kill 2/3rds of all those disobedient people, leaving only 1/3rd alive. Those were the farmers and vineyard keepers.

All had rebelled against God. Now, they are held in captivity, by Nebucadnezzer, and this was before Nebuchadnezzar, had also been humbled by God with insanity for 7 years, so He too would give credit where credit is due, thus crediting God for his own power and might and successes.

Your point seems very valid.

What is interesting is the timing. Supposedly everyone was not in compliance, admitting that God Was and Is God.

So, those three Jewish guys should not have opposed Nebuchadnezzar, if all people disobeyed God, by crediting hand made objects with being God, rather than God being God.

If all people opposed God, then the humbling by 2/3rds of them being killed, and the remaining 1/3rd being taken into captivity was already at work, in converting some of them.

However, finding that extreme exception in a world devoid of believers, and applying that to the post Jesus era, where He is always with us on earth in some fashion, or The Holy Spirit Is, hardly equates to not following the Government Laws now, as most Governments are using the laws of God, and the results of what is found out about, how God did things, from those following the Subdue the Earth Command from God, in Genesis 1:28.

LOVE,

 

[[serious]]

Hi,

No scientist would say the runway is crowned.

Scientists would say, yes it is flat as was requested, even with those laser pointers, as the idea was to build a flat runway for a landing craft, that would be unaffected by gravity.

Every scientist knows that the earths gravity, appears to all objects on the earth, as though the earth was a single point......almost.

Thus a flat runway is flat to gravity, which is a force. Being a force, that means any changes in the runway, increasing or decreasing that force, is not what was requested.

If the runway did result in a change in force upon a high speed landing craft, that too would have to be compensated for, by the landing craft.

Making the runway the same gravitationally, thus a crowned runway to light, removes that variable.

Scientists only in a lecture to students, might, not would react the way you proposed.

Scientists only react when the science is wrong as applied. Gravitationally flat is correct, for a gravitational item. Space Shuttles are gravitational items.

LOVE,

I wouldn't say it's gravitationally flat; I'd say it was level. The OP conflates two concepts. Simply noting the differences in the concepts resolves the issue. such a runway would be level, but not flat to the specified tolerances.

As a side note, the marble idea is not a terribly good way to establish level, as the smoothness or roughness of the surface can also prevent the marbles from rolling. Over 5 miles, the final slope of the runway (for a actual flat runway) would probably not be enough to get a marble to roll on a surface as rough as typical asphalt.

Thus, due to the comparatively lax tolerances used to establish levelness, it would likely be possible to create a runway that was both flat and level by these tests. Of course, if we were trying to prove the earth was level and flat to rather poor tolerances, there would be an easier way to do so.

 

[JacksBratt]

For example....?

When Joshua asked God to make the day longer and the sun stopped in the sky as did the moon.

Jesus walking on Water.

Talking snake. Talking donkey....