stuart lawrence
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Oh dear
All sin leads to death if you do not believe in Jesus/ he is your saviour from sin
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Oh dearStuart:
So you are saying the sin not unto death (in 1 John 5) is any sin that a believer does while they have a belief on Jesus?
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The only law written on stone was the TC, law you believe the christian is under unto righteousness.
Old law and NC law
Oh dear
All sin leads to death if you do not believe in Jesus/ he is your saviour from sin
You just quoted the TC/ law on stone was the ministration of death. You then said that was old law, in other words not NC law.Where is it say in Scripture New Covenant Law is abrogated in regards to it's after life dire consequences?
If maybe you can show us where not all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.
Maybe you can show us an example where Jesus or one of his followers reverses what our Lord said in Matthew 6:15. Please explain where this change in God's Word took place later.
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Already answered you. If you have a saviour from sin, if you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour, then he paid the price of your sins didn't heI am talking about the sin that does NOT lead unto death (1 John 5:17).
What is the sin that does NOT lead unto death?
It appears that you simply cannot see what this verse is saying because it conflicts with your personal belief.
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So Jason acknowledges the TC were the ministration of death. But tells us we are under a righteousness of observing this ministration of death."But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away."(2 Corinthians 3:7).
Sounds like this is the Old Testament Law (the Law of Moses) and not New Covenant Law to me.
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Already answered you. If you have a saviour from sin, if you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour, then he paid the price of your sins didn't he
If anyone sees his BROTHER.....So then in 1 John 5, why are the brethren praying so as to give LIFE to the believer who is committing a "sin not unto death"?
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So JasonSo then in 1 John 5, why are the brethren praying so as to give LIFE to the believer who is committing a "sin not unto death"?
What exactly is LIFE referring to here?
Why are they bothering to pray for this individual?
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If anyone sees his BROTHER.....
If he is a Christians brother he is obviously in a saved state isn't he!
Life in respect of overcoming the sin.
I answered your question now answer mine. Stop deflecting.We agree on the overcoming one's sin part in relation to life, but we disagree still on what a sin not unto death is. I believe 1 John 1:9 defines this.
But why call it life?
How is it life if they will forever have life no matter what they do?
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BTWWe agree on the overcoming one's sin part in relation to life, but we disagree still on what a sin not unto death is. I believe 1 John 1:9 is the sin not unto death.
But why call it life?
How is it life if they will forever have life no matter what they do?
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What about forgiven do you not understand. Your wife is a saint.Where is it say in Scripture New Covenant Law is abrogated in regards to it's after life dire consequences?
If maybe you can show us where not all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.
Maybe you can show us an example where Jesus or one of his followers reverses what our Lord said in Matthew 6:15. Please explain where this change in God's Word took place later.
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I have previously stated if an alcoholic who beats his wife, and is a habitual thief who constantly uses fouls language claims to have become a Christian, and a couple of months later nothing has changed, he proves he had dead faith. He was never truly born again in the first place
So I guess we agree.
Grace us a hard thing to understand, impossible through the human intellect.
For the whole of your life, from first to last you must live under a righteousness apart from observing the law.
The person who does this, and has asked Christ to be Lord and Saviour of their life, and in their heart truly loves God, has no need to fear warnings in scripture, or be told of the need to do works.
There is nothing more they will in their heart want to do than to please and obey God, for they live him.
For these people the power of sin is broken in their lives, for the power of sin is the law( of righteousness) 1cor15:56
The people who need to remind themselves they need to do good works are those who have not surrendered their lives to Christ and in their hearts do not truly love him above all else. And they are also the people who need to heed the warnings of scripture
Here us what the scripture says about Grace, and what grace teaches us about salvation.
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:11-14
I believe the Church has been taught some things about grace that may not be true. Teaching people that because we are under grace, that means we can sin, and there will be no consequences, when just the opposite is true, that those who are under grace, are under a stricter obligation, than those who were under the law.
- For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that:
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
- how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Grace is the Holy Spirit; The Spirit of Grace, the empowering blessing from God to us to grant us the ability to do what we can not do, without it.
Grace is the Holy Spirit, who teaches us, and comforts us, and empowers us to live in dominion over sin, and the devil.
Grace is God's power within us to live according to the Spirit, in which we practice righteousness, rather than be enslaved by the sin in our flesh.
denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.
- For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that:
- What does your grace teach you?
JLB
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Your question should be:
What IS the sin unto death, not what is not a sin unto death.
As the world's sin is unbelief in Christ( john16:9), it would stand to reason that IS the sin unto death:
If we disown him
He must disown us
If we are faithless
He remains faithful
For he cannot disown himself
2Tim2:12&13
If you disowned Christ you no longer have a saviour from your sin. You are unto death
Your last question relates to OSAS, as I have told you time and time again I dont discuss that on this website.
But in the verse you quoted, the man is referred to as a brother. A brother is part of the family isn't he.
As a courtesy to you I further responded. I will respond to no more questions until you answer mine
Exactly the same thing. You are the first person to say what I've been saying. And what the apostles are saying. Have you ever noticed Hebrew styles of writing. One is called "doubling" saying the same thing in two different ways.
Acts 4:33 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.
Grace is the power of God given to all who truly repent from sin, and turn toward Christ. (Acts 2:38) They are now dead to sin. (Romans 6:1-2), and we no longer walk in the flesh, but in the Spirit. (Romans 8:8-9)
Have you ever noticed Hebrew styles of writing. One is called "doubling" saying the same thing in two different ways.
What about forgiven do you not understand.
You said:Your wife is a saint.
I answered your question now answer mine. Stop deflecting.
Why do you insist the Christian must live under a righteousness of observing law you quote as being the ministration of death?
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