The Doctrine of Eternal Security-Is It Biblical?

MrsSeptemberPenguin · Dec 17, 2005

Actually...Isn't blasphemy an unforgivable sin? If that's the case, God doesn't allow sin into heaven. If you leave God and deny him, then I don't really think you're going to go to heaven. If you come back to God before you die, then yeah, you probably would.

Normann · Dec 17, 2005

cygnusx1 said:
Hosea 14

4 ¶ I will heal their backslidings; I will love them freely; for My anger has turned away from him.

I'm glad you used O.T. Scripture I like the O. T. too!

Ezekiel 33:13
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

cygnusx1 · Dec 17, 2005

Normann said:
I'm glad you used O.T. Scripture I like the O. T. too!

Ezekiel 33:13
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

did King David die for adultery and murder .......... try and think of the bigger picture!

GraceInHim · Dec 17, 2005

squirrelz_15 said:
Actually...Isn't blasphemy an unforgivable sin? If that's the case, God doesn't allow sin into heaven. If you leave God and deny him, then I don't really think you're going to go to heaven. If you come back to God before you die, then yeah, you probably would.

no, blasphemy of the HS, which when Jesus said it, he talked about it to the Pharisees, because they called Jesus a Demon for removing a demon from a man... Jesus had the spirit of God within, and the Pharisees called the works of this Holy Spirit within him a demon...

all sins are forgivable....

the one I question more is when Jesus said about the children, if anyone makes any of these "little ones" sin, it would of been better to cut off his hands and place a millstone around his neck before he can enter into the Kingdom...

anyone know more about this one??????

greeker57married · Dec 17, 2005

squirrelz_15 said:
Actually...Isn't blasphemy an unforgivable sin? If that's the case, God doesn't allow sin into heaven. If you leave God and deny him, then I don't really think you're going to go to heaven. If you come back to God before you die, then yeah, you probably would.

Every sin can be forgiven except the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The is a sin of unbelief. It refers to one who has hearted his or her heart to the point they will not believe.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mar 3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:

God Bless
Greeker

Normann · Dec 17, 2005

1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Easy to understand...

Who so ever, anyone who does this, all are welcome.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16
IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

Normann · Dec 17, 2005

Hebrews 12:15
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

cygnusx1 · Dec 17, 2005

Normann said:
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Easy to understand...

Who so ever, anyone who does this, all are welcome.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16
IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

yes absolutely !!!

and now for some more simple Bible truth

Romans 3

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Normann · Dec 18, 2005

John 6:66
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

cygnusx1 · Dec 18, 2005

John 6:43,43

Jesus answered and said to them, "Stop murmuring among yourselves.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.

Normann · Dec 18, 2005

Luke 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Hebrews 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

2 Thes. 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

cygnusx1 · Dec 18, 2005

Normann said:
Luke 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Hebrews 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

2 Thes. 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

yes they have something missing .................................. a root!

cygnusx1 · Dec 18, 2005

Salvation

When the Arminian has grasped the Legal side of salvation , he will realise all Christians who are born of God's Spirit are aquitted , they are not in the place of bondage and death anymore , they have transcended both sin , The Law and death!

The Arminian arguement is not only negative ............ "hey folks you are saved but you know what , tommorrow you could be damned" some comfort for new born Christians !
it is also outside of the realms of Grace , it becomes nothing but a chore , salvation not by keeping the Mosaic law , but by turning the Gospel into another Law!
This is not new , the Socinians and Arminians fell into this trap and became introspective and morbid!
When some come to realise that salvation is not because of our performance but because of God's kindness , then some will want to live in praise and gratitude for the Lord only!
While many make salvation nothing more than a temporary experience which some insist can be picked up , lost and found and lost again then found , making it clear their very principles are out of synch with scripture!
And should some argue that with the right set of scriptures and a careful avoidance of all scripture that speaks against their position , that they have the truth , then remember all cults use the very same technique , and mark well , there is no cult in existence that holds to the Security of Salvation , not Mormon , JW , Spiritualist , Christedelphian etc ...........
why ?
Because they all have a works based mentality , and Grace means nothing to them . it is just a word , it sounds nice , but it may as well not even be in the Bible , for who would know if it was missing!!!

many may use the word Grace , but have no real understanding of what it means , and the same goes for Predestination , if it was missing from the Bible , some wouldn't shed a tear , some wouldn't even bat an eyelid , for it makes no difference to many and their philosophy whatsoever.

If the Lord is willing I will continue , but I am under no illusions , some will not change , the only thing that would make you change is if God did a mighty work in your life , I used to be a free-willer , but by Grace I came to realise that salvation is By Free-Grace .......... and I have discovered Grace Reigns!

Greetings Cygnus

greeker57married · Dec 18, 2005

cygnusx1 said:
Salvation

When the Arminian has grasped the Legal side of salvation , he will realise all Christians who are born of God's Spirit are aquitted , they are not in the place of bondage and death anymore , they have transcended both sin , The Law and death!

The Arminian arguement is not only negative ............ "hey folks you are saved but you know what , tommorrow you could be damned" some comfort for new born Christians !
it is also outside of the realms of Grace , it becomes nothing but a chore , salvation not by keeping the Mosaic law , but by turning the Gospel into another Law!
This is not new , the Socinians and Arminians fell into this trap and became introspective and morbid!
When some come to realise that salvation is not because of our performance but because of God's kindness , then some will want to live in praise and gratitude for the Lord only!
While many make salvation nothing more than a temporary experience which some insist can be picked up , lost and found and lost again then found , making it clear their very principles are out of synch with scripture!
And should some argue that with the right set of scriptures and a careful avoidance of all scripture that speaks against their position , that they have the truth , then remember all cults use the very same technique , and mark well , there is no cult in existence that holds to the Security of Salvation , not Mormon , JW , Spiritualist , Christedelphian etc ...........
why ?
Because they all have a works based mentality , and Grace means nothing to them . it is just a word , it sounds nice , but it may as well not even be in the Bible , for who would know if it was missing!!!

many may use the word Grace , but have no real understanding of what it means , and the same goes for Predestination , if it was missing from the Bible , some wouldn't shed a tear , some wouldn't even bat an eyelid , for it makes no difference to many and their philosophy whatsoever.

If the Lord is willing I will continue , but I am under no illusions , some will not change , the only thing that would make you change is if God did a mighty work in your life , I used to be a free-willer , but by Grace I came to realise that salvation is By Free-Grace .......... and I have discovered Grace Reigns!

Greetings Cygnus

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

Glory! Moreover whom he predestinated, these ones (very same ones) He also called, and whom He called, these ones (very same ones) He also justified (decared rightous) and whom He justifed: these ones (very same ones) he also glorified. This is what the Greek text is saying glory! He does it without loosing a single one praise God.

God Bless
Greeker

Normann · Dec 19, 2005

2 Peter 3:17
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

cygnusx1 · Dec 19, 2005

Normann said:
2 Peter 3:17
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Peter knew all about falling , he denied he even knew Jesus not once but THREE times , even after being warned!

Yet does that mean he lost his salvation.............. ?

No!

For Jesus has promised to all His offspring , "I will never leave you nor forsake you "

tommiegrant · Dec 19, 2005

Normann please learm the meaning of context. Then come back to make your point in an intellicually honest way. Your proof texting does nothing to make your point it only shows an ignorance of how to rightly divide the Word of Turth. Tom

Normann · Dec 19, 2005

Luke 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Acts 1:16-17
Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. [17] For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Normann

tommiegrant · Dec 20, 2005

And your point is?

Normann · Dec 20, 2005

OSAS is not taught in scripture.

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