The "Donkey" In The Room

[Postvieww]

I was going to call this thread "the Elephant in the room" but since this is about the fix the Democrats find themselves in Donkey seems more appropriate.

Many Democrats want rid of Joe but find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

Just a few of the problems.

1. Any intellectually honest person has to admit Joe has some kind of cognitive issue going on.
2. The Democrats party would love to replace Joe on the ticket but admitting he is not fit to run also means he is not fit to finish the term.
3. Many Democrats are not excited about the prospect of Harris as the top of the ticket, her numbers are worse than Joe's.
4. Harris has to be on the ticket to use the Millions in the Democrat war chest.
5. The clock is running out on finding a new candidate.
6. Many Democrats are admitting Joe as a zero chance of winning.
7. Even the liberal press is turning on Joe.
8. Pierre has the most difficult job in the world, gaslighting the public on the true situation.
9. Many Democrats are waking up to the insanity and supporting Trump. Who would have thought that could happen?
10. A Parkinsons Doctor visting the White House on several occasions is not a good look. Said Doctor was a Biden donor.
11. Who is actually running the country? Advisors, Obama, Jill, or Hunter, who knows.

The Democrats put themselves in this corner with no real escape plan and are imploding as a party.

My question to Democrats is this . How do you think the party can survive this mess they find themselves in.

Please don't try to fix this by saying anyone but Trump that will not work here I guarantee it.

 

[wing2000]

I was going to call this thread "the Elephant in the room" but since this is about the fix the Democrats find themselves in Donkey seems more appropriate.

Many Democrats want rid of Joe but find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

Just a few of the problems.

1. Any intellectually honest person has to admit Joe has some kind of cognitive issue going on.
2. The Democrats party would love to replace Joe on the ticket but admitting he is not fit to run also means he is not fit to finish the term.
3. Many Democrats are not excited about the prospect of Harris as the top of the ticket, her numbers are worse than Joe's.
4. Harris has to be on the ticket to use the Millions in the Democrat war chest.
5. The clock is running out on finding a new candidate.
6. Many Democrats are admitting Joe as a zero chance of winning.
7. Even the liberal press is turning on Joe.
8. Pierre has the most difficult job in the world, gaslighting the public on the true situation.
9. Many Democrats are waking up to the insanity and supporting Trump. Who would have thought that could happen?
10. A Parkinsons Doctor visting the Whiote House on several occasions is not a good look. Said Doctor was a Biden donor.
11. Who is actually running the country? Advisors, Obama, Jill, or Hunter, who knows.

The Democrats put themselves in this corner with no real escape plan and are imploding as a party.

My question to Democrats is this . How do you think the party can survive this mess they find themselves in.

Please don't try to fix this by saying anyone but Trump that will not work here I guarantee it.

I agree with 1-7.

How will they resolve it? Pick a new candidate. There is time.....

 

[Hans Blaster]

I was going to call this thread "the Elephant in the room" but since this is about the fix the Democrats find themselves in Donkey seems more appropriate.

Many Democrats want rid of Joe but find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

I'm not a Democrat but I will only be voting for Democrats this Fall. I don't want to get rid of Biden, but if he doesn't have the capacity to do his day job (President) and run for office at the same time, or the perceptions voters who don't want Trump are hesitating due to coverage, then it is probably necessary for Biden to be replaced on the Democratic ticket.

Just a few of the problems.

1. Any intellectually honest person has to admit Joe has some kind of cognitive issue going on.

Does Joe Biden exhibit signs of aging related to his intellectual capacity: slower thinking, less control of stutter, reduced "mental stamina", yes of course. (And a fainter, raspy "old man" voice to make it seem worse). But, is there credible evidence of dimension or a cogitative issue? No.

2. The Democrats party would love to replace Joe on the ticket but admitting he is not fit to run also means he is not fit to finish the term.

Again, I'm not sure about the "love to replace" narrative, but replacing Biden does not mean he isn't fit to finish the last 6 months of his term. Running for President is a full time job. Being president is hard job in of itself. It also doesn't involved campaign rallies or debating other presidents. It is a job of reading and hearing briefings, discussing policy, and making decisions. There is nothing that shows he can't and hasn't been doing that.

3. Many Democrats are not excited about the prospect of Harris as the top of the ticket, her numbers are worse than Joe's.

Were still in the "pseudo-primary" stage (or rather the "declaring for office" stage). No "replacement candidate" has been chosen, so the various factions (as they would be in any party) are thinking they can get their guy on ticket. As for her numbers, I know of only one poll and Harris did *better* against Trump than Biden. (It was the same poll, so the same people were interviewed.)

4. Harris has to be on the ticket to use the Millions in the Democrat war chest.

That seems to be correct.

5. The clock is running out on finding a new candidate.

That seems to be the case. I don't know the precise timing, particularly on achieving a hassle free placement of the new candidate on the ballots in all 50 states.

6. Many Democrats are admitting Joe as a zero chance of winning.

"Admitting" makes it seem inevitable and imposes a "fact" that is not shown yet. I don't think it is (especially if this is overblown). There is a majority that doesn't want Trump to be president again. If Biden is in severe decline or is perceived as such people don't vote or vote third party, then he can't win.

7. Even the liberal press is turning on Joe.

Certainly parts of the MSM has their knives out. The problem with the MSM is that they have a very inflated view of themselves and think they are important to how decisions get made and who gets elected. They are over their skis and have been for a couple decades. With a little blood in the water they are swarming to demonstrate their importance.

8. Pierre has the most difficult job in the world, gaslighting the public on the true situation.

I don't pay attention to the Press Secretary or the barking dogs in the room with her.

9. Many Democrats are waking up to the insanity and supporting Trump. Who would have thought that could happen?

I have seen no Democrats supporting Trump.

10. A Parkinsons Doctor visting the White House on several occasions is not a good look. Said Doctor was a Biden donor.

It wasn't a look. He is a neurologist with a practice partly in the White House Medical Unit that treats many non-Presidents (particularly military stationed at the White House complex). Biden wasn't even at the White House for most of those visits. Bad reporting (see above).

11. Who is actually running the country? Advisors, Obama, Jill, or Hunter, who knows.

The same people that have been running it for the last 3.5 years: President Biden, the Cabinet, the WH staff, and everyone below them. There is no credible reporting of Biden not being engaged as before in running the country, or of non-staff doing government work.

The Democrats put themselves in this corner with no real escape plan and are imploding as a party.

There is very little chance that a party is going to boot an incumbent president and make it out alive, so they don't try. Not with Reagan, or Bush, or Clinton, or Obama, or Trump. So it was Biden's assessment that cause all of this. When he declared a little more than a year ago, Biden probably thought he could handle this. There is now some evidence that he can't handle both jobs -- president and candidate. The Democratic party will be fine once they sort out finally who their presidential candidate is for this election.

My question to Democrats is this . How do you think the party can survive this mess they find themselves in.

Unless President Trump plans to round up Democrats and put them in camps, the Democratic Party will be fine.

Please don't try to fix this by saying anyone but Trump that will not work here I guarantee it.

I will vote for whatever Democrat is on my ballot (Biden, Harris, or otherwise), but that's not the topic here.

 

[Yttrium]

If Biden keeps running, the Democrats will suffer a setback. But they should have no problem surviving, and I expect that after four more years of Trump they'll come back much stronger.

 

[AlexB23]

I agree with 1-7.

How will they resolve it? Pick a new candidate. There is time.....

I agree with 1-7 as well. We both think alike, brother, well 80% of the time.

Yes, there is time. Anything is possible between now and November. Heck, a giant meteor could arrive, though NASA and the ESA say that is unlikely for the next 100 years.

 

[Postvieww]

I'm not a Democrat but I will only be voting for Democrats this Fall. I don't want to get rid of Biden, but if he doesn't have the capacity to do his day job (President) and run for office at the same time, or the perceptions voters who don't want Trump are hesitating due to coverage, then it is probably necessary for Biden to be replaced on the Democratic ticket.

Joe currently (and for a while) is not able to do either much less just one of the two.

Does Joe Biden exhibit signs of aging related to his intellectual capacity: slower thinking, less control of stutter, reduced "mental stamina", yes of course. (And a fainter, raspy "old man" voice to make it seem worse). But, is there credible evidence of dimension or a cogitative issue? No.

Wow! Are you going to stand by that statement? No "credible evidence of dimension or a cogitative issue" , you are in a small minority here.

Again, I'm not sure about the "love to replace" narrative, but replacing Biden does not mean he isn't fit to finish the last 6 months of his term. Running for President is a full time job. Being president is hard job in of itself. It also doesn't involved campaign rallies or debating other presidents. It is a job of reading and hearing briefings, discussing policy, and making decisions. There is nothing that shows he can't and hasn't been doing that.

I am surprised at this defense of what is obvious to most wide awake people.

Were still in the "pseudo-primary" stage (or rather the "declaring for office" stage). No "replacement candidate" has been chosen, so the various factions (as they would be in any party) are thinking they can get their guy on ticket. As for her numbers, I know of only one poll and Harris did *better* against Trump than Biden. (It was the same poll, so the same people were interviewed.)

That seems to be correct.

Yet to be seen. Harris is no more capable of running the country than Joe although it is for different reasons

That seems to be the case. I don't know the precise timing, particularly on achieving a hassle free placement of the new candidate on the ballots in all 50 states.

This is a problem of the Democrat party's own making. Ignoring the obvious for so long while gaslighting the American public until it became too obvious to hide.

"Admitting" makes it seem inevitable and imposes a "fact" that is not shown yet. I don't think it is (especially if this is overblown). There is a majority that doesn't want Trump to be president again. If Biden is in severe decline or is perceived as such people don't vote or vote third party, then he can't win.

I can't believe you still leave the door open that Joe may not have a problem. It seems the whole world is aware of it.

Certainly parts of the MSM has their knives out. The problem with the MSM is that they have a very inflated view of themselves and think they are important to how decisions get made and who gets elected. They are over their skis and have been for a couple decades. With a little blood in the water they are swarming to demonstrate their importance.

Wow we can agree at times!

I don't pay attention to the Press Secretary or the barking dogs in the room with her.

Smart!

I have seen no Democrats supporting Trump.

Maybe I should have said FORMER Democrat voters. There are many!

It wasn't a look. He is a neurologist with a practice partly in the White House Medical Unit that treats many non-Presidents (particularly military stationed at the White House complex).

We shall see. So its is your contention that there are "many" at the White in need of Parkinsons care???

Biden wasn't even at the White House for most of those visits. Bad reporting (see above).

I'll wait for more facts on this one. I smell a rat with the official explanation. No surprise there.

The same people that have been running it for the last 3.5 years: President Biden, the Cabinet, the WH staff, and everyone below them. There is no credible reporting of Biden not being engaged as before in running the country, or of non-staff doing government work.

The question is who are those un elected people? Clearly it is not Joe. There are reports from those in the know, some afraid to be named who are alarmed at what is going on behind closed doors.

There is very little chance that a party is going to boot an incumbent president and make it out alive, so they don't try. Not with Reagan, or Bush, or Clinton, or Obama, or Trump. So it was Biden's assessment that cause all of this. When he declared a little more than a year ago, Biden probably thought he could handle this. There is now some evidence that he can't handle both jobs -- president and candidate.

No spin here! if he is not fit to run he is not fit to be there now!

The Democratic party will be fine once they sort out finally who their presidential candidate is for this election.

Depends on what you mean by fine.

Unless President Trump plans to round up Democrats and put them in camps, the Democratic Party will be fine.

Liberal propaganda. It is the Democrats who have proved to use that weapon against political opponents.

I will vote for whatever Democrat is on my ballot (Biden, Harris, or otherwise), but that's not the topic here.

Sane or not, competent or not, thanks for clarifying, we understand clearly your position.

 

[DaisyDay]

Sane or not, competent or not, thanks for clarifying, we understand clearly your position.

Biden is sane, Trump is not. Biden is competent, Trump is not. Trump is a convicted felon, Biden is not. Trump is an adjudicated sex abuser, Biden is not.

Btw, where is Melania?

 

[Postvieww]

Biden is sane, Trump is not. Biden is competent, Trump is not.

Biden maybe sane but he is absolutely suffering from some sort of cognitive problem. Even the Democrat party is realizing that, are you not?

For the record I didn't specifically say Biden or Harris were not sane. Hans made the statement he would vote for whoever the Democrats put on the ticket and did not give any qualifiers. So my comment was just tongue n cheek. If it doesn't matter who, then it doesn't matter if they are sane or even qualified. Just to clear up the confusion.

Trump is a convicted felon,

Won't last.

Biden is not.

Should not last!

Trump is an adjudicated sex abuser,

You love that word adjudicated. Can you apply that word to Hunter?

Biden is not.

Should be.

He showered inappropiatly with his daughter and has several sexually abused women accuse him.

What happen to this believe the woman movement?

Btw, where is Melania?

Let me give her a call and I will ask her?

Why don't we have a serious discussion I would be OK with that?

 

[Postvieww]

Btw, where is Melania?

Melania Trump holds "spectacular" GOP fundraiser at her NYC penthouse Thank the Lord we have found her.

 

[DaisyDay]

Melania Trump holds "spectacular" GOP fundraiser at her NYC penthouse Thank the Lord we have found her.

Oh good. I wonder how much the campaign paid her for that. Her stylist apparently gets $18,000 a month from her husband's Save America PAC - $260,000 since 2022. That's a chunk of change, but her hair always looks on flec, so...

 

[DaisyDay]

Biden maybe sane but he is absolutely suffering from some sort of cognitive problem. Even the Democrat party is realizing that, are you not?

Yeah, he's slowed down but, again, he's sane and not a malignant narcissist, so between the two, I choose him.

For the record I didn't specifically say Biden or Harris were not sane. Hans made the statement he would vote for whoever the Democrats put on the ticket and did not give any qualifiers. So my comment was just tongue n cheek. If it doesn't matter who, then it doesn't matter if they are sane or even qualified. Just to clear up the confusion.

For the record, there is credible evidence that Donald is not sane, besides being diminished cognitively.

Won't last.
Should not last!
You love that word adjudicated. Can you apply that word to Hunter?

I don't "love that word" but that is the term to describe Donald's peccadillo accurately. Whether "adjudicated" can be applied to Hunter accurately is not known to me, but he is not running for office, so harping on his troubles seems a bit beside any valid point.

Should be.
He showered inappropiatly with his daughter and has several sexually abused women accuse him.

Who besides the grifter Tara Reade? Donald had 26 women from several decades accuse him of sexual assault after he bragged about doing SA. They confirmed his own confession.

What happen to this believe the woman movement?
Let me give her a call and I will ask her?
Why don't we have a serious discussion I would be OK with that?

I am serious whether you are or not. Donald Trump cares nothing about the rule of law - except, I imagine, for the pleasure of flouting it.

 

[Richard T]

The democratic party needs to be purged. Sometimes a loss will do it. There are too many extremists that need to be cleaned out. If they do not get in touch with the American people and field good candidates then they will keep losing. In four years Trump will be gone too whether he wins or loses. His legacy will leave some impact both good and bad but in the end, America should still be here. Biden though is gone. The impairment can no longer be ignored. His recent NATO speech is just another example. Covering for him by the cabinet and family is unconstitutional and dangerous. I admit it is sad that many prefer a impaired Biden over Trump and the only reason they want him to resign is because his poll numbers are down. That is pitiful and is un-American. Trump and the GOP are not left unscrutinized and neither should the supporters of Biden. Being liberal does not give you a free pass.

 

[Postvieww]

Biden’s performance tonight did not change the American people’s concern about his cognitive abilities. This is a real problem for Democrats.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Joe currently (and for a while) is not able to do either much less just one of the two.

Wow! Are you going to stand by that statement? No "credible evidence of dimension or a cogitative issue" , you are in a small minority here.

That's right. No credible evidence of dementia or cogitative issues. He's an old man who's slowed down a bit and is having more problems with his stutter.

I am surprised at this defense of what is obvious to most wide awake people.

I'm not "woke", apparently you are.

Yet to be seen. Harris is no more capable of running the country than Joe although it is for different reasons

Yes, yes, so you claim, not any more capable than a man you think is addled and demented. Your credibility is used up.

This is a problem of the Democrat party's own making.

The what party? I don't know that party.

Ignoring the obvious for so long while gaslighting the American public until it became too obvious to hide.

I can't believe you still leave the door open that Joe may not have a problem. It seems the whole world is aware of it.

No problem that impairs his ability to do the job of president.

Wow we can agree at times!

Smart!

Maybe I should have said FORMER Democrat voters. There are many!

We shall see. So its is your contention that there are "many" at the White in need of Parkinsons care???

The man is a neurologist, not just a "Parkinson's doctor who provides services to the many people who work in the White House complex including military personnel. For several of these "8 visits in 8 months" the President wasn't even at the White House for the doctor's visit.

I'll wait for more facts on this one. I smell a rat with the official explanation. No surprise there.

You can look at the President's schedule and the visitor logs for yourself (or find an honest reporter).

The question is who are those un elected people?

The same people they are in any presidential administration. Going backward in the Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. administrations.

Clearly it is not Joe. There are reports from those in the know, some afraid to be named who are alarmed at what is going on behind closed doors.

This is just speculation and assumption

No spin here! if he is not fit to run he is not fit to be there now!

Running for office is not the same job as holding an office and takes extra time. I stand by my statement.

Depends on what you mean by fine.

That the Democratic party will continue to exist and be a major political force in the USA just as they have for almost 2 centuries.

Liberal propaganda. It is the Democrats who have proved to use that weapon against political opponents.

I was only presenting the kind of "outrageous scenario" that would destroy the Democratic party, not making any claim or prediction about the future.

Sane or not, competent or not, thanks for clarifying, we understand clearly your position.

Some of your responses have indicated that you don't fully understand what I wrote.

 

[Postvieww]

Some of your responses have indicated that you don't fully understand what I wrote.

No dementia and a flare up of a stutter is pretty clear and understandable.

 

[Postvieww]

That's right. No credible evidence of dementia or cogitative issues. He's an old man who's slowed down a bit and is having more problems with his stutter.

Calling Zelensky, Putin and Harris,Trump is not a stutter. Sorry, your assessment is what is not credible.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No dementia and a flare up of a stutter is pretty clear and understandable.

I'm glad you understand Mr. Biden now.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Calling Zelensky, Putin and Harris,Trump is not a stutter. Sorry, your assessment is what is not credible.

Noun substitution errors have been made by Biden for decades. How else do you think he got labeled a "gaffe machine" as a Senator and VP? I believe they are related to the speech impairment mechanism that triggers stuttering. I am no expert on stutters though.

 

[Postvieww]

Noun substitution errors have been made by Biden for decades. How else do you think he got labeled a "gaffe machine" as a Senator and VP? I believe they are related to the speech impairment mechanism that triggers stuttering. I am no expert on stutters though.

What I do know is that a significant number in the Democrat Party see something you do not. Time will settle this and I believe will prove your take on this issue completely wrong.

 

[Postvieww]

I'm glad you understand Mr. Biden now.

I believe I do as well as many in the Democrat Party, it is your explanation and cover for this man who absolutely has a cognitive issue that I do not understand. Time will expose the truth here.