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The Difference Between Satanism and Luciferianism?

LittleLambofJesus

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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Thanks and I wish the same for you and those you love. Thanks for the conversation and I enjoyed it.
If your ever interested in deep Bible study, PM me. I do recommend this site pretty highly as his views are pretty much how I view the Bible, though I may disagree on some things. He does a good job on Translations also.

His series on the Royal Priesthood and the Book of the Life of the Lamb are very good. Peace and Love to you and yours.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/lb/LBtitle.htm
The Book of The Life of The Lamb

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW7.htm
The Lake of Fire
Thanks, but reading longer texts in English isn't my best side. ;)
Though it is interesting to read books and texts from different faiths. Sometimes I wish there were only one language.
And I also wish my faith had a text I could study. :doh:

Anyways, that you too for the conversation. It was good. =)
:( Here are 3 greek/hebrew bible sites I use to help translate the Bible.
What kind of texts are you talking about btw?

http://www.scripture4all.org/
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html
 
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Then you would "enjoy" the Book of Revelation but it uses the WHOLE BIBLE so it helps to read through it first a few times and avoide fictional "endtime books/movies" for awhile. :)

Reve 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael [Daniel 12] and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in the Heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Hmm... I don't think the Devil and Satan were the same thing as Lucifer. I think that saying that Lucifer fell from the sky is a metaphor for saying that the sun rise/morning came.
I think it was just another mistranslation from Latin bibles.
 
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All kinds of texts, belonging to a certain faith. Like the Koran (sp?) from Islam. :)
Right now I'm studying Latin so I can read a Latin bible, and a few Latin and Celtic texts from Ireland which I've found interest in.
. You may try asking on a Muslim thread about the Koran. As far as Latin, the Catholics may help you on that.
I am into Biblical Greek and Hebrew so outside of that, I can't help ya much. Sorry. :wave:
 
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. You may try asking on a Muslim thread about the Koran. As far as Latin, the Catholics may help you on that.
I am into Biblical Greek and Hebrew so outside of that, I can't help ya much. Sorry. :wave:

John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our place [topon <5117>] and nation.'

Yes I would like to talk to a Catholic in personal. Too bad, Catholicism is not common here.
I wish I knew a person from every faith in the world. :D
I'll maybe come to the Greek and Hebrew bible one day. :)
 
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You may try asking on a Muslim thread about the Koran. As far as Latin, the Catholics may help you on that.
I am into Biblical Greek and Hebrew so outside of that, I can't help ya much. Sorry. :wave:

John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our place [topon <5117>] and nation.'
Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, 8 and they did not prevail, nor was their place [topoV <5117>] found any more in the heaven; 9 and the great dragon was cast forth

Reve 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place [ topoV <5117>] was not found for them;

Yes I would like to talk to a Catholic in personal. Too bad, Catholicism is not common here.
I wish I knew a person from every faith in the world. :D
I'll maybe come to the Greek and Hebrew bible one day. :)
:) The Hebrew is a very RICH language and I love reading the Bible with an interlinear so I can look at both the Hebrew and English together.
The Bible is AWSOME!!!!

Zech 14:5 Then you shall flee [through] My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the LORD/Y@hovah My GOD/'elohiym will come, [And] all the saints with You.
ezekiel 39:13 "Indeed all the people of the Land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the Day that I am Glorified," says the 'Adonay Y@hovih. ;)
 
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Most western languages today are influenced by Latin and Greece, especially the Spanish and Italian language. :)
And of course we got some from the Arabic language too when the traders began travelling back and forth.
So you're right when saying that. :D

I learned just a few days ago that English has got alot from Swedish, and vice versa, during the 1700-1800's, when the industrial age started. :)

Actually, what's cool is that the closest living language to early English is Icelandic. I had to learn a bit of Old English when I was doing Medieval studies in college, and it's amazing how with that smattering I can look at basic Icelandic writing and get the idea of what they're talking about.

My favorite linguistic shift is how animals and their meat are called different things. The peasants - who raised the animals - spoke Old and Middle English. Thus, we have cow, pig, and chicken, which all have their roots in the Germanic English language. The aristocracy - who ate the animals - spoke Old and Middle French. Thus, the meat is beef, pork, and poultry, which have their roots in French and Latin.

If only I had the knack for linguistics my best friend has. She has a field day with this kind of thing.
 
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What are the differences between Satanism and Luciferianism?


:prayer: Cal :prayer:

As one whom has studed Satanism and Luciferianism for the last couple years, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.

Satanism and Luciferianism are often considered auxilaries of one another, some Luciferians and Satanists agree with this and don't mind beeing called either, others do care and wish for the to be seen as seperate{it depends on the individual Satanist/Luciferian, and in "some" cases a few orgs views}. Those against it are often some of the Luciferians, whom wish to seperate 'Lucifer" from "Satan"{since that the two were mixed together is a translation mistake made centuries ago with the Bible; and also because to some of them Lucifer is a more positive ideal/symbol}.
When one studied the many different sects and trains fo thought ecah of them has, one will find{in my opinion} that they are auxilaries; having some fundamental similarities and some fundamental differences as well{much like the two big brance sof Christianity, Protestantism and Catholicism do}.

The most notable differences are semantics; they both utilize both Lucifer and Satan as symbols, but the Luciferians place a greater emphasis on "Lucifer" and the traits associated semantically with this and with the myths-such as "enlightenment', "self-empowerment", "reason", and beieng a "light-bearer", Satanists place a greater emphasis on 'Satan" and the ideals semantically associated there{satan is the "adversary"}, however they both share many similar character traits, it's mainly semantics.
This and Luciferians do not bind themselves to Anton Laveys writings as much[but then again, there are a few Satanist sects that don't either].

Often Luciferians will be more open to spiritual ideas than Satanists whom more often are more focused on the carnal, but the Luciferian wil also be focused on the carnal{just not AS much so}; but then there are a few Satanist sects and trains of thought that are the same way as the Luciferians, such as the more Pantheistic "First Church of Satan" founded by former CoS{church of satan/laveyan} member John Allee{his focus is on "freethought satanism", because he saw the CoS and Laveys Satanism as abandoning it's roots for elitism,misanthropy,social darwinism,Ayn Rands Objectivism,midless selfishness/epicurean hedonism without proper balance, and a subtle authoritarian attitude} and the Deistic/Pandiestic Satanic Reds{ whom scientifically emphasis the "dark doctrines" which focuses on the "dark force" idea, Laveyans too talk about the "dark force"-but they tend to see it as a merely atheistic energy force and not rlaize that the roots of the "dark force' idea are indeed more deistic and more rooted in eastern philosophy such as the Vedas,Taoism/Daoism and others than in Western shock rock inversionism and christianity}
The FCoS, Satanic Reds, and many Luciferian orgs are more Daoist in their approach and using science,reason, and fcats they try to be a little more hednoistic in the sense of "universal hedonism"{which is a philosophy of wishing to see EVERY individual free to indulge themselves, which means also oposing many socio-poitical conditions that opress people; rather than merely ONLY looking out for number one period.}

Satanists and Luciferians both have Athiestic/Agnostics setcs and trains of thought and traditions, They both alos have more deistic ones, they both also have Pantheistic ones, polytheistic ones,and so on.

There is a common misconception that Satanists are all Laveyans and are mostly{if not completely] all Atheistic/Agnostic, and that Luciferians are those that worshop the devil and are theistic. But as I stated above this is not true. Both have different types.
As Satanism and Luciferianism are both HIGHLY individualistic, based on reason{sometimes mixed with faith, as in the case of strong atheists and theists}and personal experience, backed up by science and evidence as much as possible, it's pretty much impossible to pigeon hole them.

There's also a misconception that theistic Satanists/Luciferians worship the Christian devil{and there are smnall groups and a small minority of those out there that do this, they are for the most part rejected by ALL Satanists/Luciferians as "Christian Satanists" or "Reverse Christian devil worshippers"- even by most theistic satanists and Luciferians}, half truth at best.
Theistic Satanists/Luciferians tend to be either Pantheists or Polytheists, some might be duotheists or simple theists, but the Satan/Lucifer they worship and the devil they worship are/is more or less dissaciated from the Christian and Islamic ones{though for some, especially Polytheistic Satanists/Luciferians. the christian one may be one of the several or many in their own personal pantheon}, many Theistic Satanists/Lucifeirans and devil worshippers do not worship the christian one. Many theistic Satanists can be compared to beeing a form of "Dark Paganism" or "Dark Neo-Paganism"{"dark", not in the sens eof "evil' or "hateful" or "harmful",etc, but in a sense more like accepting that the Universe is not dualistic and neither are the gods or devils, they accept the positive and so-called negative or aspects of themselves in order to be more whole and self-aware and become more wise and mature human beeings; which is why all type sof Satanists/Luciferians take up the so-called "dark side", and "dark" often just means in the occult sense "hidden"}.

Indeed they are are very diverse, Luciferianism and Satanism. They have fundamental similarities and fundamental differences; which is why I often compare their differences or similarities as beeing like Catholicism and Protestantism in that way.

Also, some think the Luciferians to be more intellectual and cerebral, and Satanists more sense oriented; byt again, this depends on the individual and the scts or train of though/tradition.

both trace their infleunced WAY back, in some cases sharing some similar past infleunces, in other cases sharing different influences{philosophically,occulticly,historically, so on and so forth.}.
Both include variuos degrees of self-worship, some in a excessively arrogant and excessively hedonistic way, others in a lesser,more balanced way{including many Daostic type influences, amongst others} to moderate their own hedonism and ego[not deny such, just balance such}.

Here are links to Wikipedia on them both:
Satanism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism {which seems to focus mostly, if not only on the CoS/Lavey brand, whichis funny because up until recently it did'nt do this-it actually explained more diverse trains of thought; I suspect that the elitists in the CoS infiltrated it and altered it to their liking}

Luciferianism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
[and it's various sects/traditions; also includes links to some different Luciferian groups; such as the "Church of Lucifer", "The Neo-gnostic Luciferian church of Denmark", "The Ordo-Luciferi{Luciferian order} and others]

Here are links from wikipedia{and direct links to orgs} on
a couple of the specific groups or types I mentioned:
"Dark Doctrines"/"Sat/Tan Satanism"/"Satanic Reds"= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Doctrines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat/Tan_Satanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Reds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Reds

First Church of Satan{as founded by John Allee}=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Satan

Ordo Luciferi= http://www.ordo-luciferi.org/

for better understanding of theistic satanism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism
{Diane Veras theistic satanism site}= http://www.theisticsatanism.com/

Devil worship= http://www.theisticsatanism.com/geifodd/

I include the links, so intgerested parties can do their own researhc if they truly wish to understand the two and their differences{wikipedia is a good source for this, as is googling and dooing research on the net.}

It's notable to mention that some groups that split from Laveys Church and type did so because they have a more balanced and compassionate and open-minded/free-though minset{as do 'some' Luciferian groups}- John Allee's FCoS is very much about tolerance and individuality; the Satanic Reds{the main expounders of the dark doctrines, are basically Socialistic/COMMUNE-istic Libertarians in a sense, and oppose exploitation of workers and people very much. They are "social realistists"}, misanthropy,social darwininism,elitism, and a odd sense of censorship have become the mark of Laveys CoS-and many Satanists and Luciferians dislike it for this very reason{it is turning into a cult of personaity and into an somewhat authoritarian group}

Some Shared influences or traits of the two;
first traits:
-Will.
-self-betterment,self-awareness/self-knowledge and self empowerment.
-ego gratification and hedonism{ot varrying degrees and in various contexts depending on the sect/tradition and individual}.
-seeing Satan or Lucifer as a righteous rebel much akin to other such divine rebels in human myhtology- such as the humanistic Prometheus.
-knowledge and wisdom.

Influences:
-Aleister Crowley and his Thelema{magickally or occultically}
-some other famous historical occultists{suhc as John Dee, Austin Osman Spare, and many others}
-the enlightenment and it's philosophies
-Roman and greek mythology and philosophy
-Sumerian/Babylonian/Egyptian mythology.
and others.
-Many also find alot of influence and inspiation from some Daoistic schools of thought and practice, some buddhistic, some Indian//Hindu/Vedas/sanscrit stuff. depending on the individual and tradition

As for yours truly,I've studied all traditiosn to variuos degrees, and experimeted with a few. I still experient with such to some degree{in a scientific manner, just to see if there be ANY validity to ANY occult ideas; Luciferian Satanism beeing my personal favorite inspiration in terms of "symbolic" religion}.

I've personally found much to gain in diffetent ways from a few different type sof Luciferianism and Satanism, and am interested myself in "Luciferian Satanism"{in an eclectic sense}, and have drawn "some' inspiration from the parts of Laveys own anti-theistic brand of Satanism[but I despise the social darwinistic,misanthropic,elitist,heirarchal, aspects of the CoS and Laveyanism, not to mention Laveys own made up personal legendary history-I hate liars}, I identify with 'some' of Laveys "Nine Satanic Statments though"{to varrying degrees} and "some" of his "11 Satanic Rules of Earth" and most of his "Satanic Sins"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism#The_Nine_Satanic_Statements
Though some of them contain the ridiculous 'social darwinism","elitism",etc that I despise, and given the era in which Lavey wrote his Satanic Bible and founded HIS form/church of Satan{as if he had invented satanism itself, which he did'nt} he was a shock value reactionary{many deny this, but it is truth} and a bit of an inversionist.

I,however find more in common with more intellectual strains of Luciferianism{and some elements of openes to "spiritual ideas" depending on their level of scientific possibilities, I don't buy into some of the more absurd things}, plain occultism{elemets of Crowleys Thelema for one example}, and especially "dark doctrines" Satanism as explained in depth by the "Satanic Reds", their socio-political values to some degree, and their deistic take o the "dark force"{as explained in the following "9 Satanic Postulates": http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/9-sat-tan.html
in which SATAN is not derived from the hebrew but rather from two Vedantic words "SAT" and "TAN" menaing "pure existence/beeing" and "Unfolding from/becoming" respectively; and it has a very Daostic/Taoistic flavouring to it as well}. In this "Satan" is the deistic dark force; as many here know now I am a DEIST, I don't often call the Deistic first cause intelligence by anything that seems like a name-usually only by titles that describe it's function as the first cause creative intelligence, I sometimes call it "God" for conveniences/conventions sake, but "SAT/TAN-Satan" is as good a human word as any for it- as good as the human word "God". In a sense you could say I believe in the "Godevil{Goddevil/God-Devil}" or "Cosmocrator{cosmos creator/cosmos first cause intelligent creative force}. My idea of "god" fits well enough with those "satanic postulates"-hence I feel comfortable associating with them.

I like the Luciferianism, because of the emphasis of "light-bearing'{enlightenment}. and ebcause I equate Lucifer with Prometheus{ the divine fallen rebel/titan of myth whom stole fire representing progress,enlightenment,reason,etc, from the God Zeus whom I equate YhWh with, so humans could be free and enlightened rather than slaves to a God}.

Hence, I do not worship the cosmocrator{god/devil/firs cause} I just believe it exists as first cause and thatw e must live by the natura laws of it's creation and by the rationality/reason we as sentient creatures have developed.
Lucifer/Satan/Prometheus are good symbols of this.

The Baphomet{bitht eh Templars figure, and the modern goats head in a pentagram} and what it represents also symbolize these desirable traits and Cosmic Prinsiples of balance,nondualisn, and natural law.

Anyways, I hope this long essay on Satanism/Luciferianism sheds some "light" on the question fo what Satanism and Luciferianism are how they differ{or are similar}
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Thanks for reading with an open-mind ladies and gentlemen.

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thats a pretty accurate description of Levayians,Luciferians.

I am Levayian myself,for the most part however some of my own opinions differ from the Levayian ways.

Another term for Lucifer is he was once known as a Roman god,the bearer of light,the spirit of the air,the personification of enlightment.

Also another meaning for devil. Some believe that is orginated from the Indian word "devi" which means god.

Satan is more or less just to represent the carnal side of man. Which has already been explained than other sects like the Cathedral Of The Black Goat worship Satan as a being opposite and greater than the christian god.
 
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Hey Desper:wave:

In my personal research I've found that Lucifer was never a Roman god[though there are gnostics that had Lucifer has a god, many gnostic Luciferians as well as some Pagans talk of this Lucifer; the Child of Sophia, the broter,lover and in some cases son, of Diana}- I could be min-remembering a couple aspects of the above. This myth was popular amongst Italian Witches at a certain point.

Lucifer, simply put is a name derived from the Roman/Latin "Lux" and Ferre", maaning "Ligh-bearer"{Lucifer}, and was only used by their poets as a title/name for the planet Venus in it's morning{and early evening} brilliance.
To my knowledge the Romans did'nt actually deify 'him".

Satan, as per Levayan Satanism, as you pointed out is indeed base don the "semantical" meaning in the hebrew texts and on inverted north american christian moralisms{Lavey was a rwactionary, he really relied on Christianity, his ninth satanic statement especially shows this} towards pure carnalism/epicureneanism/hedonism.

Hpwever, it's interesting to ote that in his own Sata ic Bible, Lavey refers to dark force idea of Satan{the dark force in nature}. Levay had a limite dknowledge of eastern philosophy and focused mainly on western thought, he never mentioned that his Satan/dark force was actually more deistic{more precisely it would be "PanDeistic"} than atheistic. In the chapter about Satanism and God, where Lavey points out that God is just the balancing factor in nature, what can be easily derived form this is that God and Satan are two sides of the same coin, different aspcts of the one deistic creative force. When i read the Satanic Bible, I see Levays dark force as deistic/pandeistic, I suppose it Cn be seen also as a simple energy force and not a deistic creative intelligence, but the way Lavey spoek of how Satanists do believe in god just as the balancing factor suggests to me a more deistic take.

Which is interesting because Lavey actually gave an honorary membership and high title to the founder of the "Satanic Reds" Tani Jantsang, due to her clear scientific understandings of the "dark force" that he himself either never had or at least never spoke of or expounded upon; but Tani's dark force is a deistic force/principle, not atheistic. Lavey unwittingly gave credence to Deism{belief in god as first cause}, which is why it confuses to me as to why the vast majority of Levayans are not just simply atheists but actualy "strong" atheists[or what like to call "adeists"}, when their own beloved black pope was deist{and never really even knew it,LoL!!!}. whatever, to each their own I guess.
I personally have a bias though against all "strong" anything{deism,atheism,agnosticism,}as forms of faith based absolutism; which using reason and scientific facts, such surety is absurd.

Tani, unlike Lavey{whose legendary history was by and large invented} is a generational Satanist; except to be fair, her family never were to my knowledge "Satanists" per se by label, but they were followers of the dark doctrines and belivers in the dark force, wich is why Lavey honored Tani so highly for her knowledge of the dark force, the whole thing is something inately understood by her. The same is true for some other propogatotrs of the "dark doctrines".
In the dark doctrines, "Satan" is not a hebrew word based term{the adversary}, nor are the ideas based largely out of western christianity{like much of Levays purely reactionary philosophy}; rather Satan is a combo of two Vedic sanscrit words "SAT" and "TAN"-meaning "beeing" and "becoming"{or more precicely; "pure existence" and "unfolding from"}.
To be fair though, there is a little bit of reactionarionism here that I think they deny themselves, why not just be 'dark doctrinists" rather than "satanists" right? Because "Satan" is a romantically endearing patron saint as scapegoats and of enightenment and rebellion from tyranny to us westerners.
But the reliance on christianity in dark doctrimes satanism is minisucle, compared to Levays which has it's roots in mostly reactionary shock value inversionism{not "only", but "mostly"}.

Yeah, I like the word "devi", fits well with the dark doctines idea of satan. However, one wonders that if Levay knew enough to mention this, why did he not mention "SAT/beeing" and "TAN/becoming"?
As to the origin of the word "devil", to my understanding- no one is exactly clear on this; could be "devi" but it also has a few other probable sources.
And actually{correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm shooting completely in the dark on this one}-I though the indian word was actually "Diva"{an inpirationla spirit, kinda like the greek "Daimon"}?

Anyways, thanks for sharing your thoughts,insights,etc.
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Hey very_irreverand_Bill :wave:

in my own research I have actually found different websites that list Lucifer as being a Roman god but being of different categoires. One such website lists him as:

Recently a crypt has been excavated in Rome, which contains frescos of Lucifer (the Roman God of Magic and Necromancy), the remains of an underground temple of the 15th century.

Lucifer (East, Air), a Roman god, who's name is Latin and literally means, "Light Bearer" (Lux - Light and Fero - To Bear).

This is the Roman god Lucifer. He represented enlightenment and wisdom
guess its all a matter of what website your looking from. Then again its also has to be taken into consideration that the "god" they refer to may be different than the one used in a christian context. Not to say though that there aren't other possible categories or origins Lucifer may have.

I found a couple of different websites on the word "devi"
"The very word "devil" comes from the Indian devi which means "god"
"The word "Devil" is from the same root as 'Deva'..."
Vexen mistakenly believed the word Devil to mean 'Great Deceiver' in Greek, however it actually means 'God' and is derived from 'Devi'
Unfortunatly I see the word "diva" but it doesn't say what it means. I found one that said something about fallen angels but didn't go into much detail. maybe it has a masculine and feminine pronunciation? Without factual evidence I won't deny any interpretation of how the word "devil" came about. I don't know if anyone can really prove or disprove.

I'll readily say that some of Laveys teachings are outdated. However I agree with alot of his teachings but not completly and totally. Laveys teaching can be abit confusing simply because he tends to contradict/confuse his meanings here and there.

I think most Levayians refer to themselves as Satanists simply because as Levay put it in The Satanic Bible that another word could be Humanism but Humanism is not a relgion whereas using the term Satan still allows it to be a religous dogma to some extent. Also though I believe its also used to take a cheap shot at the christian society.

Not to knock on Levay but a fair amount of his teachings are also so convincing because of his background in hypnotism and such. Nonetheless though I still have to agree with alot of his teachings simply because alot of what he has to say are things on a personal level I felt before I ever knew a name existed for it.
Some of what I say may seem abit confusing on what I'm trying to say but hey I'm tired and sick and nothing better to do. :p Which these are large reason as to why I say mostly of Levayian faith but not completly. Thanks Irrev.Bill and good to have a response from someone who is pretty familiar with Levay's teachings.
*no offense to anyone.
 
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LaVeyian Satanist:
Follows the principles and teaching of Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan and presently headquartered in Calif.

"Traditional" Satanist:
Follows the principles and teachings of the Dark Lord Satan, and His various spokespersons through the ages.

LaVeyian Satanist:
Does not believe in God or Satan, or any Being of Intelligence outside of Man.

"Traditional" Satanist:
Believes In One called Satan, although not necessarily the same as the Being who is described/outlined in the Judeo-Christian Bible. See him as a Supernatural Being, beyond human reason but existent none the less, intelligent, self aware, and aware of humans.

LaVeyian Satanist:
Claim to believe that nothing is good nor evil but the indulgence in self is foremost. However, in practice, LeVayian Satanist seem to still embrace many of the taboos and moral restrictions of the Judeo-Christians

"Traditional" Satanist:
Believes nothing is "evil", that all is good as the Dark Lord sees it. Truly believe in the statement: Do what you will is the whole of the Law!
However caution that when it comes to doing anything which breaks Man's Law, one must accept total responsibility for one's own actions! If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" as the saying goes.

LaVeyian Satanist:
Believes that to want to join with a cause should only be if it benefits themselves as individuals and their organization.

"Traditional" Satanist:
Believes that a small group of individuals coming together with a common cause, and dedication to that cause, will change the world to make it a more fit place for the strong, and it is the ONLY thing that has proven to do so.

LaVeyian Satanist:
Sees themselves as Gods already.

"Traditional" Satanist:
Sees themselves as individuals who explore, examine, and use the teachings given them by the Dark Lord and implements what they deem necessary to further His cause and to develop into higher Beings.
 
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"Traditional" Satanist:
Believes nothing is "evil", that all is good as the Dark Lord sees it. Truly believe in the statement: Do what you will is the whole of the Law!

Just to clarify, the appropriation of "Do what thou wilt be the whole of the law" by Satanists really gets my goat as a Thelemite. "Do what thou wilt..." is supposed to refer to following your divine will or true self, not just doing whatever one wants. The Satanist ethic is more of a hedonistic than Thelemic outlook. Not that Thelemites can't be hedonistic, but the way the entire thing is approached is wildly different.

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what is a thelemite? i have never heard of one...

Ask a Thelemite!

It's a basic overview I wrote up. I'll answer more questions over there if you have any, so as not to completely derail this thread.
 
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Just to clarify, the appropriation of "Do what thou wilt be the whole of the law" by Satanists really gets my goat as a Thelemite. "Do what thou wilt..." is supposed to refer to following your divine will or true self, not just doing whatever one wants. The Satanist ethic is more of a hedonistic than Thelemic outlook. Not that Thelemites can't be hedonistic, but the way the entire thing is approached is wildly different.

sidhe

correct me if I'm wrong Thelamite is a religion I know very very little about. In greeting don't Thelamites say "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." and in response "Love is the law, love under will." or "93"? The Satanist basically just says "Do what thou wilt.." in reference to satisy his/her own carnal desires. Also the Satanist believes "Show love only to those deservant of such love"
 
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