The displaying of violence

[peter2]

Couldn't the global nowadays springings of violence be merely related too to a kind of common seeking of recognition, that would come from young (immatures ?) peoples or nations, communities, misskilfully eager to catch attention, and acquire some individual or nationwide grown-up composure ?
What's your opinion, please ?

 

[linux.poet]

It is possible, though then we have to ask what is redirecting the desire of young people for recognition toward violence and away from work, which is usually the healthy outlet for a competitive urge. Sports, including chess, are also a healthy outlet. Why skip these and choose violence instead?

Many YouTube channels I have viewed recently have expressed a cynical attitude toward work. Mostly this is is homeownership hopelessness narrative trickling down. We’re putting so much of our economic value as a nation into stuff that doesn’t even exist in real life, and we have so much stuff that we’re giving it away. This is telling young people that work is pointless, and that they are powerless to achieve any sort of recognition or achievement in the workplace. So the only way to get it is with a gun, they think.

It’s worth considering.

 

[peter2]

It is possible, though then we have to ask what is redirecting the desire of young people for recognition toward violence and away from work, which is usually the healthy outlet for a competitive urge. Sports, including chess, are also a healthy outlet. Why skip these and choose violence instead?

Hello linux poet, thank you for your answer.
Your analysis seems correct to me, your questionning relevant.
Actually, if truly, young people are the main vector of violence, i wonder wether we couldn't also think of this violence as an incapacity, into which we threw them (unemployment, or whatever else might do), to achieve something constructively. Imho, common sense is what we lack the more, even more than work, even if they are related. We shouldn't forget that we are clay or dust, as Genesis says. May be, in short, do we have forgotten God, thanksgiving, etc.. I realize it's similar to what you wrote aftewards :

Many YouTube channels I have viewed recently have expressed a cynical attitude toward work. Mostly this is is homeownership hopelessness narrative trickling down. We’re putting so much of our economic value as a nation into stuff that doesn’t even exist in real life, and we have so much stuff that we’re giving it away. This is telling young people that work is pointless, and that they are powerless to achieve any sort of recognition or achievement in the workplace.

I wonder whether it's not where petrol and uranium led mankind.
As non skeptical in climate change, i also wonder whether mankind should not turn back again to God, after this kind of "worshipping" both fossil fuel and uranium.
An excellent and sane way to recover sense
i don't want to upset you, for i saw you are in the right wing political sphere, where i incline to be myself, except that since i, from this right wing, used to find my fellow countryman from the left capricious on some issues, i have changed a little my mind, considering the one that's capricious as for the issue of energy, was me, that reproached Earth to be short of energy.

 

[linux.poet]

As non skeptical in climate change, i also wonder whether mankind should not turn back again to God, after this kind of "worshipping" both fossil fuel and uranium.

The United States worships multiple idols by default. The strength of the dollar is connected to oil and gas demand around the world, as oil and gas have to be paid for in dollars.

Meanwhile, we tend to make an idol out of computers and information systems, throwing so much of our time and attention behind technology and the entertainment it makes possible. The A.I. hype is just another example of this.

Meanwhile, the point of all of that entertainment is to prop up what a Catholic commentator I watched on YouTube calls a “sex cult” and I agree. Romantic relationships are glorified and presented as desirable. Violence and “action” is also glorified on screen. The house and car fantasy of the American Dream is to prop up both the sex and the petrodollar.

But, all of that is relatively meaningless to today’s young people. Most of them don’t have houses and if they own a car, they have a car loan on it. Yesterday’s freedom is today’s chains. They aren’t able to find someone to love them at all because they don’t earn enough money to meet the impossible financial standards of today’s women. Meaninglessness leads to depression and depression leads to violence. The less you have to live for, the more appealing it is to get out a gun and shoot everyone you know.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Couldn't the global nowadays springings of violence be merely related too to a kind of common seeking of recognition, that would come from young (immatures ?) peoples or nations, communities, misskilfully eager to catch attention, and acquire some individual or nationwide grown-up composure ?
What's your opinion, please ?

My opinion is that this is a pattern in every country that finds itself internally battling the rise of socialist/communist ideals politically.

That's why people were warning about many of the patterns they were seeing before the violence started.

That it's occuring globally might be connected to a global direction towards the socialist/communist ideals that would normally only occur in a single country in the past, now occuring more globally due to the Internet.
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[peter2]

The United States worships multiple idols by default. The strength of the dollar is connected to oil and gas demand around the world, as oil and gas have to be paid for in dollars.

Meanwhile, we tend to make an idol out of computers and information systems, throwing so much of our time and attention behind technology and the entertainment it makes possible. The A.I. hype is just another example of this.

Your observation looks sinister. It might be right

Meanwhile, the point of all of that entertainment is to prop up what a Catholic commentator I watched on YouTube calls a “sex cult” and I agree. Romantic relationships are glorified and presented as desirable. Violence and “action” is also glorified on screen. The house and car fantasy of the American Dream is to prop up both the sex and the petrodollar.

But, all of that is relatively meaningless to today’s young people. Most of them don’t have houses and if they own a car, they have a car loan on it. Yesterday’s freedom is today’s chains.

In short, you seemingly say young people have no real future, but through heritage, for the social ladder is broken. It's probably another reality as well

They aren’t able to find someone to love them at all because they don’t earn enough money to meet the impossible financial standards of today’s women. Meaninglessness leads to depression and depression leads to violence. The less you have to live for, the more appealing it is to get out a gun and shoot everyone you know.

Of course, i assume you don't mean love depends on wealth. As christians, we can think of the youth of Jesus, that was happy, however modests must have been his living conditions with his parents. (Joseph was just a carpenter). Yet, we believe the family was very loving.

 

[peter2]

My opinion is that this is a pattern in every country that finds itself internally battling the rise of socialist/communist ideals politically.

That's why people were warning about many of the patterns they were seeing before the violence started.

That it's occuring globally might be connected to a global direction towards the socialist/communist ideals that would normally only occur in a single country in the past, now occuring more globally due to the Internet.
.

Hello Hazelelponi
You also might be right
French national motto is about freedom, brotherhood and equality. The first (freedom) we have over-invested, the second (brotherhood), through the value of merit, and the third (equality) seems more communist in spirit, but was under-invested.
i think what distinguishes these 3 values is innovation, entrepreneurship, which are financially rewarded with freedom and brotherhood, and without money through brotherhood and equality.
The great question remaining for communists : how justifying raw redistribution of wealth. I think violence also comes from not finding moral justification for the "robbing Peter to pay or to give to Paul"

 

[linux.poet]

Of course, i assume you don't mean love depends on wealth.

True love doesn't. However, romantic love does, because you need to have enough money/means to have a house for your family to live safely.

Your observation looks sinister. It might be right

I live in the United States and I've spent way too much time analyzing the economic system here. It looks like it's collapsing. It's not a very productive exercise.

In short, you seemingly say young people have no real future, but through heritage, for the social ladder is broken.

Kids are living with their parents for years after they should have moved out. I'm fortunate to have the Body of Christ for social support. Others who do not have such easy social contact may end up utterly alone.

 

[peter2]

I live in the United States and I've spent way too much time analyzing the economic system here. It looks like it's collapsing. It's not a very productive exercise.

i'll give answer later, linux poet; i feel compassionate with you and your fellow countryman, for USA used to be an economic model, and may be the collapse you speak of is the more quickly as it was forefront. That must make it all the more painful

 

[peter2]

I live in the United States and I've spent way too much time analyzing the economic system here. It looks like it's collapsing. It's not a very productive exercise.

I just completed a new version of my work/hobby, that aims at finding balance for an articulated tricycle. The concept of cathedral guided my researches, as you can see on the following picture, which i hope can reach both balance and stability.
The tricycle should, i hope, perform gardening or leisuring functions.

i hope, too, this device can allow healthy competition at human scale, without fossil fuel in the equation. May be you would share this hope

 

[bèlla]

There’s a grave disconnection between reality and dreams and an inability to pivot or adapt when required to do so. The last two generations have struggled to do that. None of the issues arrived overnight and the majority could have been circumvented with honesty and prudence. Every generation has its issues but they don’t result to violence or escapism to cope. Bearing up is an integral part of adulthood. We experience disappointments and setbacks in our youth that will help us become more resilient if we learn from them.

I’d liken the expectations to a Ponzi scheme that was bound to collapse. Some were understandable like marriage and family. Others were indicative of consumerism in disguise. Financial ignorance is the norm and as is the lack of appreciation for delayed gratification. They want everything now and when you see it with wisdom you understand their folly.

Someone mentioned moving away from home. But that’s a modern construct. People didn’t do that in the past and following the crowd without questioning its logic is problematic. No one earns the bulk of their spoil in the beginning. That usually occurs at the end. It was common for adults to remain at home until they married and save while they’re there. That was the norm until modernity struck.

This is where influences come in and why the bible emphasizes the importance of counsel and planning. You need someone to challenge your ideas or point out the things you’ve missed. The majority are relying on themselves, friends or taking cues from the internet. They’re not talking to elders or others with more experience. That’s why they go awry.

The solution to what ails is facing the music and making peace with your circumstances. Then you’re ready to tackle it and make adjustments where needed. You don’t have to be fatalistic. But you have to acknowledge your hindrances and what’s required for their removal. That‘s how they’ll get beyond the sunken place and regain their balance. Only the truth sets us free.

~bella

 

[peter2]

There’s a grave disconnection between reality and dreams and an inability to pivot or adapt when required to do so. The last two generations have struggled to do that. None of the issues arrived overnight and the majority could have been circumvented with honesty and prudence

May be my struggle is not one Jesus would have dealt with.
But i try and not fall into some sort of "sinisterism". Faith helps me much, and my hope i put into Christ.. Into young people also, and elder ones too. Why would resilience be the monopole of a specific age ?
I just hope this struggle is a christian one, and that it wouldn't rival with this of Jesus for the redemption. Why not ?

 

[bèlla]

May be my struggle is not one Jesus would have dealt with.
But i try and not fall into some sort of "sinisterism". Faith helps me much, and my hope i put into Christ.. Into young people also, and elder ones too. Why would resilience be the monopole of a specific age ?
I just hope this struggle is a christian one, and that it wouldn't rival with this of Jesus for the redemption. Why not ?

Each age has its challenges. It was so in the Lord‘s time and ours as well. But the remedy is unchanged and if you’ve trusted Him stay the course.

Resilience is another word for grit and if you haven’t read the book you should. She answers your question and then some. Here’s a snippet.

Perseverance is the Muscle You Must Train

Passion provides the direction, but perseverance is the relentless engine that drives you forward, especially when things get tough.

It’s the resilience to face failure, setbacks, boredom, and criticism without giving up. It’s the commitment to finish what you start, even when motivation wanes.

Duckworth emphasizes that perseverance isn’t about never falling; it’s about getting back up every single time, learning from the stumble, and continuing with unwavering determination.

This “stick-to-it-iveness” is a skill that can be consciously developed and strengthened through practice and mindset shifts.

“The gritty individual approaches achievement as a marathon; his or her advantage is stamina.”

That takes time to cultivate but it’s a common trait in overachievers, athletes and musicians who started at an early age. The common denominator between them all is failure. They can’t hone their craft without making mistakes and trying again. Which builds up your resilience and ability to move beyond disappointments.

~bella

 

[com7fy8]

There are older people who are violent. In the United States we have had shootings by older men.

And Vladimir is not young, by now, I suppose.

And as for communism being a main item, we had Genghis Khan and Napoleon and Americans who invaded native peoples' lands and killed mothers and children, in order to take their lands. I do not know that any of these were communists.

And Adolph was not communist, nor were the Japanese.

My opinion is if people do not get what they **treasure** . . . they can do various things. Some use lying. Others use killing and destroying and terrorism. And ones can use violence as revenge for not getting what they want > when ones do not get what they **treasure**, often some pleasure . . . they can get quite desperate if their nonviolent efforts are stopped effectively.

 

[peter2]

My opinion is if people do not get what they **treasure** . . .

And ones can use violence as revenge for not getting what they want > when ones do not get what they **treasure**, often some pleasure . . . they can get quite desperate if their nonviolent efforts are stopped effectively.

i often think of Lk 12, 48. We don't know how empty or full is the level of satisfaction of evildoers. That is, the level of frustration too.
I wonder how similar will be the judgement of Heavens with this of earthly judges. i mean : it's easier to remain serene before a good steack with a full belly than with an empty one
May be dreams are not the only parameters of this equation.. The feeling of satiety too must weight on the balance