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The Devil, Prison, Saints and "10 days" in Revelation 2:10

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LittleLambofJesus, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Is the 10 days in this passage a literal 10 days or symbolic of some other amount of time?
    Daniel is shown tested/tried for 10 days
    Thanks


    Revelation 2:
    9 I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty — yet thou art rich — and the blasphemy of those saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Satan.
    10 ‘Be not afraid of the things that thou art about to be suffering,
    behold! the Devil is about to cast of you to prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days;
    become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the Crown of the Life.


    10 verses use the phrase "10 days", 3 of those in Daniel.........

    "ten days"
    occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the NKJV.

    Num 11:19
    ‘You shall eat, not one day, nor two days, nor five days, nor ten days, nor twenty days,
    1Sa 25:38
    Then it happened, after about ten days, that the LORD struck Nabal, and he died.
    Neh 5:18
    Now that which was prepared daily was one ox and six choice sheep. Also fowl were prepared for me, and once every ten days an abundance of all kinds of wine. Yet in spite of this I did not demand the governor's provisions, because the bondage was heavy on this people.
    Jer 42:7
    And it happened after ten days that the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah.
    Dan 1:12

    Please test your servants for ten days, and let them give us vegetables to eat and water to drink.

    Dan 1:14
    So he consented with them in this matter, and tested them ten days.
    Dan 1:15
    And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king's delicacies.
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    Act 25:6
    and when he had remained among them more than ten days, he went down to Caesarea. And the next day, sitting on the judgment seat, he commanded Paul to be brought.
    Rev 2:10
    “Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
     
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  2. Lazarus Short

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    If we're thinking of Daniel, I was taught that a prophetic day = a literal year.
     
  3. Der Alter

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    John Gill Commentary on the Whole Bible
    and ye shall have tribulation ten days: meaning it may be the ten persecutions under the Roman emperors; the "first" was under Nero, in the year 64 or 66; the "second" was under Domitian, about the year 93; the "third" was under Trojan, in the year 104; the "fourth" was under Hadrian, in the year 125; the "fifth" was under Marcus Antoninus, in the year 151; the "sixth" was under Septimius Severus, in the year 197; the "seventh" was under Maximinus, in the years 235, 236, 237; the "eighth" was under Decius, in the year 250; the "ninth" was under Valerianus, in the year 257; and the "tenth" was under Dioclesian, in the year 303. Austin (o) reckons the ten persecutions thus: the first by Nero, the second by Domitian, the third by Trojan, the fourth by Antoninus, the fifth by Severus, the sixth by Maximus, the seventh by Decius, the eighth by Valerianus, the ninth by Aurelianus, the tenth by Dioclesian and Maximianus. Others, inasmuch as Nero's persecution was before this vision, reckon the ten persecutions thus: Domitian, Trojan, M. Antoninus, Verus and Lucius, Severus, Maximinus, Decius, Valerianus, Aurelianus, Dioclesianus, Licinius: the Dioclesian persecution lasted ten years almost throughout: and some think that this last persecution, which held ten years, is here particularly meant, and not without some good reason; since it is usual in prophetic writings, and in this book of the Revelation, to put days for years; so that these ten days may be the ten years the last persecution held, and at which time the period of this church state ended, and that of Pergamos took place,
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Thanks for posting.
    That is what I have read from a few commentaries.

    It could denote a short period of time, with the #10 denoting completeness?.

    Persecution of the Christian Jews began to occur primarily after Pentecost by the corrupt Judean religious Rulers until the destruction of Jerusalem.

    Another member had mention numbers in the Bible so I decided to look up the #10

    https://www.[bless and do not curse.../bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/10.html

    In the Bible, the number 10 is used 242 times. The designation "10th" is used 79 times. Ten is also viewed as a complete and perfect number, as is 3, 7 and 12. It is made up of 4, the number of the physical creation, and 6, the number of man. As such, 10 signifies testimony, law, responsibility and the completeness of order...................

    Matthew 24:22
    And if those days not shortened<2856>, not ever was saved all flesh.
    yet because of the chosen, shall those days shall be being shortened.
    Mark 13:20
    and if Lord not shorten the days, not ever was saved all flesh,
    but because of the chosen, whom He chooses, He shortens the days

    Revelation 6:11
    and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are being about to be killed -- even as they.
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    Some commentaries:

    Revelation 2:10 Commentaries: 'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

    Benson Commentary

    4:14. And ye shall have tribulation — Either in your own persons, or by sympathizing with your brethren; ten days — That is, a considerable time: for, as Lowman observes, It is not to be understood literally, which would have been a short time of affliction indeed, and hardly agreeable to such a description of that tribulation as this prophecy seems to have been intended to prepare the church for. Bishop Newton supposes that these ten days mean ten years, according to the usual style of prophecy; and that the persecution of Dioclesian is referred to, which lasted that time, and was the greatest persecution that the primitive church ever endured, most grievously afflicting all the Asian, and indeed all the eastern churches. This persecution, he thinks, and none of the other general persecutions, answers the character here given, none of the others lasting so long as ten years.
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    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
    ten days] 'Possibly a half proverbial expression for a short time, as we might say “a week or two.” And no doubt the notion of a short and definite time is intended: but from the important significance in this book of definite numbers, and not least of definite measures of time, it is probable that something more is intended too—whether that the persecution would last ten years, or what, it would be rash to say.
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    Meyer's NT Commentary

    Thus the ΠΕΙΡΑΣΜΌς appears not as a divine trial,[1069] but[1070] as a temptation intended on Satan’s part for their ruin,[1071] in connection with which, of course, it must be firmly maintained,[1072] that the Devil’s power is exercised only under the Divine control.[1073] Under this presumption, to the ΚΑῚ ἜΧΗΤΕ ΘΛΊΨΙΝ, which as the ΠΕΙΡΑΣΘῆΤΕ is entirely dependent on ἽΝΑ, the ἩΜΕΡῶΝ ΔΈΚΑ is added. For the Lord fixes a limit of duration to the troubles which are to come upon his believers.[1074] Only a few expositors have understood the ἩΜΕΡ. ΔΈΚΑ of ten actual days,[1075] but even these in the sense that the short period of the calamity is intended as a consolation. But the number is purely of a schematic nature,[1076] and signifies not a long[1077] but a short time.[1078] [See Note XXX., p. 156.] The entire period of the universal tribulation is schematically represented by forty-two months.[1079] The chief misinterpretations are known already by N. de Lyra: that the ten days are ten years, in which are reckoned the persecution under Domitian[1080] and that under Decius;[1081] that the ten persecutions of Christians are meant;[1082] that the ten days correspond to and signify the Ten Commandments, and that the persecution of the entire Church will continue as long as the Ten Commandments are in force, i.e., until the end of the world, etc.
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    Matthew Poole's Commentary

    And ye shall have tribulation ten days: 'interpreters are divided about these ten days, what space of time is meant by them; some think the whole time of the ten persecutions, but they lasted above two hundred years; others will have them the ten years of Trajan’s persecution, from the year 99 to 109. Others observe, that in ten days are two hundred and forty hours, which make up the number of years from 85, when the second persecution began, (under which John at this time was), to 325, when all the persecutions ceased.
    But to let these fancies go: it is either a certain number put for an uncertain; or, it signifies many days; as in Genesis 31:42, Thou hast changed my wages ten times, that is, many times; so 2 Samuel 19:43 Job 19:3. Or else it signifies a little time, as in Genesis 24:55 Amos 5:3 6:9. If we understand this epistle as only concerning the church of Smyrna at that time, it may signify a small time. If we understand it prophetically, describing the state of all churches, till the pagan persecution ceased, (which was more than two hundred and forty years), ten days signifies a long time.
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    Barnes' Notes on the Bible

    And ye shall have tribulation ten days -
    A short time; a brief period; a few days. It is possible, indeed, that this might have been literally ten days, but it is much more in accordance with the general character of this book, in regard to numbers, to suppose that the word "ten" here is used to denote a few. Compare Genesis 24:55; 1 Samuel 25:38; Daniel 1:12, Daniel 1:14.

    We are wholly ignorant how long the trial actually lasted; but the assurance was that it would not be long, and they were to allow this thought to cheer and sustain them in their sorrows. Why should not the same thought encourage us now? Affliction in this life, however severe, can be but brief; and in the hope that it will soon end, why should we not bear it without complaining or repining?
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    I don’t see any Biblical reason to think that is something else than actual ten days.
     
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  6. 2PhiloVoid

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    I guess we should also concede that it was ACTUALLY the Devil himself who showed up, introduced himself to these persons in the Church of Smyrna, and dragged those folks off to jail. Come to think of it, I didn't even know that the Devil owned his own jail. Who knew?

    Oh, the things we learn by reading the Bible! :rolleyes:

    [Don't take offense. I'm just attempting to be humorous ...]
     
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